There are both pros and cons to my statement. On one hand, good on Torts for believing in Foerster and sticking with him. However, it’s come at the expense of Brink and Frost’s development. May have even come at the cost of some wins. If Frost has to score to be in the top 6, the same should go for Foerster.
- roenick97

I think what was meant by this statement is Frost is an offensive player. He is not a checker or a guy that is a bottom 6 type player. For Frost to be successful in this league he needs to play in the top 6 and on the PP, and to do that he needs to consistently generate offence (i.e scoring chances). Foerster is a different player than Frost, and though he was not scoring, he was generating scoring chances and getting shots on goal, plus winning puck battles so you knew his scoring was going to come. It's not always about results at first, its first looking to see if the player is playing the right way and Foerster has been great in this regard this entire season so far.

Flyers don’t really have a lot in house yet. Andrae looks like the only decent prospect in the AHL. I think they did well drafting Bonk and Sotheran but they are still years away from the NHL roster. Briere has his work cutout for him to remake this blue line. It’s one of the reasons I can see this team being worse next year.
- psuhockey

the D corp is a patchwork group at the moment. As you said many years away and no sure thing to step in next year. So.....

That will lead to a free agent over pay singing imo or a trade for that cagey vet.

Do you watch the games? Isn't that what you always say to me? No, he wouldn't have been. They were double shifting the Sanheim/York and Seeler/Walker pairings in the last 5 minutes of the game! LOL
- MJL

That doesn't make sense because then they would be benching Risto, the Flyers best defenseman, so you have got to be wrong here.

I think what was meant by this statement is Frost is an offensive player. He is not a checker or a guy that is a bottom 6 type player. For Frost to be successful in this league he needs to play in the top 6 and on the PP, and to do that he needs to consistently generate offence (i.e scoring chances). Foerster is a different player than Frost, and though he was not scoring, he was generating scoring chances and getting shots on goal, plus winning puck battles so you knew his scoring was going to come. It's not always about results at first, its first looking to see if the player is playing the right way and Foerster has been great in this regard this entire season so far.
- jd250

You're being a hypocrite. Many, many times, you have stated that scoring chances were not enough for Frost. When it was pointed out the chances Frost produced in a game where he didn't score. After you posted that he had a bad game. You're completely full of poop.

forget ginning as he doesn't even factor into the equation at this point imo.

Flyers are trying to win they don't have time to integrate young dman into the lineup.
- hello it's me 2050

I don't think that is their plan. I think they want to win, yes, but they would prefer to win with in-house talent and not veteran FAs. This year it made sense to sign Staal given where the young Flyers defenseman are in their development, but next year I would be disappointed if the Flyers did so again. Unless of course the Flyers get an offer they can't refuse for Seeler, and then I could see them trying to replace him next season.

That doesn't make sense because then they would be benching Risto, the Flyers best defenseman, so you have got to be wrong here.
- jd250

LOL, do I need to supply the facts to you? If I did, would you accuse me of not having a conversation.

You need to watch the games!

You're being a hypocrite. Many, many times, you have stated that scoring chances were not enough for Frost. When it was pointed out the chances Frost produced in a game where he didn't score. After you posted that he had a bad game. You're completely full of poop.
- MJL

Oh .. see .. there you go again .. acting foolish. Since I know you archive all my posts (since you are a truly devoted fan) please show me the post where I stated scoring chances were not enough. I'll wait.

Oh no doubt he did a horrible job.

And as an aside, just as a fan of this kind of stuff, I feel like the Karlsson trade was insane on their part. I dont care what kind of season he just had. Taking on an 11.5 cap hit for 4 (now 3) more season was/is jousting at windmills IMO.

But I understand that the franchise wants to ride out the Big 3(4?) to the bitter end. 3 cups will buy you that kind of leeway for fans to endure the inevitable down times.

I also feel like the thought process they may have another run in them is unrealistic to say the least.
- MBFlyerfan

I honestly think the Pens got Karlsson for the fans. They saw that their ticket sales were really lagging and they needed something to sell besides the same old crap. Just wait until they get really bad. Those fans are frontrunners that will quickly disappear when they start to really suck! And it's coming...it's a mathematical certainty!

I don't think that is their plan. I think they want to win, yes, but they would prefer to win with in-house talent and not veteran FAs. This year it made sense to sign Staal given where the young Flyers defenseman are in their development, but next year I would be disappointed if the Flyers did so again. Unless of course the Flyers get an offer they can't refuse for Seeler, and then I could see them trying to replace him next season.
- jd250

If they would prefer to win with in house talent and not veteran FA's. Why did they sign Staal and why are they playing him over Zamula? It's not their plan this year? LOL

Do you actually think before you post. If they shouldn't be doing it next year, why are they doing it this year? Because they can actually win this year but can't next year. Aren't they supposed to be getting better as time goes on?

I don't think that is their plan. I think they want to win, yes, but they would prefer to win with in-house talent and not veteran FAs. This year it made sense to sign Staal given where the young Flyers defenseman are in their development, but next year I would be disappointed if the Flyers did so again. Unless of course the Flyers get an offer they can't refuse for Seeler, and then I could see them trying to replace him next season.
- jd250

yeah, see zamula playing over staal. They do not have the talent in house right now. As was mentioned Andrae and Zamula are it at the moment. Both bottom pair for now.

It made zero fn sense to sign staal. None.

Oh .. see .. there you go again .. acting foolish. Since I know you archive all my posts (since you are a truly devoted fan) please show me the post where I stated scoring chances were not enough. I'll wait.
- jd250

There you go, claim to not have said it. How many times do you have to be burned? You're denying labeling Frost as having been invisible in games where he has created half a dozen scoring chances in a game?

the D corp is a patchwork group at the moment. As you said many years away and no sure thing to step in next year. So.....

That will lead to a free agent over pay singing imo or a trade for that cagey vet.
- hello it's me 2050

Until proven otherwise I will give Briere the benefit of the doubt that he can do something more than just patch with crappy free agents and make draft picks. I want to at least see what happens at the deadline before I hit the same old crap phase of being a Flyers fan.

Until proven otherwise I will give Briere the benefit of the doubt that he can do something more than just patch with crappy free agents and make draft picks. I want to at least see what happens at the deadline before I hit the same old crap phase of being a Flyers fan.
- psuhockey

if they do not re-sign Walker Torts will force his hand to get a good solid vet to help the top 4. which isn't a bad thing depending on the age, cost, money, and term.

If they would prefer to win with in house talent and not veteran FA's. Why did they sign Staal and why are they playing him over Zamula? It's not their plan this year? LOL

Do you actually think before you post. If they shouldn't be doing it next year, why are they doing it this year? Because they can actually win this year but can't next year. Aren't they supposed to be getting better as time goes on?
- MJL

Just telling you what I think. I think Zamula will get more time as he improves, which he will as the season goes along, and thus Staal will get less time. I think Staal is good for the development of York and Zamula, he is like another coach for the players. Now if you think the Flyers would be better off without Staal, write a letter to Torts, he says he reads every single one.

Speaking of slowing down. Is anyone else in here rooting against Ovechkin to break Gretzky's goal record?
- MBFlyerfan

100%

Give Ovechkin a wooden stick with no flex and see if he would have gotten close.

There you go, claim to not have said it. How many times do you have to be burned? You're denying labeling Frost as having been invisible in games where he has created half a dozen scoring chances in a game?

- MJL

Well, if you didn't accuse me of saying things I never said so much, I would not have to claim I did not say it so much. I don't deny stating Frost has been invisible for shifts and even games, especially last year when he was invisible early on, but now not so much. I am just stating a plain and simple fact, the Flyers have better young players than Frost in their lineup currently, namely Foerster!

100%

Give Ovechkin a wooden stick with no flex and see if he would have gotten close.
- TheFreak

I could counter this with the fact that Gretzky played in the wide open era of the 1980's. Ovi could be in trouble though cause I think the Caps are on the downslide. Gonna be hard getting past Gretzky on a bad team. Yeah, the Caps record looks fine right now, but I don't think it's sustainable. They are eeking out games by the skin of their teeth. They are the Eagles of the NHL. Eh what? Speaking of the NFL, another black eye for them last night. Just a brutal missed call by the refs on a PI that would have given the Chiefs the ball inside the GB 10 yard line with 50 seconds left. A 5 year old could have watched that play and called pass interference. How much are these guys paid?

Speaking of slowing down. Is anyone else in here rooting against Ovechkin to break Gretzky's goal record?
- MBFlyerfan

I'd like to see. I'm willing to bet a decent amount if he does, it's against the Flyers.

100%

Give Ovechkin a wooden stick with no flex and see if he would have gotten close.
- TheFreak

Yea because the goalies and style of play are no different either, lol are you serious?

if they do not re-sign Walker Torts will force his hand to get a good solid vet to help the top 4. which isn't a bad thing depending on the age, cost, money, and term.
- hello it's me 2050

Because of the incompetence of the last two GMs and the organizational philosophy against tanking, they are going to have to do some patching or get creative with any decent defense prospects that are nearer to being NHL ready who could be available in trade.

Just telling you what I think. I think Zamula will get more time as he improves, which he will as the season goes along, and thus Staal will get less time. I think Staal is good for the development of York and Zamula, he is like another coach for the players. Now if you think the Flyers would be better off without Staal, write a letter to Torts, he says he reads every single one.
- jd250

How does that make sense when right now, Zamula is better than Staal? How is playing a veteran player that is cooked and done, good for the development of York and Zamula? He's not a coach, he's a player. Just more ridiculousness from you.

Well, if you didn't accuse me of saying things I never said so much, I would not have to claim I did not say it so much. I don't deny stating Frost has been invisible for shifts and even games, especially last year when he was invisible early on, but now not so much. I am just stating a plain and simple fact, the Flyers have better young players than Frost in their lineup currently, namely Foerster!
- jd250

I've never inaccurately accused you of anything. I use your foolishness against you every day. You should really stop supplying so much to work with. Which you just did again. Even if we stipulate that Foerster is better, that means that there isn't a spot for Frost then? This is what I mean when I say you don't think before you post. Or maybe you do and it's just beyond your capability. That is far more likely.

Just telling you what I think. I think Zamula will get more time as he improves, which he will as the season goes along, and thus Staal will get less time. I think Staal is good for the development of York and Zamula, he is like another coach for the players. Now if you think the Flyers would be better off without Staal, write a letter to Torts, he says he reads every single one.
- jd250

how do you improve if you don't play? flyers are playing to win th ecoach trust staal. simple as that

Walker and Seeler are gone at the TDL if I was the GM.

Move into next year with Sanheim, York and Risto. Find younger d-men that need a fresh start or promote from within to fill out the rest. I am fine with one veteran on a 1-2 year deal.

Does anyone know if Bonk will be ready next year?

Walker and Seeler are gone at the TDL if I was the GM.

Move into next year with Sanheim, York and Risto. Find younger d-men that need a fresh start or promote from within to fill out the rest. I am fine with one veteran on a 1-2 year deal.

Does anyone know if Bonk will be ready next year?
- mickel25

I would also try and move Ristolainen but I don't think that will be possible without taking it on the chin. I seriously doubt that Bonk will be in the NHL next season. He'll be 19