I understand that TK is 25 freak'n years old! If he were 29 or 30+ years old I could agree with you, but the kid is just coming into his prime. Who better to lead the new era of Orange and teach by example the younger players how to play the game? It would absolutely stupid for the Flyers to trade TK. You just don't trade one of the best all around forwards in the game for a bunch of draft picks that may or not develop. The Flyers have plenty of assets. They need to continue to move out older veterans like Staal, Atkinson and Laughton as their younger players are ready to take over.
- jd250

TK will be 27 in march. 28 when his new contract kicks in. he isnt a kid as has 8 nhl seasons under his belt.

Who are you talking about?

You know the Flyers will give them max term, max $$$ and a NMC. Just like rebuilding is NOT in their DNA, it is in their DNA to get fleeced in every contract negotiation. They just can't help themselves. I personally would rather trade TK (not for a 5th rounder), than pay another player big dollars well into his 30's.
- mr4tno

have to hope TK tells them he iwll test free agency. Unfortunately I think he is way to comfortable here in philly. Why leave

Lol, suck a troll
Good morning everyone, good win last night. I like them winning even though id rather a rebuild. But lets hear what negativity mjl has after these recent wins. Let me guess torts? Frost ? ND ? Lol
Anyone want to spew some positive thoughts ? Have a great friday everyone
- bradster

I thought Decembers were for for 10 game losing streaks? This team is playing well.

TK will be 27 in march. 28 when his new contract kicks in. he isnt a kid as has 8 nhl seasons under his belt.

Who are you talking about?
- hello it's me 2050

Better than Pastrnak. Don't you know that?

Better than Pastrnak. Don't you know that?
- MBFlyerfan

indeed.

The Flyers don't just need a top 4 defenseman. They have that. They need a top pairing defenseman and more than one. What are they going to trade to get that player? If you sign one, if that level of player even becomes available, that increases your cap and the player is generally already an older player. You were repeatedly harping and beating the drum that the Flyers need to get a top 5 player. That they need elite players and the best way to get that is to pick top 5. Now here you are railing against trading a player to try and do that. Mesmerized by some regular season wins.
- MJL

It is fact that the odds increase of getting a franchise player when a team picks in the top 5 of the draft, but there are several variables here including the strength of that year's draft and whether that player develops. We have seen firsthand how injuries can completely derail a player's development for example. It is also a fact that you can get franchise players anywhere in the first round, for example Pastrnak was drafted 26th overall, TK was 24th overall and Giroux was 23rd overall. So its not cut and dry that a team must tank and get into the top 5 to rebuild a team, it just isn't. Last year was a draft to tank in, and Chicago, Anaheim and other teams did just that. This draft is not worth it from what I know about it. There are about 10 defenseman projected to go in the first 20 picks, are one of two of these players head and shoulders above the rest? From what I read I don't think so. The Flyers have other veterans they can move to gain further assets. For example, the Flyers can trade Walker for a 1st round pick in 2025 instead of 2024, and so on. But a player like TK is special, and you don't give those types of players up. Even you have to admit TK has developed into one of the best all-around forwards in the game and he is just entering his prime years.

Better than Pastrnak. Don't you know that?
- MBFlyerfan

I'll say it again. TK is a better leader and all around player than Pastrnak and if I am going to war and I have a choice between the two players, I am taking TK. Walk the plank with Pastrnak, that's fine with me.

I think you roll the dice on TK if the contract is reasonable for someone who can score 30+ goals.

He has comparables to Marchand and if this season is a step forward you could see him being really successful heading into his late 20s.

Age comparison Marchand <> TK:

https://stathead.com/hock...p2yrfrom=2019&p2yrto=2024

It is fact that the odds increase of getting a franchise player when a team picks in the top 5 of the draft, but there are several variables here including the strength of that year's draft and whether that player develops. We have seen firsthand how injuries can completely derail a player's development for example. It is also a fact that you can get franchise players anywhere in the first round, for example Pastrnak was drafted 26th overall, TK was 24th overall and Giroux was 23rd overall. So its not cut and dry that a team must tank and get into the top 5 to rebuild a team, it just isn't. Last year was a draft to tank in, and Chicago, Anaheim and other teams did just that. This draft is not worth it from what I know about it. There are about 10 defenseman projected to go in the first 20 picks, are one of two of these players head and shoulders above the rest? From what I read I don't think so. The Flyers have other veterans they can move to gain further assets. For example, the Flyers can trade Walker for a 1st round pick in 2025 instead of 2024, and so on. But a player like TK is special, and you don't give those types of players up. Even you have to admit TK has developed into one of the best all-around forwards in the game and he is just entering his prime years.
- jd250

so now TK is a franchise player, good lord. TK is special. Wow.

what vets do you see the flyers actually moving? For what return. Break it down.

I think you roll the dice on TK if the contract is reasonable for someone who can score 30+ goals.

He has comparables to Marchand and if this season is a step forward you could see him being really successful heading into his late 20s.

Age comparison Marchand <> TK:

https://stathead.com/hock...p2yrfrom=2019&p2yrto=2024
- atibus

define reasonable? he is getting 8 years 8 million +.

Is that reasonable?

I'll say it again. TK is a better leader and all around player than Pastrnak and if I am going to war and I have a choice between the two players, I am taking TK. Walk the plank with Pastrnak, that's fine with me.
- jd250

Ok. Agree to disagree.

define reasonable? he is getting 8 years 8 million +.

Is that reasonable?
- hello it's me 2050

If he nears 40 goals its probably closer to 9-9.5 for 8 years.

You forgot a 57.58CF%. 64.19 xGF%, 62.50 SCF% and a 66.67 HDSCF%
- MJL

He played fine. he still needs to start producing. You hate Risto, what were his numbers last night?

If he nears 40 goals its probably closer to 9-9.5 for 8 years.
- MBFlyerfan

yeah just using the 8+ as a base and minimum imo.

I cant get on board handing that contract to him at 28. Flyers need to sell high. A contender having TK for 2 playoff runs is very valuable. If the flyers retain 50% (which I would do) then you should get a huge return that can set this up very well for the immediate and long term future.

yeah just using the 8+ as a base and minimum imo.

I cant get on board handing that contract to him at 28. Flyers need to sell high. A contender having TK for 2 playoff runs is very valuable. If the flyers retain 50% (which I would do) then you should get a huge return that can set this up very well for the immediate and long term future.
- hello it's me 2050

Agree. he is prob our best trade chip. send him for as much as possible. Best deal will be at the draft this summer. try to get prospects and picks. maybe we could even get a good young d and a pick. with him, this year is possible, just don't see them doing it. hope i'm wrong.

He played fine. he still needs to start producing. You hate Risto, what were his numbers last night?
- Peter Richards

the fact that fans pay more attention to some numbers on players day to day instead of watching how they play..thats something i just dont understand. Looking at numbers is trying to find validation on what you agree or disagree with imo. Just trying to get ammo for an argument

the fact that fans pay more attention to some numbers on players day to day instead of watching how they play..thats something i just dont understand. Looking at numbers is trying to find validation on what you agree or disagree with imo. Just trying to get ammo for an argument
- bradster

pretty much. numbers do not tell the full story.

Agree. he is prob our best trade chip. send him for as much as possible. Best deal will be at the draft this summer. try to get prospects and picks. maybe we could even get a good young d and a pick. with him, this year is possible, just don't see them doing it. hope i'm wrong.
- Peter Richards

I myself thin the deadline you get more as that extra playoff run makes a diff.

they aint trading him anyway.

16th in power play goals? God were worse than that. Or are you talking points percentage?

Also, you do realize that tk is 26 and not 34 right. Same with hart. If the rebuild is at least 3 or 4 years away, what do you see as the conservative estimate? 5 to 7? If that’s the target horizon and late 20s is over the hill, you might as well trade everyone as they’ll be too old to fit the window.

I think they’re aiming for when mm comes over in 3 more years. Idea would be to have a good team around at that point.
- Hextall271

Totally agree, but let's do a 10 year rebuild to placate the geniuses on here.

the fact that fans pay more attention to some numbers on players day to day instead of watching how they play..thats something i just dont understand. Looking at numbers is trying to find validation on what you agree or disagree with imo. Just trying to get ammo for an argument
- bradster

that's my point with the risto comment.

Frost has been playing fine. But offensive players also need to score. 1 point in his last 7 games. Would imagine if cates was healthy frost would be getting scratched due to not producing. he needs to play, but he also needs o produce.

I myself thin the deadline you get more as that extra playoff run makes a diff.

they aint trading him anyway.
- hello it's me 2050

It will be telling for sure, and as we continue to win games i can easily see this happening. hope they do what detroit did last year, recognize they aren't contenders and sell. But this is what torts does. i.e. see columbus.

the fact that fans pay more attention to some numbers on players day to day instead of watching how they play..thats something i just dont understand. Looking at numbers is trying to find validation on what you agree or disagree with imo. Just trying to get ammo for an argument
- bradster

More agreement! Watch the damn games! Numbers can't tell you everything. Especially those stupid Corsi numbers that go waaaaaaaaaay too in depth for me. Yikes!

that's my point with the risto comment.

Frost has been playing fine. But offensive players also need to score. 1 point in his last 7 games. Would imagine if cates was healthy frost would be getting scratched due to not producing. he needs to play, but he also needs o produce.
- Peter Richards

It's time for Frost to start showing all this talent he supposedly has. I'm tired of hearing about last year. He has been invisible on the score sheet and I'm tired of hearing that he is playing the right way. Foerster is light years ahead of Frost in his development and he is 3 years younger.

check out TK at the 150 mark


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1LpZNZsRXg

I think you roll the dice on TK if the contract is reasonable for someone who can score 30+ goals.

He has comparables to Marchand and if this season is a step forward you could see him being really successful heading into his late 20s.

Age comparison Marchand <> TK:

https://stathead.com/hock...p2yrfrom=2019&p2yrto=2024
- atibus

No!!!

Guys, you don’t extend TK, you don’t make him Captain. Just stop. You get a Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Ivan Provorov, Brayden Schenn type of deal back. Picks and high prospects are the only answers when talking about Travis Konency. Don’t waste both side’s time.