NHL subreddit full on boner for Torts and the Farabee benching.

It’s important to monitor the temperature outside the hockeybuzz bubble. Tortorella is gonna have a lot of sticking power in the organization and it’s going to be long and painful until he is outta here. Management has a lot to hang their hat on so far.

Flyers once again find themselves in the worst position possible. They just can’t help themselves.

If Hathaway gets suspended for that hit they need to break off their contract with ESPN and shut the league down tomorrow! The NHLPA should go on strike in protest. That was solely on the linesman for not blowing his whistle. He actually did it again later in the game. Hathaway was just playing to the whistle and finishing his check. Yeah, it was a hard check, but he didn't check him into the boards, so a 5 minute boarding call is ridiculous. The other reason the hit looked bad was because Hughes let up thinking the play was going to be called on the icing. Torts should have deked the ref!!
- Phillywhiteout

It's already been announced that Smith has a hearing with player safety for the slash on Konecny. If Hathaway was going to get punished for that. I would think we would know already.

Was it the failed pinch or the lack of hustle back?
- aightwebang17

I think it was the failed pinch. Tortorella said after the game last night, before being asked specifically about Farabee, that it wasn't backchecking per se he didn't like last night in the first period.

Then you have to go back to the Rangers game on Black Friday and what had Torts so ticked off that afternoon: over-aggressive plays when they didn't have puck possession up ice turning into odd-man rushes and goals against. A combination of poor support up high and a too-casual backcheck served to get Tippett benched most of the second period that game.

Defensive responsibilities and risk/reward up ice were a main focus and adjustment made the next night against the Islanders. Last night, Farabee saw that Sanheim had pinched in and, rather than supporting the vacant point, came halfway down to the boards and got walked. Then was way behind the counterattack in backchecking.


So Torts escalated it: Tippett sat a period last Friday. Farabee sat the rest of the game last night.

I don't know for a fact that's why. But it would seem at least a somewhat logical progression.

NHL subreddit full on boner for Torts and the Farabee benching.

It’s important to monitor the temperature outside the hockeybuzz bubble. Tortorella is gonna have a lot of sticking power in the organization and it’s going to be long and painful until he is outta here. Management has a lot to hang their hat on so far.

Flyers once again find themselves in the worst position possible. They just can’t help themselves.
- StepfordSam

I think you could have probably sat either York or Sanheim last night. Although I loved York on the power play last night. Major improvement, even if they didn’t score.

One thing I’ve also noticed about Frost’s game that I really like. If the play in the offensive zone goes to the left side, he’ll set up a screen in front of the goalie. When the puck comes back to the left half wall he’ll set up and make plays. I like that he’s going to thr net more.

I think it was the failed pinch. Tortorella said after the game last night, before being asked specifically about Farabee, that it wasn't backchecking per se he didn't like last night in the first period.

Then you have to go back to the Rangers game on Black Friday and what had Torts so ticked off that afternoon: over-aggressive plays when they didn't have puck possession up ice turning into odd-man rushes and goals against. A combination of poor support up high and a too-casual backcheck served to get Tippett benched most of the second period that game.

Defensive responsibilities and risk/reward up ice were a main focus and adjustment made the next night against the Islanders. Last night, Farabee saw that Sanheim had pinched in and, rather than supporting the vacant point, came halfway down to the boards and got walked. Then was way behind the counterattack in backchecking.


So Torts escalated it: Tippett sat a period last Friday. Farabee sat the rest of the game last night.

I don't know for a fact that's why. But it would seem at least a somewhat logical progression.
- bmeltzer

Rather than continue to coach and use it as a teaching moment. Bench the player who has arguably been the teams best forward this season. For one mistake. Is that what a quality modern day NHL coach does. I'll echo what Tomahawk posted last night. When all you have is a hammer, you see everything as a nail.

I think you could have probably sat either York or Sanheim last night. Although I loved York on the power play last night. Major improvement, even if they didn’t score.

One thing I’ve also noticed about Frost’s game that I really like. If the play in the offensive zone goes to the left side, he’ll set up a screen in front of the goalie. When the puck comes back to the left half wall he’ll set up and make plays. I like that he’s going to thr net more.
- roenick97

I thought York was really good last night

NHL subreddit full on boner for Torts and the Farabee benching.

It’s important to monitor the temperature outside the hockeybuzz bubble. Tortorella is gonna have a lot of sticking power in the organization and it’s going to be long and painful until he is outta here. Management has a lot to hang their hat on so far.

Flyers once again find themselves in the worst position possible. They just can’t help themselves.
- StepfordSam

It’s amazing isn’t it

Last night’s game was an eye-opener. It’s 2 1/2 hours of my life I’ll never get back. This team is the epitome of mediocrity. Does not have elite talent to consistently win against teams with elite talent. Is not so bad that it’s a legitimate bottom feeder who can grab a Jack Hughes in the drafts. Has a coach who sends kids to bed without supper for not listening. Coddles his favorite sons. Has a limp front office that seems invisible and clueless as to how to build a franchise in 2023. Doesn’t seem to realize that building a culture can actually happen at the same time you build a franchise to be a winner in the future. In other words, if Vegas is the Beatles and Arizona is Hanson, the Flyers are the Maroon Five of the NHL. They are uninspiring. Somewhat entertaining. Plain vanilla. And really just meh on every level.

And when I say “eye opener” I mean whatever orange colored glasses I had remaining are now off. I tried to be positive with the new management and the rebuild, despite many of you telling me “there is no rebuild”. You were all right I was was wrong. I’m about as apathetic now as I was before Fletcher got canned.
- mikeyo27

Before you hold to that position, adrift in ennui, consider this.
"...you can begin to see the trends when looking at how many goals the Flyers have scored and given up between this season and last. The team gave up 56 more goals than they scored last year (220 GF/256 GA) while they have scored two more than their opponents this season (64 GF/62 GA). They are also on pace to score more and give up less per game as well. As of right they, they are giving up 2.82 goals per game versus the 3.37 from last year. There’s still 60 more games to go, but it’s an early indication that things are clicking."
https://broadstreetbuzz.c...yers-style-geared-future/

Some of the math and writing needs to be checked but not all of it. Essentially, it may not be in the cards for us to whip up on the league, now. But incremental improvements are being made and it seems to be a consistent pattern.
Why ladle on the despair when the sun is coming up?

The Boston Beanies set the record last year for the regular season and then shat the bed. 90 MPH into a bridge abutment. A season of riotous success followed by musicians playing on the deck as your team sunk (slunk?) out of sight.
In a statistically driven Universe, it's rare to get 'it all'.

I don't expect this to cheer you. But the holidays will be better when you present a smile if this team is mentioned.

I thought York was really good last night
- ClaudeFather

York made a bad pinch on one of the goals against last night. Overall I think that York's play has been steadily improving and trending in the right direction.

Excuse me but I will not tolerate the Hanson slander. MmmmBop is a banger and beats anything Adam Levine and Maroon 5 crapped out in their career.

I will die on this hill.
- StepfordSam

I now have that banger MMMMMMMMMMMMb0p stuck in my head

The incompetence of the refs on the ice is supposed to be tempered by the folks in Toronto.
It's why we wait for their august decisions.
I await further 'justice' delivered to Hathaway via fines.
Maybe a suspension?
I think that the Dweebs didn't score because they have a better sense of 'fairness' than the refs.
They wouldn't have been able to sleep from the guilt.
That the coach, down a player, sawed at his own neck by benching Farabee, that is some seriously messed up psychological manifesting of self-harm.
I recommend a few days at the clinic until he is stable.
- Pompous

Same coach iced a line up with 5 Defensemen last season cause he was upset with Tony Angelo

watching today

Cam helped the PP, it is more than obvious the PP is much better with Frost on it. Cam A looked a little better but still fighting it, same with Laughton, Tip looked like himself again. Hope all 3 can figure it out.

watching today

Cam helped the PP, it is more than obvious the PP is much better with Frost on it. Cam A looked a little better but still fighting it, same with Laughton, Tip looked like himself again. Hope all 3 can figure it out.
- wcorvette

Creative offensive players help improve the powerplay? No way!

Creative offensive players help improve the powerplay? No way!
- mickel25

He's a huge part of the future of this team. Which is why in the first 20 games of the season he only played 50% of the games. The future is in the future I guess.

I don't spend a lot of time 'chatting'. I do feel (damned if I know!) that two things seem to trouble many here.
Torts is a Richard.
The team isn't composed of anything but the most studly of players.
So we get a lot of comments about this, endless, bottomless carping.
A coach has a limited arsenal to deploy against, literally, the world. Those implements are confined to applicable situations.
In a game, his hammer is benching. Torts is not intimidated by players and he wants them to know they will be spanked if they act up or out. He isn't happy when this public dressing happens. Dad's mad and here's a slap on your ass. 'Don't make me do this again!'
This wasn't maybe the best time to punish Farabee but since 'I DO NOT KNOW' the entire scenario, all I do know is that Torts was VERY unhappy.
As to management, this is all timing and timing takes time. Have a beer, take a nap, do the Rumplestiltskin, set the alarm for PO alerts, and upon awakening, you can kvetch. (Talk about hammers!) Add efficiency to the issuing of POVs!

I don't spend a lot of time 'chatting'. I do feel (damned if I know!) that two things seem to trouble many here.
Torts is a Richard.
The team isn't composed of anything but the most studly of players.
So we get a lot of comments about this, endless, bottomless carping.
A coach has a limited arsenal to deploy against, literally, the world. Those implements are confined to applicable situations.
In a game, his hammer is benching. Torts is not intimidated by players and he wants them to know they will be spanked if they act up or out. He isn't happy when this public dressing happens. Dad's mad and here's a slap on your ass. 'Don't make me do this again!'
This wasn't maybe the best time to punish Farabee but since 'I DO NOT KNOW' the entire scenario, all I do know is that Torts was VERY unhappy.
As to management, this is all timing and timing takes time. Have a beer, take a nap, do the Rumplestiltskin, set the alarm for PO alerts, and upon awakening, you can kvetch. (Talk about hammers!) Add efficiency to the issuing of POVs!
- Pompous

We have enough information within the scenario to know and form an opinion. Tortorella used Farabee as an example. It is the only explanation. He used a player who has been playing very well and a player who played his heart out all last season despite not being at 100% physically. Is that how you treat that kind of player? That's accountability?

done the 3rd, wow, the slash on TK, how in the fxck do they make the call on Hathaway and not give a 5 to Smith. The refs were a huge part of the game.


Good for the Flyers, played hard, Hart was the star but they Flyers do have some talent. Ego boy deploys Foerster the right way, he has been ok with Brink, why he does the other shxt is beyond me.

Hart, I know the Flyers don't have a lot of high end talent, but Hart could be, feels like he has taken another step forward and is playing like a vet. Having a top goalie is a piece a lot of teams try to find.

There are parts to this team, when they hit their prime will be really good players. I can see why Torts said what he said about MM and Cutter getting here. If they can hit this draft, pull two gems, they have 2 firsts and 2 seconds, they have the assets to move up in the draft. If they get a surprise in the system, say Tuomaala is close to a B Point, you really could have something


I said this for the last few years, D hit their prime 27ish, Sanheim is a good example, finally gained weight and is entering his prime.

Players not yet in their prime

Tip, Farabee, Frost, York, Foerster, Brink, Zam and Hart, they should all be getting better. You have potential on the farm. Lots of ways to grow, lots of assets to deal and fill positions of need.

Torts is going Torts, hope it doesnt leave a permanent mark, but he does have the team playing hard, he does preach to play fast and take risks. I do believe he has an eye to the future but man his EGO is or could be a real issue.

I thought York was really good last night
- ClaudeFather

I haven’t liked our top pair in over a week. That’s just me. I don’t know if it’s strictly on York, strictly on Sanheim or a mix of both. As of late, the top pair isn’t doing it for me. I do like the clear difference York made on the power play last night.

Rather than continue to coach and use it as a teaching moment. Bench the player who has arguably been the teams best forward this season. For one mistake. Is that what a quality modern day NHL coach does. I'll echo what Tomahawk posted last night. When all you have is a hammer, you see everything as a nail.
- MJL

As Bill said before... Torts is not a teaching coach. He fancies himself as one, but he's simply not. He doesn't have the stomach, patience and empathy for it.

Guy is just a taskmaster with a paddle.

Torts is going Torts, hope it doesnt leave a permanent mark, but he does have the team playing hard, he does preach to play fast and take risks. I do believe he has an eye to the future but man his EGO is or could be a real issue.
- wcorvette

The issue is that Tortorella doesn't know how to coach fast play. Doesn't know how to coach elite talent. Truth is he doesn't really like elite offensive players who free-lance. He wants just enough offense and a team full of grinder, bangers and checkers. His recent comments on the PP. He let's Rocky handle it. Unless it's an effort issue then he'll step in. He doesn't know how to coach the PP. He has reached the limits of his coaching ability. The only tool in his bag is a hammer. Tomahawk posted a youtube video of Martin St. Louis talking about how offense is created. It was enlightening.

The issue is that Tortorella doesn't know how to coach fast play. Doesn't know how to coach elite talent. Truth is he doesn't really like elite offensive players who free-lance. He wants just enough offense and a team full of grinder, bangers and checkers. His recent comments on the PP. He let's Rocky handle it. Unless it's an effort issue then he'll step in. He doesn't know how to coach the PP. He has reached the limits of his coaching ability. The only tool in his bag is a hammer. Tomahawk posted a youtube video of Martin St. Louis talking about how offense is created. It was enlightening.
- MJL

Torts has said numerous times that he knows nothing about offense.

Tomahawk posted a youtube video of Martin St. Louis talking about how offense is created. It was enlightening.
- MJL

Really encourage everybody to watch it:



A bit long-ish but just listen to the way he breaks down the offensive side of the puck. If I were Morgan Frost, Owen Tippett or Cam York... how valuable would it be to have a guy like that coaching me instead of being stuck getting paddled by the Coach That Time Forgot.

Was noticing at one point last night, with Flyers scoring chances few and far between, the the ones we did have Frost and to a lesser extent Brink were involved. But sure, sit them in the press box Ayatortollah

Torts couldn't convince me water is wet.

"We owe it to ourselves to win"......except when you do something I didn't like. Then f@ck you.

How do you play under a guy like that knowing your one hiccup away from being benched/scratched?

Was noticing at one point last night, with Flyers scoring chances few and far between, the the ones we did have Frost and to a lesser extent Brink were involved. But sure, sit them in the press box Ayatortollah
- backfire

The Flyers generated an equal number of scoring chances to match the Devils at 5 on 5. They just don't have the skill that the Devils have. Overall though, I was not impressed by the Devils. They're not as good as they were last year in my opinion. I know Hamilton was out and that's a big loss. I just didn't like the structure of their game.