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Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Dec 5 @ 12:06 PM ET
I'm curious why he traded for Beauvillier 1 year deal instead of Garland 3 year deal. Still wants the salary cap flexibility? Why, he must have some kind of plan. There's always a playbook to rebuilding. Next couple of years will be interesting. Maybe Beau is his kind of player? We'll see.

Does anyone think Vlasic performance is affected by losing? No one likes it but he's going in doing his job better than the other 5 on any given night. Losing sucks for sure but just like winning games, it all hinges on each individual player doing their own job better or as well as their opponent.

- BetweenTheDots


Price/performance. Probably didn’t want to give up the assets required to get Garland.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Dec 5 @ 12:10 PM ET
The only reason it goes up $4M in this economy is because they want teams out of cap hell and the escrow will go up as well.
- rpeters01


They don't just pick a number and it goes up because the revenue goes up and the whole covid mess with the players and the owners was paid up. IMO, the current economy doesn't hold the revenue back unless there aren't enough people that can afford to support the league. As long as people are buying tickets, etc the rising costs of those tickets will continues to keep the revenue increasing.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Dec 5 @ 12:11 PM ET
I was interested in the Beauvillier pick up as well. Technically a top six-type talent in theory. I’d like to see more of these types actually.
- Chunk

He is on the Hawks. When I say they should get a couple of top six players for next year, this is what I’m referring to, middle six on decent teams, but top six on the Hawks.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 5 @ 12:12 PM ET
I was interested in the Beauvillier pick up as well. Technically a top six-type talent in theory. I’d like to see more of these types actually.
- Chunk


Eh, let's not get too excited about Beauvillier being a top 6 type. Or the equivalent of the Patrick Sharp acquisition as others have mentioned. The guy has 237 points in 513 career games and a high of 39 points in a season.

On second thought, maybe he qualifies as top 6 on this team, but I don't think he is part of a long term solution.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Dec 5 @ 12:15 PM ET
They don't just pick a number and it goes up because the revenue goes up and the whole covid mess with the players and the owners was paid up. IMO, the current economy doesn't hold the revenue back unless there aren't enough people that can afford to support the league. As long as people are buying tickets, etc the rising costs of those tickets will continues to keep the revenue increasing.
- breadbag

If that's the case the players should be seeing a negative escrow right now. I'll believe $4M when I see it. We get these cap proclamations all the time then they don't follow through.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Dec 5 @ 12:19 PM ET
Pierre Lebrun reporting that word coming out of the Board of Governors meeting is that the cap will go up around 4.2M next season to 87.7M. That means the floor will go up correspondingly, putting that close to 66M. KD will have to spend about 30M to get to the floor.

There are nine players with contracts for next year. A lot of RFA's to sign - Vlasic, Reichel, Phillips, Entwistle, Gutman, R. Johnson, Raddysh, Katchouk, Roos, but aside from Vlasic and maybe Phillips, who's going to get more than 1 to 2M?

A veteran goalie at a few million will be needed. Even with these contracts and maybe a rookie or two like Nazar on an ELC, there would still be about 6-8M just to reach the floor and a few roster spots available to sign or obtain some decent forward help.

- boilermaker100


I wonder two if any of that extra space will be eaten up by more short term dead cap. We have almost 5 million in dead cap space freeing up from this year to next. We could see Kyle take on a bit more short term cap pain for other teams in deals.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Dec 5 @ 12:33 PM ET
Eh, let's not get too excited about Beauvillier being a top 6 type. Or the equivalent of the Patrick Sharp acquisition as others have mentioned. The guy has 237 points in 513 career games and a high of 39 points in a season.

On second thought, maybe he qualifies as top 6 on this team, but I don't think he is part of a long term solution.

- boilermaker100


I would be way more concerned if we were looking at challenging for the SC. He's going to have to spend money, he has many routes to go. The flexibility he has is great. I wonder if maybe Teuvo gets a 3-4 year deal but for more than market value? You could put any player that makes it to FA in this category.

All this talk about being non competitive and what not wont matter when they start drafting and we have a top 4 pick. Possibly 1, 2 or 3rd over all.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Dec 5 @ 12:34 PM ET
If that's the case the players should be seeing a negative escrow right now. I'll believe $4M when I see it. We get these cap proclamations all the time then they don't follow through.
- rpeters01


Which one didn't they follow through on? I think the 4 million they are talking about are kind of in line with what was speculated by the league almost a year ago. I think the prediction was "between $87.5 million and $88 million in 2024-25"

I believe the current CBA had temporarily high escrow to pay off the pandemic losses but that it was contractually dropping each season in the CBA.

Escrow was 20% in 20-21, reduced to 17.2% in 21-22, 10% in 22-23, and is supposed to be only 6% this year, next year and the year after that, according to the CBA extension.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Dec 5 @ 12:37 PM ET
Which one didn't they follow through on? I think the 4 million they are talking about are kind of in line with what was speculated by the league almost a year ago. I think the prediction was "between $87.5 million and $88 million in 2024-25"

I believe the current CBA had temporarily high escrow to pay off the pandemic losses but that it was contractually dropping each season in the CBA.

Escrow was 20% in 20-21, reduced to 17.2% in 21-22, 10% in 22-23, and is supposed to be only 6% this year, next year and the year after that, according to the CBA extension.

- breadbag


Capfriendly projected that last year, they are projecting it will go up to $92 mil the following year. We'll see.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Dec 5 @ 12:42 PM ET
My biggest concern with the Hawks has nothing to do with the on ice product this year. My concern is when the Hawks ice a competitive lineup, and they will, how is the Jones contract going to (frank) up the salary cap, the on ice talent and possibly the team chemistry?
- paulr


It is interesting that people are concerned about an issue that won't be on the radar for 4 years. I'm interested in whether LR can pull the team together tonight before he veers into JC territory.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Dec 5 @ 12:42 PM ET
I'm curious why he traded for Beauvillier 1 year deal instead of Garland 3 year deal. Still wants the salary cap flexibility? Why, he must have some kind of plan. There's always a playbook to rebuilding. Next couple of years will be interesting. Maybe Beau is his kind of player? We'll see.

Does anyone think Vlasic performance is affected by losing? No one likes it but he's going in doing his job better than the other 5 on any given night. Losing sucks for sure but just like winning games, it all hinges on each individual player doing their own job better or as well as their opponent.

- BetweenTheDots

First off. Rick Tocchett has some very good other forwards on his club who are better than Beauvillier and Garland. He probably would have been very happy to lose both of them gonzo because neither one plays the heavier type of game he likes and knows will be required to compete with Vegas or the Kings in any playoff series.

So the Canucks got lucky when Hall got hurt and KD needed a forward. Instead of attaching a sweetener (draft pick or salary retention) to entice the Hawks to take Beauvillier, they got a 5th in return. Hockey trade.

Connor Garland isn't much and nobody is eating about $12M of his contract. At least the other guy might have some offence and if he doesn't pan out the Hawks let him walk at year end or trade him at the deadline for a 5th.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Dec 5 @ 12:44 PM ET
Eh, let's not get too excited about Beauvillier being a top 6 type. Or the equivalent of the Patrick Sharp acquisition as others have mentioned. The guy has 237 points in 513 career games and a high of 39 points in a season.

On second thought, maybe he qualifies as top 6 on this team, but I don't think he is part of a long term solution.

- boilermaker100


Come on Boiler, I qualified the hell out of that statement. 🤣🤣

He’s got skill and draft pedigree (for whatever that’s worth). He also seemed not completely out of place with Bedard. I’ll take it right now.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 5 @ 12:52 PM ET
Come on Boiler, I qualified the hell out of that statement. 🤣🤣

He’s got skill and draft pedigree (for whatever that’s worth). He also seemed not completely out of place with Bedard. I’ll take it right now.

- Chunk


No problem. Maybe he'll be a pleasant surprise. Hopefully that visa issue will be settled soon and we can see what he can bring.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 5 @ 1:10 PM ET
First off. Rick Tocchett has some very good other forwards on his club who are better than Beauvillier and Garland. He probably would have been very happy to lose both of them gonzo because neither one plays the heavier type of game he likes and knows will be required to compete with Vegas or the Kings in any playoff series.

So the Canucks got lucky when Hall got hurt and KD needed a forward. Instead of attaching a sweetener (draft pick or salary retention) to entice the Hawks to take Beauvillier, they got a 5th in return. Hockey trade.

Connor Garland isn't much and nobody is eating about $12M of his contract. At least the other guy might have some offence and if he doesn't pan out the Hawks let him walk at year end or truade him at the deadline for a 5th.

- RickJ


I remember all the made up trade talk about obtaining Garland this past draft. Trade the Hawks 19th for the Vancouver 12 or 14th or whatever it was so they could dump Garland. Maybe this summer he can be one of those cap dump players that LAHawk is hoping the Hawks get. He'll only have 2 years left at 4.95M at that time. Since the Canucks will have to pay Pettersson maybe he'll be in play. I'll take him with a sweetener.

As for any sweeteners KD gets, I hope it's for a prospect who has a chance to contribute in a couple of years versus a 2nd round pick down the road who may or may not help the team in 3-5 years.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Dec 5 @ 1:24 PM ET
It is interesting that people are concerned about an issue that won't be on the radar for 4 years. I'm interested in whether LR can pull the team together tonight before he veers into JC territory.
- mohel

Do you think LR is any better than JC?
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 5 @ 1:25 PM ET
Speaking of Beauvillier, he was skating at practice this morning on the 1st line so maybe he got the visa. Reichel at 4LW.

Beauvillier-Bedard-Kurashev
T. Johnson-Guttman-Raddysh
Foligno-Richardinson-Anderson
Reichel-Donato-Entwistle

Vlasic-Jones
Korchinski-Murphy
Tinordi-Zaitsev/Crevier

Söderblom
Mrazek

Extras: Katchouk, R. Johnson
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Dec 5 @ 1:46 PM ET
I remember all the made up trade talk about obtaining Garland this past draft. Trade the Hawks 19th for the Vancouver 12 or 14th or whatever it was so they could dump Garland. Maybe this summer he can be one of those cap dump players that LAHawk is hoping the Hawks get. He'll only have 2 years left at 4.95M at that time. Since the Canucks will have to pay Pettersson maybe he'll be in play. I'll take him with a sweetener.

As for any sweeteners KD gets, I hope it's for a prospect who has a chance to contribute in a couple of years versus a 2nd round pick down the road who may or may not help the team in 3-5 years.

- boilermaker100

Agree with this, collecting draft picks is nice but they are lottery tickets on 18 year olds most of whom probably won't skate for 3-5 years, if ever.

Considering how short of forward talent they are, I hope the Hawks are really bird dogging the AHL and the leagues in Europe looking for more mature players nearly ready to play. Teams like the Kings, Rangers, Carolina and Florida who are talent laden at the NHL level and/or with cap issues may have some sleepers playing in the minors who they can't qualify as RFAs or will be forced to give up in what seems like minor trades.

Gotta keep looking.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Dec 5 @ 1:49 PM ET
https://x.com/MeghanChayk...W8FufnEy1yI0l8XentRg&s=01

Well this seems about right.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Dec 5 @ 1:51 PM ET
Speaking of Beauvillier, he was skating at practice this morning on the 1st line so maybe he got the visa. Reichel at 4LW.

Beauvillier-Bedard-Kurashev
T. Johnson-Guttman-Raddysh
Foligno-Richardinson-Anderson
Reichel-Donato-Entwistle

Vlasic-Jones
Korchinski-Murphy
Tinordi-Zaitsev/Crevier

Söderblom
Mrazek

Extras: Katchouk, R. Johnson

- boilermaker100


It's not bad if they make Reichel earn his way back up the lineup a bit. I have to say, Joey Anderson had been playing pretty well for a bottom 6 guy.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Dec 5 @ 2:24 PM ET
Speaking of Beauvillier, he was skating at practice this morning on the 1st line so maybe he got the visa. Reichel at 4LW.

Beauvillier-Bedard-Kurashev
T. Johnson-Guttman-Raddysh
Foligno-Richardinson-Anderson
Reichel-Donato-Entwistle

Vlasic-Jones
Korchinski-Murphy
Tinordi-Zaitsev/Crevier

Söderblom
Mrazek

Extras: Katchouk, R. Johnson

- boilermaker100

I hope to see Reichel on the 2nd line by the 2nd period. Not a game changer but I’d rather see Katchouk in for Entwistle.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 5 @ 2:53 PM ET
Defenseman Philip Broberg wants out of Edmonton.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....ermission-to-seek-a-trade
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 5 @ 2:56 PM ET
A few nice words about Adam Gajan here.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....est-defenseman-in-the-chl
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Dec 5 @ 3:21 PM ET
Defenseman Philip Broberg wants out of Edmonton.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....ermission-to-seek-a-trade

- boilermaker100


Pass, he's not any better than the young d-men in the pipeline
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Dec 5 @ 3:31 PM ET
Pass, he's not any better than the young d-men in the pipeline
- DarthKane


Is there a similar player here for a change of scene trade, or still not worth it?
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 5 @ 3:49 PM ET
Is there a similar player here for a change of scene trade, or still not worth it?
- 333inthe3rd


Agree with Darth. There are plenty of LD prospects in the mix here already. I don't see a match with EDM here for Broberg.
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