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THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Dec 4 @ 4:21 PM ET
good to see Staal in the lineup after a rough game. Coach showing confidence that he can bounce back. Great sign of respect.
- hello it's me 2050

I can not believe Brière likes Staal being preferred over a young D guy with a potential future.
ForeverFlyer16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Lou Nolan for Flyers Hall of Fame , NJ
Joined: 11.03.2006

Dec 4 @ 4:27 PM ET
Please tell us how Patel bure is a better goal scorer than ovechkin
- ClaudeFather


Maybe not... but he's certainly the best Indian hockey player ever. 😉
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Dec 4 @ 4:29 PM ET
I can not believe Brière likes Staal being preferred over a young D guy with a potential future.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Zamula is a warm body. He should be playing over Staal but I wouldn’t be worried about ruining his potential future.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Dec 4 @ 4:33 PM ET
In my opinion, you can't remove the longevity factor. Scoring goals not just a high level in a season, but doing it for 20 years. Ovechkin is scoring 40 and 50 goals a season at 36 and 37 years of age.
- MJL
The other thing that impresses me about Ovi is the fact that he has always played a physical game and somehow found a way to stay healthy. Bure was a dancer.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Dec 4 @ 4:33 PM ET
Maybe not... but he's certainly the best Indian hockey player ever. 😉
- ForeverFlyer16

Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Dec 4 @ 4:38 PM ET
If he went out to just score goals, hed be tough to argue against, probably the best all around and complete player of all time
- THE BLACK HAND


Datysuk? not a goal scorer, but great all around player. yes he can score, but could pass like a magician and play d.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 4 @ 4:44 PM ET
Finally real hockey talk.

Yeah, Ov is undeniably better than Bure. In fact Ov is likely the greatest Russian player ever.

I’d like to know who you have, Federov or Datsyuk?

- roenick97

I watched way more Datsyuk, so I’d probably have to go with him. Fedorov had a longer career and his prime was a little before
My time.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Dec 4 @ 4:51 PM ET
I watched way more Datsyuk, so I’d probably have to go with him. Fedorov had a longer career and his prime was a little before
My time.

- ClaudeFather


I believe Datsyuk is likely the better choice for a few reasons. Fedorov really slowed down after he left Detroit. Nobody was better than Datsyuk when it came to pickpocketing players with the puck. Also Datsyuk pretty much owned the Selke in his time. You might even argue Datsyuk held back to fit a team system. If Datsyuk was an all out offensive player, he could have put up way more points. I think a lot of points were left on the table. Fedorov just looked old once he left Detroit.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 4 @ 4:55 PM ET
I believe Datsyuk is likely the better choice for a few reasons. Fedorov really slowed down after he left Detroit. Nobody was better than Datsyuk when it came to pickpocketing players with the puck. Also Datsyuk pretty much owned the Selke in his time. You might even argue Datsyuk held back to fit a team system. If Datsyuk was an all out offensive player, he could have put up way more points. I think a lot of points were left on the table. Fedorov just looked old once he left Detroit.
- roenick97

Easily one of the most watchable players in history
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Dec 4 @ 4:57 PM ET
Finally real hockey talk.

Yeah, Ov is undeniably better than Bure. In fact Ov is likely the greatest Russian player ever.

I’d like to know who you have, Federov or Datsyuk?

- roenick97

Its a great bar conversation where you dont have to posture or speak in hyperbole
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 5:04 PM ET
Zamula is a warm body. He should be playing over Staal but I wouldn’t be worried about ruining his potential future.
- psuhockey


Why is that?
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Dec 4 @ 5:16 PM ET
Its a great bar conversation where you dont have to posture or speak in hyperbole
- THE BLACK HAND


There are things I miss about the game pre 2004-2005 lockout but overall we’re pretty lucky. I think Ov has a chance to be the greatest goal scorer in NHL history and likely greatest Russian player ever. I also believe Auston Matthews could also threaten to break the goal scoring record and possibly become the greatest American hockey player ever. It’s a great era to be a hockey fan.

I know not many in here agree with Torts’ comments about hitting. Personally do. The Hughes/Hathaway play though, that’s more about safety than what once was.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Dec 4 @ 6:42 PM ET
😆 I got the fat version of Lyle Lovett (Jay Caufield) in the pens studio. Switched quickly!
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Dec 4 @ 7:24 PM ET
Very quiet crowd 🤫 to be a flyer pens tilt.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 4 @ 7:25 PM ET
Gotta love TK
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Dec 4 @ 7:25 PM ET
In my opinion, you can't remove the longevity factor. Scoring goals not just a high level in a season, but doing it for 20 years. Ovechkin is scoring 40 and 50 goals a season at 36 and 37 years of age.
- MJL

its a remarkable parameter and probably his best attribute other than his unworldly one-timer because the only thing that stopped Bure was his knee injury. Its impossible to compare Eras. Bure played during the Clutch and Grab neutral zone trap and was restricted by the center ice line. Bure could score in every facet, speed, deke and shot. He created most of his own offense and didnt need to be set up. My statement is based on pure overall goal scoring ability and peak prowess.
Ovi has played in a much freer and PP friendly league. Also benefited from more 4 v 4 play and 3v3 OT play....interestingly, he has over 50 empty net goals
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 4 @ 7:30 PM ET
its a remarkable parameter and probably his best attribute other than his unworldly one-timer because the only thing that stopped Bure was his knee injury. Its impossible to compare Eras. Bure played during the Clutch and Grab neutral zone trap and was restricted by the center ice line. Bure could score in every facet, speed, deke and shot. He created most of his own offense and didnt need to be set up. My statement is based on pure overall goal scoring ability and peak prowess.
Ovi has played in a much freer and PP friendly league. Also benefited from more 4 v 4 play and 3v3 OT play....interestingly, he has over 50 empty net goals

- THE BLACK HAND

The clutch and grab era lol bures best season in 93-94, 20 guys with 90+ points, real restriction on scoring . A goals a goal and ovi is the best to do it
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Dec 4 @ 7:35 PM ET
The clutch and grab era lol bures best season in 93-94, 20 guys with 90+ points, real restriction on scoring . A goals a goal and ovi is the best to do it
- ClaudeFather

Youre stupid and arrogant about it, its a great combo, sport
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Dec 4 @ 7:36 PM ET
Nice trick Cindy
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 4 @ 7:36 PM ET
Youre stupid and arrogant about it, its a great combo, sport
- THE BLACK HAND

Funny coming from the moron saying bure was a better goal scorer than ovi, take a lap bud
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Dec 4 @ 7:39 PM ET
Funny coming from the moron saying bure was a better goal scorer than ovi, take a lap bud
- ClaudeFather

love it
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Dec 4 @ 7:41 PM ET
York, you do realize your job there is cut the pass off, right?
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Dec 4 @ 7:41 PM ET
Guess Bee hasn't learned his lesson.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 4 @ 7:41 PM ET
Farabee needs to figure it out that was pathetic. He was out with frost too , he knew frost was gassed, just a bonehead decision
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 4 @ 7:42 PM ET
York, you do realize your job there is cut the pass off, right?
- jd250

This is what you took from that play 😂😂
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