I understand that TK is 25 freak'n years old! If he were 29 or 30+ years old I could agree with you, but the kid is just coming into his prime. Who better to lead the new era of Orange and teach by example the younger players how to play the game? It would absolutely stupid for the Flyers to trade TK. You just don't trade one of the best all around forwards in the game for a bunch of draft picks that may or not develop. The Flyers have plenty of assets. They need to continue to move out older veterans like Staal, Atkinson and Laughton as their younger players are ready to take over.
- jd250

How many times does it need to be explained that Konecny is not 25. He is 26 going on 27. He will be 27 in March. Without knowing what the return could be, what is stupid is saying that it would be stupid to trade Konecny. He's a good player but he is not this elite star that can carry the team in the future to Stanley Cup contention. You continue with hyperbole, such as he is one of the best all round forwards in the game. He is not that player. He is currently 63rd in the league in scoring. He's not a strong 5 on 5 defender. There is no such thing as a team that is supposedly rebuilding as having plenty of assets. You're badly contradicting your past positions. Depending on the return, the Flyers should consider trading Konecny .

It's time for Frost to start showing all this talent he supposedly has. I'm tired of hearing about last year. He has been invisible on the score sheet and I'm tired of hearing that he is playing the right way. Foerster is light years ahead of Frost in his development and he is 3 years younger.
- Phillywhiteout

the numbers would agree with you...lmao


https://www.naturalstattr...&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

https://www.naturalstattr...&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

TKs stock plummeting 😂 where is that idiot today

so now TK is a franchise player, good lord. TK is special. Wow.

what vets do you see the flyers actually moving? For what return. Break it down.
- hello it's me 2050

Based on recent comments from Jones, if the Flyers are in the playoff hunt come deadline time, they will not be buying but they also most likely will not be sellers. If the team is not realistically a playoff team I can see Walker moved for the 1st round pick, and maybe Staal for a late round pick. Not likely but maybe Laughton is traded if a team offers a 1st round pick for him. In the off season I can see Laughton, Risto and Atkinson potentially being traded. I looked it up and the Flyers don't really save a lot of money by buying out Atkinson's contract so if there is not a deal for him in the off season I can see Atkinson sticking with the Flyers until the next deadline.

check out TK at the 150 mark


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1LpZNZsRXg
- wcorvette

What are we supposed to be listening to? Get better defensively and make smarter decisions?

No!!!

Guys, you don’t extend TK, you don’t make him Captain. Just stop. You get a Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Ivan Provorov, Brayden Schenn type of deal back. Picks and high prospects are the only answers when talking about Travis Konency. Don’t waste both side’s time.
- roenick97

my issue would also be his contract. guys that play like tk usually don't make it deep into their 30's. too much of a risk he would be a shell of himself when we are relevant.

the numbers would agree with you...lmao


https://www.naturalstattr...&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

https://www.naturalstattr...&td=&tgp=410&lines=single
- Peter Richards

Can’t argue that Foerester is more noticeable every night, he forechecks and always seems to be around the puck. Those numbers are better too. I like frost and he’s been decent, really could use more from him though.

Impressive win. And the Flyers PK is almost the best in the league now.

It is fact that the odds increase of getting a franchise player when a team picks in the top 5 of the draft, but there are several variables here including the strength of that year's draft and whether that player develops. We have seen firsthand how injuries can completely derail a player's development for example. It is also a fact that you can get franchise players anywhere in the first round, for example Pastrnak was drafted 26th overall, TK was 24th overall and Giroux was 23rd overall. So its not cut and dry that a team must tank and get into the top 5 to rebuild a team, it just isn't. Last year was a draft to tank in, and Chicago, Anaheim and other teams did just that. This draft is not worth it from what I know about it. There are about 10 defenseman projected to go in the first 20 picks, are one of two of these players head and shoulders above the rest? From what I read I don't think so. The Flyers have other veterans they can move to gain further assets. For example, the Flyers can trade Walker for a 1st round pick in 2025 instead of 2024, and so on. But a player like TK is special, and you don't give those types of players up. Even you have to admit TK has developed into one of the best all-around forwards in the game and he is just entering his prime years.
- jd250

I don't know where to start. You continue to post as if this years upcoming draft is the only draft. LOL. You also contradict every past position you have had. You're doing so because you are being fooled by the current team. Again with hyperbole. Konecny is not a special player. He's a very good player but not a special player. Not a player that you build a franchise around. Yes, for the right return, as a rebuilding team. You absolutely give up that player. You're wrong. No, Konecny is not one of the best overall forwards in the game. More hyperbole.

Totally agree, but let's do a 10 year rebuild to placate the geniuses on here.

- Phillywhiteout

How long of rebuild is it going to take for a team without any centers and no top pair defensemen? There is nothing of value on the team or in system except wingers. Makes zero sense to keep investing capspace and the future assets lost by not trading Konecny.

Impressive win. And the Flyers PK is almost the best in the league now.
- Feanor

The Pk gets a breakaway every game, it’s been incredible haha. As much as we might not like Torts “development” stance, he’s got this team going strong

I'll say it again. TK is a better leader and all around player than Pastrnak and if I am going to war and I have a choice between the two players, I am taking TK. Walk the plank with Pastrnak, that's fine with me.
- jd250

Doubling down on stupidity. All because you have a silly bias against Boston for some reason and are willing to make yourself look like a fool due to it. By the way, Pasternak is a special player.

Doubling down on stupidity. All because you have a silly bias against Boston for some reason and are willing to make yourself look like a fool due to it. By the way, Pasternak is a special player.
- MJL

With ovi on decline, pasta is easily the best goal scorer in the league. It’s him or Matthews

How many times does it need to be explained that Konecny is not 25. He is 26 going on 27. He will be 27 in March. Without knowing what the return could be, what is stupid is saying that it would be stupid to trade Konecny. He's a good player but he is not this elite star that can carry the team in the future to Stanley Cup contention. You continue with hyperbole, such as he is one of the best all round forwards in the game. He is not that player. He is currently 63rd in the league in scoring. He's not a strong 5 on 5 defender. There is no such thing as a team that is supposedly rebuilding as having plenty of assets. You're badly contradicting your past positions. Depending on the return, the Flyers should consider trading Konecny .
- MJL

Yes, he is 26 years old, but it doesn't change my opinion of him. I consider players like McDavid elite stars, and I didn't put TK in that category. I do believe he is one of the best all around forwards in the game and he should be the next captain of this team.

The Pk gets a breakaway every game, it’s been incredible haha. As much as we might not like Torts “development” stance, he’s got this team going strong
- ClaudeFather

and they are playing above expectations. Glad our pk is doing well, the PP should be the next focus.

I did not get to watch the game last night, is sanhiem still on the first unit?

that's my point with the risto comment.

Frost has been playing fine. But offensive players also need to score. 1 point in his last 7 games. Would imagine if cates was healthy frost would be getting scratched due to not producing. he needs to play, but he also needs o produce.
- Peter Richards

I’ll say it again and again and again. I don’t have as much of a problem with Morgan Frost as I do with those who won’t allow you to say one critical word about him. Frost playing a responsible game is great but 5 points in 16 games is cause for concern. Last season was last season. You heard Torts, for Frost to play in the top 6 he’s gotta produce and I’m starting to really agree. I’ll never agree with scratching him an insane amount of games in a row but he needs to put up points.

I'll add to this. I believe he should be in every offensive situation but people have been upset Frost hasn’t been included in OT. I being one….but maybe he didn’t earn it. Why is he a no show for the first 60 minutes but expected to be rewarded with OT time?

Totally agree, but let's do a 10 year rebuild to placate the geniuses on here.

- Phillywhiteout

Actually, the geniuses wanted things to change when Hextall was here. Wanted the Flyers to escalate. Here we are, still rebuilding. How many years has it been now? The team is heading right back to where it was with Fletcher. Some fans are placated by regular season wins and competitiveness. True geniuses.

that's my point with the risto comment.

Frost has been playing fine. But offensive players also need to score. 1 point in his last 7 games. Would imagine if cates was healthy frost would be getting scratched due to not producing. he needs to play, but he also needs o produce.
- Peter Richards

He also has 5 points in his last 10 games, while Brink has 3 in his last 9, Laughton has 5 in his last 13, and Atkinson & Farabee both have 6 in their last 13. So in the last month he's produced more points than they have per game, and yet you don't hear too many people saying they should be benched.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...ssists&page=0&pageSize=50

Totally agree, but let's do a 10 year rebuild to placate the geniuses on here.

- Phillywhiteout

How long of rebuild is it going to take for a team without any centers and no top pair defensemen? There is nothing of value on the team or in system except wingers. Makes zero sense to keep investing capspace and the future assets lost by not trading Konecny.

More agreement! Watch the damn games! Numbers can't tell you everything. Especially those stupid Corsi numbers that go waaaaaaaaaay too in depth for me. Yikes!
- Phillywhiteout

What those numbers show is what happens on the ice. They show that many, including yourself, are wrong. I know you don't like that.

Doubling down on stupidity. All because you have a silly bias against Boston for some reason and are willing to make yourself look like a fool due to it. By the way, Pasternak is a special player.
- MJL

Pastrnak is an elite scorer, but I watch him all the time and IMO if I had a choice between the two players, I am picking TK. I hate the Bruins yes, but that has nothing to do with evaluating their players. For example, I always had the highest respect for Bergeron as one of the best two-way forwards in the game, and always thought Krejci was a great playoff performer and the lynchpin of that team.

How long of rebuild is it going to take for a team without any centers and no top pair defensemen? There is nothing of value on the team or in system except wingers. Makes zero sense to keep investing capspace and the future assets lost by not trading Konecny.
- psuhockey

And there’s a very strong chance that cutter and Michkov are going to be wingers. It’s time to move TK at the deadline, we will get a haul

and they are playing above expectations. Glad our pk is doing well, the PP should be the next focus.

I did not get to watch the game last night, is sanhiem still on the first unit?
- Peter Richards

I didn’t watch last night either.

And there’s a very strong chance that cutter and Michkov are going to be wingers. It’s time to move TK at the deadline, we will get a haul
- ClaudeFather

Zero chance. They're not rebuilding. May as well ask Torts to start wearing a dress on the bench.

Yes, he is 26 years old, but it doesn't change my opinion of him. I consider players like McDavid elite stars, and I didn't put TK in that category. I do believe he is one of the best all around forwards in the game and he should be the next captain of this team.
- jd250

He is not remotely close to being one of the best all around forwards in the league.