Idiot.
- .OHOH.

ok Seattle adds a 3rd

Judge will break after half a season playing centre
- Canada Cup

Theyre going after keirmaer as well.

I hope the jays arent freezing off season work outside of ohtani until he decides to sign somewhere

I was at the game where he whiffed two from Nieuwendyk. Second one was under a minute in the 1st, making it 3-0 (IIRC).

I've never seen a crowd get so into mocking another player. It was fugly.

People like to mock Leafs fans for being too quiet, but that's the regular season. Playoffs games are a different animal, and that game was the loudest Leafs game I've ever been to.
- Atomic Wedgie

Leafs playoff games are so few and far between, they better be louder.

Theyre going after keirmaer as well.

I hope the jays arent freezing off season work outside of ohtani until he decides to sign somewhere
- Fakepartofme

Were. I think getting Grisham with Soto makes that redundant

Theyre going after keirmaer as well.

I hope the jays arent freezing off season work outside of ohtani until he decides to sign somewhere
- Fakepartofme

and Jordan Hicks and maybe yamamoto. Cool

Big hard D doesn't come cheap.

The beard alone is worth $1m per.
- GalacticStone

So if he shaves, they'll retain 25%?

Treliving needs to take Leafs players who aren't good and won't be good, and trade them for players who are good or who will be very good.

I'm not above including a 3rd round pick in 2025 to make this happen.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'd trade a 3rd for snot.

I was at the game where he whiffed two from Nieuwendyk. Second one was under a minute in the 1st, making it 3-0 (IIRC).

I've never seen a crowd get so into mocking another player. It was fugly.

People like to mock Leafs fans for being too quiet, but that's the regular season. Playoffs games are a different animal, and that game was the loudest Leafs game I've ever been to.
- Atomic Wedgie

April 2004. We were in Cuba getting married with about 20 friends. We watched that in the hotel "bar" - with a bunch of people who were there from Ottawa (everyone was very civil).

Oh I thought the plan was the put him, a physical player with talent, along with these 2 for most of the season.

I guess he ended up playing with others? I haven't watched that many Leafs games these past few weeks.
- Scabeh

Sorry, I may have been getting my signals crossed.

My brain was fixated on Hyman and comparing his results with McJesus vs. his time with AM34/Marner.

Regulation wins issue? Pfft... how dare they create a narrative out of this!

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/by...n-in-regulation-1.2045739

I do love the best-of-all-possibilities narrative excuse that is being pushed though: "well, you see, this is proof of our resilience - we've been forcing OT!!!"

Sorry, I may have been getting my signals crossed.

My brain was fixated on Hyman and comparing his results with McJesus vs. his time with AM34/Marner.
- mjones242

No worries mate, we're all tired these days.

Regulation wins issue? Pfft... how dare they create a narrative out of this!

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/by...n-in-regulation-1.2045739

I do love the best-of-all-possibilities narrative excuse that is being pushed though: "well, you see, this is proof of our resilience - we've been forcing OT!!!"


- mjones242

They have half their D out, its really a nothing story.

So if he shaves, they'll retain 25%?
- Whipper

Gudas' beard and a non-protected first for Matthews' mustache.

Maybe Zach Hyman isn't as overpaid as we thought.

And yes, I said "we", because I also thought it was the right move at the time.
- Scabeh

I don't think the AAV was ever really thought to be too much ...is was more about the 7 years.

But ...he's making that look less worrisome too. As long as he gets minutes with McD he's going to earn his paycheque.

Gudas' beard and a non-protected first for Matthews' mustache.
- GalacticStone

Wait, so Gudas' beard on Matthews?!? Now THAT I'd give a non-protected first to see.

Can anyone photoshop that?!?!

I was at the game where he whiffed two from Nieuwendyk. Second one was under a minute in the 1st, making it 3-0 (IIRC).

I've never seen a crowd get so into mocking another player. It was fugly.

People like to mock Leafs fans for being too quiet, but that's the regular season. Playoffs games are a different animal, and that game was the loudest Leafs game I've ever been to.
- Atomic Wedgie

A significant amount of the people at Leaf games are not fans. They are people with a significant amount of disposable income looking to see and be seen. The game is beside the point of being there.

They have half their D out, its really a nothing story.
- Santo_44

Klingberg, Liljegren and Giordano are out. Giordano helps that bottom pair immensely, but I'm not that sold on what Liljegren really brings _defensively_. His positioning is sound and his skating/passing are good, but he isn't physical or a battler which hurts his importance to the team.

We have been outshot at 5v5, outchanced at 5v5, outscored at 5v5 and given up more HD chances at 5v5. We've been outplayed in general.

The fact that they are banking wins in the shootout is great but there are a number of underlying problems that they absolutely need to address before this all comes back to haunt them.

At the end of the day, this is the problem:

2023
SF%: 49.8%
GF%: 47.9%
xGF%: 49%
HDC%: 49.4%

2019 Babcock
SF%: 51.2%
GF%: 47.5%
xGF%: 47.9%
HDC%: 48.3%

2019 Keefe
SF%: 50.8%
GF%: 51.4%
xGF%: 52.6%
HDC%: 52%

2020
SF%: 52.3%
GF%: 58.2%
xGF%: 54.9%
HDC%: 56.8%

2021
SF%: 52.7%
GF%: 52.9%
xGF%: 55.2%
HDC%: 55.6%


2022
SF%: 52.4%
GF%: 56.4%
xGF%: 53.5%
HDC%: 54.4%

They haven't played this poorly since 2019 and that year was a complete disaster.

Apparently Luke Schenn is playing forward now? And its legit and might be a long term thing.

I haven’t read up on it, a friend in my fantasy hockey league who owns him was telling me.

Leafs being in his skull cost them. People forget how insane that Ducks team was...especially how the playoffs are called. Or was that Emery by then? Hard to remember anybody outside Craig Anderson.
- AdamFrench

Ron Tugnutt

Don Beaupre

Craig Billington

Glasscal LeClair

Klingberg, Liljegren and Giordano are out. Giordano helps that bottom pair immensely, but I'm not that sold on what Liljegren really brings _defensively_. His positioning is sound and his skating/passing are good, but he isn't physical or a battler which hurts his importance to the team.

We have been outshot at 5v5, outchanced at 5v5, outscored at 5v5 and given up more HD chances at 5v5. We've been outplayed in general.

The fact that they are banking wins in the shootout is great but there are a number of underlying problems that they absolutely need to address before this all comes back to haunt them.

At the end of the day, this is the problem:

2023
SF%: 49.8%
GF%: 47.9%
xGF%: 49%
HDC%: 49.4%

2019 Babcock
SF%: 51.2%
GF%: 47.5%
xGF%: 47.9%
HDC%: 48.3%

2019 Keefe
SF%: 50.8%
GF%: 51.4%
xGF%: 52.6%
HDC%: 52%

2020
SF%: 52.3%
GF%: 58.2%
xGF%: 54.9%
HDC%: 56.8%

2021
SF%: 52.7%
GF%: 52.9%
xGF%: 55.2%
HDC%: 55.6%


2022
SF%: 52.4%
GF%: 56.4%
xGF%: 53.5%
HDC%: 54.4%

They haven't played this poorly since 2019 and that year was a complete disaster.
- Monkeypunk

They have Lagesson in their top 4 and are playing an unplayable timmins after injury and Benoit.

I’ll reserve judgment until they get healthy and add some D.

I just see Toronto media and fans going a little nuts for no reason, what else is new.

Klingberg, Liljegren and Giordano are out. Giordano helps that bottom pair immensely, but I'm not that sold on what Liljegren really brings _defensively_. His positioning is sound and his skating/passing are good, but he isn't physical or a battler which hurts his importance to the team.

We have been outshot at 5v5, outchanced at 5v5, outscored at 5v5 and given up more HD chances at 5v5. We've been outplayed in general.

The fact that they are banking wins in the shootout is great but there are a number of underlying problems that they absolutely need to address before this all comes back to haunt them.

At the end of the day, this is the problem:

2023
SF%: 49.8%
GF%: 47.9%
xGF%: 49%
HDC%: 49.4%

2019 Babcock
SF%: 51.2%
GF%: 47.5%
xGF%: 47.9%
HDC%: 48.3%

2019 Keefe
SF%: 50.8%
GF%: 51.4%
xGF%: 52.6%
HDC%: 52%

2020
SF%: 52.3%
GF%: 58.2%
xGF%: 54.9%
HDC%: 56.8%

2021
SF%: 52.7%
GF%: 52.9%
xGF%: 55.2%
HDC%: 55.6%


2022
SF%: 52.4%
GF%: 56.4%
xGF%: 53.5%
HDC%: 54.4%

They haven't played this poorly since 2019 and that year was a complete disaster.
- Monkeypunk

gonna need the moneyball dictionary on this one.

Klingberg, Liljegren and Giordano are out. Giordano helps that bottom pair immensely, but I'm not that sold on what Liljegren really brings _defensively_. His positioning is sound and his skating/passing are good, but he isn't physical or a battler which hurts his importance to the team.

We have been outshot at 5v5, outchanced at 5v5, outscored at 5v5 and given up more HD chances at 5v5. We've been outplayed in general.

The fact that they are banking wins in the shootout is great but there are a number of underlying problems that they absolutely need to address before this all comes back to haunt them.

At the end of the day, this is the problem:

2023
SF%: 49.8%
GF%: 47.9%
xGF%: 49%
HDC%: 49.4%

2019 Babcock
SF%: 51.2%
GF%: 47.5%
xGF%: 47.9%
HDC%: 48.3%

2019 Keefe
SF%: 50.8%
GF%: 51.4%
xGF%: 52.6%
HDC%: 52%

2020
SF%: 52.3%
GF%: 58.2%
xGF%: 54.9%
HDC%: 56.8%

2021
SF%: 52.7%
GF%: 52.9%
xGF%: 55.2%
HDC%: 55.6%


2022
SF%: 52.4%
GF%: 56.4%
xGF%: 53.5%
HDC%: 54.4%

They haven't played this poorly since 2019 and that year was a complete disaster.
- Monkeypunk

gonna need the moneyball dictionary on this one.

They have Lagesson in their top 4 and are playing an unplayable timmins after injury and Benoit.

I’ll reserve judgment until they get healthy and add some D.

I just see Toronto media and fans going a little nuts for no reason, what else is new.
- Santo_44

They just have to play well enough to make the playoffs. Assuming Detroit falls off ( and they might be for real) they will probably be playing one of Florida, Boston or Tampa in the first round. If they lose in the first round again then I think next summer will see the biggest changes to the roster in recent memory. Nobody except AM34 will be safe.

A significant amount of the people at Leaf games are not fans. They are people with a significant amount of disposable income looking to see and be seen. The game is beside the point of being there.
- fifty__missions

That's franking nonsense.

Seen by who?

Yes, the lower bowl is all corporate-types.

They all played hockey growing up.

Toronto fans at games are a pretty sophisticated hockey viewer - they don't get out of their seats to cheer an icing or a Leafs goal to make it 6-2 (Leafs still losing) with 6 minutes left in the 3rd.

Regulation wins issue? Pfft... how dare they create a narrative out of this!

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/by...n-in-regulation-1.2045739

I do love the best-of-all-possibilities narrative excuse that is being pushed though: "well, you see, this is proof of our resilience - we've been forcing OT!!!"


- mjones242

TSN: Leafs getting wrong kind of points!

There are clearly issues with the team right now. They need an upgrade on defence. The 3rd line scares the poop out of me. Bertuzzi seems to drag down whatever line he’s on and they are too dependent on a rookie goalie.

Despite these things the team is in pretty good shape in the standings. The thing I’m least worried about is their lack of regulation wins.