Not saying its not, but to the degree that its being dished out its not warranted...but its Toronto.

Tree wanted Zadorov, had an offer in.

VAN traded Beuvillier and was able to be the only team to take his whole cap hit.

Chicago likely doesnt make that trade without Perrys contract being terminated.

If Alcohol didn't arrive in Canada in the 18th century then Zadorov would be a Leaf right now
- Santo_44

I think so as well as there cap are almost the same.

I think so as well as there cap are almost the same.
- dmnted

Maybe the Leafs end up with Perry and Tanev at the end of all this.

At the end of the day I really wanted Zadorov, CGY didn't want to retain and took the best offer that they didn't have to...which was poor but now the pressure is on to get more for the other big 3 UFA's.

dont want to be paying Ohtani 50MM when hes 42
- drexel

You wont have to.

But ya that would kinda suck.
Unless he helps you win a world series or two.

dont want to be paying Ohtani 50MM when hes 42
- drexel

Leafs and Jays will be rebuilding by then, we can all take a much needed break from Toronto sports.

dont want to be paying Ohtani 50MM when hes 42
- drexel

dont care
id like to see my fav team win something before I die

dont care
id like to see my fav team win something before I die
- senstroll

Weren't you around for 92 and 93?


Or 67?

Lol

dont care
id like to see my fav team win something before I die
- senstroll

Are you so young that you were not around in 92 & 93?

Welcome to As the Buzz Turns your everyday soap opera.
- dmnted

Its quite interesting trying to figure out the divisions and factions at war here. Never a dull day.

Anyway, decent game, Marney, Laggy and Wolly were very good. Two points.

Weren't you around for 92 and 93?


Or 67?

Lol
- Fakepartofme

I was around for the Jays winning, yes..but jfc thats 30 years ago.

would be nice to see one as an adult

Are you so young that you were not around in 92 & 93?
- Monkeypunk

so young lol
to remember youd have to be like 35...

I was around for the Jays winning, yes..but jfc thats 30 years ago.

would be nice to see one as an adult
- senstroll

Oh i agree.
Just kidding around.

We'll probably never see the leafs win, so here's hoping the jays can.

Oh i agree.
Just kidding around.

We'll probably never see the leafs win, so here's hoping the jays can.
- Fakepartofme

I'd take the Leafs winning over the Jays right now.

If rogers is serious and is actually willing to spend with the big boys I think the Jays have a serious shot.

One thing is for certain the jays can't come back with what they have, will never get it done.

so young lol
to remember youd have to be like 35...
- senstroll

I was 22 and 23 then, so it might be nice to see them win while I was sober.

If they could get a combo of Walker, Tanev and crash and banger top 9 forward by March I would be happy.

Not sure if Tre would want 5'11" Sean Walker though.

Not saying its not, but to the degree that its being dished out its not warranted...but its Toronto.

Tree wanted Zadorov, had an offer in.

VAN traded Beuvillier and was able to be the only team to take his whole cap hit.

Chicago likely doesnt make that trade without Perrys contract being terminated.

If Alcohol didn't arrive in Canada in the 18th century then Zadorov would be a Leaf right now
- Santo_44

Disagree. 5 regulation wins is well worth a healthy dose of criticism.

If this team had won a Cup in the past 15-20 years, let alone 56, we probably wouldn't have as many pessimistic Leafs fans. 🤷

Heading to the hammer tonight for a concert, hope the weather clears up.
Nothing worse than a wet hamiton.

Disagree. 5 regulation wins is well worth a healthy dose of criticism.

If this team had won a Cup in the past 15-20 years, let alone 56, we probably wouldn't have as many pessimistic Leafs fans. 🤷
- mjones242

They arent playing their best hockey and they are a Saturday win away from being 4 points back and a game in hand to the Bruins.

They have work to do but it is what it is, its all part of it.

If they could get a combo of Walker, Tanev and crash and banger top 9 forward by March I would be happy.

Not sure if Tre would want 5'11" Sean Walker though.
- Santo_44

Is CGY necessarily throwing in the towel? Maybe probably?

They have some cap space to work with and aren't quite out of the playoff race yet.

But maybe they do see the writing on the wall with Lindholm, Hanifin, and Tanev as UFAs at the end of the season?

Disagree. 5 regulation wins is well worth a healthy dose of criticism.

If this team had won a Cup in the past 15-20 years, let alone 56, we probably wouldn't have as many pessimistic Leafs fans. 🤷
- mjones242

Agreed.
Its a long season.....watching the leafs play makes it feel even longer lol.
Just start the playoffs already.

So if a team not named the Leafs had the number of injuries on the back end the Leafs do and had guys playing up one, 2 or maybe 3 spots higher on D than they were planned to be AND the top offensive players were sputtering a bit (minus Marner last night obviously) AND that team was still winning games would anyone be screaming about the fact those wins were not in regulation, the wrong type of way to win etc.

OR

Would people be saying "wow what an accomplishment to overcome all that adversity and win"?

Or other things like "Good teams find a way to win games, even when they perhaps don't deserve to".

(I know I've seen that one or a version of it in here many, many times).

I remember all the "regular season doesn't matter just get to the playoffs and win there" comments when the leafs were a regular season juggernaut. I guess some folks have changed their minds and decided they need to win every game, regular season or playoffs and do so the right way or the NHL will launch a 'right way win' investigation and take back points and playoff wins or something.

Me, I'm happy they won and Woll was great in OT and the shootout and seems to be progressing and learning game by game to the point where he may very well end up simply being the full time starter for the future.

Oh wait I'm hearing something in my earpiece.......yes ok - can someone please check on a certain poster and ensure he is properly hydrated and has sufficient cortisone cream as the fear is he may have 'overdone it' a bit last night after the game due to the Leaf's scoring stats and lost too many bodily fluids while also severely chaffing a specific body part.

Is CGY necessarily throwing in the towel? Maybe probably?

They have some cap space to work with and aren't quite out of the playoff race yet.

But maybe they do see the writing on the wall with Lindholm, Hanifin, and Tanev as UFAs at the end of the season?
- mjones242

They are going to trade their UFA's apparently.

If they somehow sneak in its gravy.

Tanev dove face first into another shot yesterday...he is a guy that could easily get injured and CGY end up getting nothing for him. He is likely the next UFA to get dealt.

So if a team not named the Leafs had the number of injuries on the back end the Leafs do and had guys playing up one, 2 or maybe 3 spots higher on D than they were planned to be AND the top offensive players were sputtering a bit (minus Marner last night obviously) AND that team was still winning games would anyone be screaming about the fact those wins were not in regulation, the wrong type of way to win etc.

OR

Would people be saying "wow what an accomplishment to overcome all that adversity and win"?

Or other things like "Good teams find a way to win games, even when they perhaps don't deserve to".

(I know I've seen that one or a version of it in here many, many times).

I remember all the "regular season doesn't matter just get to the playoffs and win there" comments when the leafs were a regular season juggernaut. I guess some folks have changed their minds and decided they need to win every game, regular season or playoffs and do so the right way or the NHL will launch a 'right way win' investigation and take back points and playoff wins or something.

Me, I'm happy they won and Woll was great in OT and the shootout and seems to be progressing and learning game by game to the point where he may very well end up simply being the full time starter for the future.

Oh wait I'm hearing something in my earpiece.......yes ok - can someone please check on a certain poster and ensure he is properly hydrated and has sufficient cortisone cream as the fear is he may have 'overdone it' a bit last night after the game due to the Leaf's scoring stats and lost too many bodily fluids while also severely chaffing a specific body part.
- Cush29

Yes, i was the one who was saying I don't care about the reg season results as much, its all about the playoffs for me.
Which is why i havent been freaked out about how the leafs have played and have always said to wait until at least the 20 game mark before providing a review....which i did.
But its ok to point out certain things about their game, both good and bad.
Its ok.

Woll has been great, as have willie and marner.

Any beatles fans?
I came across this, thought it was interesting and didnt know this. But im not a big beatles fan.

"Are you familiar with the song “Blackbird” by The Beatles? Most of us are, but few know the REAL meaning behind it…

Paul McCartney was visiting America. He was sitting, resting, when he heard a woman screaming. He looked up to see a Black woman being surrounded by the police. The police had her handcuffed, and were beating her.

He thought the woman had committed a terrible crime, only to find out that "the crime" she committed was to sit in a section reserved for whites.

Paul was shocked. There was no segregation in England. But, here in America, the land of freedom, this is how Blacks were being treated.

McCartney and the Beatles went back home to England, but he would remember what he saw, how he felt, the unfairness of it all.

He also remembered watching television and following the news in America, the race riots and what was happening in Little Rock, Arkansas, what was going on in the Civil Rights movement.

He saw the picture of 15-year-old Elizabeth Eckford attempt to attend classes at Little Rock Central High School as an angry mob followed her, yelling, "Drag her over this tree! Let's take care of that n**ger!'" and “Lynch her! Lynch her!” “No n**ger b*tch is going to get in our school!”

McCartney couldn't believe this was happening in America.

He thought of these women being mistreated, simply because of the color of her skin. He sat down and started writing.

Last year at a concert, he would meet two of the women who inspired him to write one of his most memorable songs, Thelma Mothershed Wair and Elizabeth Eckford, members of the Little Rock Nine (pictured here).

McCartney would tell the audience he was inspired by the courage of these women: "Way back in the Sixties, there was a lot of trouble going on over civil rights, particularly in Little Rock. We would notice this on the news back in England, so it's a really important place for us, because to me, this is where civil rights started. We would see what was going on and sympathize with the people going through those troubles, and it made me want to write a song that, if it ever got back to the people going through those troubles, it might just help them a little bit, and that's this next one."

He explained that when he started writing the song, he had in mind a Black woman, but in England, "girls" were referred to as "birds." And, so the song started:

"Blackbird singing in the dead of night
Take these broken wings and learn to fly
All your life
You were only waiting
for this moment to arise."

McCartney added that he and the Beatles cared passionately about the Civil Rights movement, "so this was really a song from me to a Black woman, experiencing these problems in the States: ‘Let me encourage you to keep trying, to keep your faith, there is hope.’

"Blackbird singing in the dead of night
Take these sunken eyes and learn to see
All your life
You were only waiting
for this moment to be free.""

Yes, i was the one who was saying I don't care about the reg season results as much, its all about the playoffs for me.
Which is why i havent been freaked out about how the leafs have played and have always said to wait until at least the 20 game mark before providing a review....which i did.
But its ok to point out certain things about their game, both good and bad.
Its ok.

Woll has been great, as have willie and marner.
- Fakepartofme

I never said it wasn't, but what I am saying is that when it is the immediate 'but" (i.e. sure they won but....) every single game regardless of the outcome it's a bit m'eh and sounds like something Eyor would say IMO.

Guess it's just the way different people look at things, I prefer a balanced view of both the good and bad but if the outcome is positive IMO the good MUST have been better than the bad 99% of the time. Even if that good is being "outgoalied" and it's our goalie who does it to another team.

That 'being outgoalied' is another thing I seem to recall reading in here a time or two and the Leafs were bad for letting it happen and the other team good. Maybe I'm just remembering it wrong though.

Happy Fishbowl Mitch Friday everyone (he's never allowed to go back to a half visor now).

So if a team not named the Leafs had the number of injuries on the back end the Leafs do and had guys playing up one, 2 or maybe 3 spots higher on D than they were planned to be AND the top offensive players were sputtering a bit (minus Marner last night obviously) AND that team was still winning games would anyone be screaming about the fact those wins were not in regulation, the wrong type of way to win etc.

OR

Would people be saying "wow what an accomplishment to overcome all that adversity and win"?

Or other things like "Good teams find a way to win games, even when they perhaps don't deserve to".

(I know I've seen that one or a version of it in here many, many times).

I remember all the "regular season doesn't matter just get to the playoffs and win there" comments when the leafs were a regular season juggernaut. I guess some folks have changed their minds and decided they need to win every game, regular season or playoffs and do so the right way or the NHL will launch a 'right way win' investigation and take back points and playoff wins or something.

Me, I'm happy they won and Woll was great in OT and the shootout and seems to be progressing and learning game by game to the point where he may very well end up simply being the full time starter for the future.

Oh wait I'm hearing something in my earpiece.......yes ok - can someone please check on a certain poster and ensure he is properly hydrated and has sufficient cortisone cream as the fear is he may have 'overdone it' a bit last night after the game due to the Leaf's scoring stats and lost too many bodily fluids while also severely chaffing a specific body part.
- Cush29

Dude, you can't conflate EVERY critical post like that.

Jesus, yes good teams find ways to win....Leafs are not playing like a "good" team. Every once and a while use the eye test Cush.

The way the Leafs are playing now is the same as they play in the playoffs: sloppy and disinterested.

This isn't "a good team finding ways to win" through adversity, this is a lazy team playing lazy getting lucky as they have for years. This is the EXACT problem some of us have with the team. The Leafs have no identity except for the Core 4 showing up when they want to, and that's not every night. Last night it was Marner's night. The night before it was (frank)ing Noah Gregor winning the game for them.

Thank (frank) for Woll right now. He's getting it done for them.


4 Leafs problems that make them NOT a good team:

1. Inconsistent lazy play by stars making $10-13M a year. These guys show up when they want. More concerned with their pre-game outfit than their play on the ice. Maybe players that have been outstanding their whole lives aren't good when it's time to get down and dirty. Maybe players like the Thachuks, who are a little less talented but a lot more hungry, are the types the Leafs are missing. Hence no identity.

2. Bad coaching. Motivating the line up to show up, nope. 4th line usage, dumb. Line match ups in general, dumb. Player usage, dumb. Systems and style of play, yuck.

3, Imbalance in the roster...aka weak defense, or defensemen playing above their skill injuries or not...since we watched (frank)ing Holl as a #4 for years... it's not limited to this year and a few injuries, but no Cap to fix this obviously.

4. Scraps for a bottom 6, but no Cap to fix this obviously. Makes scoring depth almost impossible when the Core 4 decide to glide all night.

So when people criticize this team it's usually justified by one or all of the above. It's sure as poop not unwarranted.

The Leafs are not a really a good team finding a way to win. They are a team with some really (frank)ing talented stars and a bunch of OTHER guys that get really (frank)ing lucky to win with their lazy play. The same lazy play that bites them in the ass every year in the playoffs.

There is work to be done. IMHO.

Period.

Edit: when most people say that they don't care about the regular season, it's only because they expect this lazy play during the season, hope it gets fixed but expect it, but then know there is enough talent to get lucky and make the playoffs....we all just hope they show the (frank) up for the more important games. Haven't quite done that yet either.