I don’t see three future hall of famers on the Flyers roster..
- landros 2

lol..that was 40 years ago...alot has changed

OK, well if the Flyers don't trade Risto I am fine with keeping him and would love to see him play for the Flyers in the playoffs.
- jd250

well he only has 3 more seasons after this so he will be cutting it close.

so who do you think the flyer acquire for the playoff push?

well he only has 3 more seasons after this so he will be cutting it close.

so who do you think the flyer acquire for the playoff push?
- hello it's me 2050

Valimaki and Jeff Carter…

You routinely love any player that doesn't play for the Flyers. Let's look at Mark Stone, historically he has had trouble playing a full season and is under a point a game player in his career. Stone is a good player, but he is not elite. Marchessault is another good player and clutch, but he is also not an elite player. If you think Marchessault is an elite player, then TK must also be elite. But we know they are not. If Carter Hart had played for Vegas last year, they would have run away with the season and the cup and Hart would have won the Vezina. You routinely value other goalies ahead of Hart, even though he has shown us time and time again just how good he is. The Flyers are a better defensive team this year compared to last year, but not as good defensively as a team like Vegas or Boston. Yet this season Hart has a .916 save % and a 2.45 GAA, better than Hill's numbers last season even though Hart plays for a lesser team. But don't let the facts get in the way of your argument that everyone else's players are elite and the Flyers players suck.
- jd250

You know how you called Konecny one of the best all around players in the NHL in your fantasy world? Well Mark Stone is actually that player. He has had injury issues but he is routinely around a point a game player who is one of he best defensive forwards in the league. A 3 time runner up for the Selke trophy and a five time top 5 finalist.
I gave you the facts concerning Hill. Had nothing to do with favoring anyone. You talk like a little kid with this nonsense who likes his favorite truck. Posting fallacies such as Hart would've won the Vezina if playing for Vegas and label that a fact. Just like all the other fantasy you post. You haven't posted any facts. You've dismissed and ignored the facts, hiding inside your fantasy bubble. You are ridiculously uninformed and ignorant of the actual facts. Your posting is just plain stupid. Hart has been nothing but an average goalie his entire career. Hill backstopped his team to the Stanley Cup.

You lack the self awareness to realize that you're trying to equate players on the Flyers while simultaneously downgrading the players on the Stanley Cup winning team. Then claiming that it's because of favoritism. It's the same BS that you pull when you try to bring Hextall or Frost into unrelated conversations. It's liitle girl kindergarten stuff.

Do you know why Minnyhock posted sometimes he thinks you pretend to not know things? Because it's hard to believe that someone so enthralled and involved in the sport of hockey could be this clueless.

Damn. Hammer, don’t hurt ‘em

You're showing your lack of being informed here. You're badly mistaken if you don't think that Shea Theodore isn't a legit top pairing defenseman. You're also unaware of just how good a player like Mark Stone is. Marchessault had 25 points in 23 games in the playoffs and won the Conn Smythe. You're also mistaken if you think that Hart and Ersson are better than Adin Hill. Who currently has a .935 SV% and a 1.87 GAA. Last year Hill had a .915 SV% and a 2.50 GAA in the regular season. In the playoffs last year it was .932 and 2.17. You routinely show a combination of naivete, lack and being informed and just plain living in a fantasy world.
- MJL

Hill’s just a guy playing behind a way better defense and team then the Flyers but you are right about the rest of it.

I agree but the discussion is not really about how to fan but rather how a fan feels about how the team is operating. If they agree on the approach and how they feel the team is going to fare. That's acceptable, even if it's not positive?

I agree, you can stop watching. I'm not satisfied and won't be satisfied anymore with just being a competitive playoff team. Every opinion I offer comes from that position.

I really should amend a previous statement. Fans being easily satisfied by an average team, could very well have an effect on how this team operates.

Flyers fans are starved for success. When you're starved, you'll take what you can get. I'm holding out for filet mignon.
- MJL

I don’t think it matters whether I agree with how the team operates or not. I don’t need to agree with how they are building a team to enjoy the product now. I’m not “starved for success”. I want to be entertained. I’ve never been a fan of Filet Mignon. The most boring cut of beef there is in my opinion.

Hill’s just a guy playing behind a way better defense and team then the Flyers but you are right about the rest of it.
- psuhockey

That's an opinion but certainly not a fact. It's a fact that Hill backstopped the team to the Stanley Cup with a .932 SV% and 2.17 GAA in the playoffs. There is no evidence that supports his statement that Vegas does not have a goalie as good as Hart and Ersson. In fact it's the opposite.

I don’t think it matters whether I agree with how the team operates or not. I don’t need to agree with how they are building a team to enjoy the product now. I’m not “starved for success”. I want to be entertained. I’ve never been a fan of Filet Mignon. The most boring cut of beef there is in my opinion.
- Dkos

I'm sure you're aware that the use of filet mignon was just a metaphor.

I'm sure you're aware that the use of filet mignon was just a metaphor.
- MJL

As was mine

As was mine
- Dkos

You place more value on being entertained than the team legitimately competing for the Stanley Cup? Wouldn't the latter be inherently more entertaining?

Hill’s just a guy playing behind a way better defense and team then the Flyers but you are right about the rest of it.
- psuhockey

Hill is not a better tender than hart. He’s playing for a better team and a vastly better d corps. The quality of chances he faces are not comparable. You put hart in Vegas and look out.

That's an opinion but certainly not a fact. It's a fact that Hill backstopped the team to the Stanley Cup with a .932 SV% and 2.17 GAA in the playoffs. There is no evidence that supports his statement that Vegas does not have a goalie as good as Hart and Ersson. In fact it's the opposite.
- MJL

Completely disagree, and that is also an opinion from your end. As you know, it’s a team game. When the tender has a great team in front of them they play a confident game that shows in results and stats. The games I watch Vegas, they have a better forward corps and vastly better d which is reflected in team and goaltender stats. I know it’s been fashionable to blame hart for all the teams ills the last few years, but you put him on a team like Vegas and he’d excel. Hill is good but he’s largely the product of the team in front of him. The solid technique that hart has means that he could really excel with a better squad.

Completely disagree, and that is also an opinion from your end. As you know, it’s a team game. When the tender has a great team in front of them they play a confident game that shows in results and stats. The games I watch Vegas, they have a better forward corps and vastly better d which is reflected in team and goaltender stats. I know it’s been fashionable to blame hart for all the teams ills the last few years, but you put him on a team like Vegas and he’d excel. Hill is good but he’s largely the product of the team in front of him. The solid technique that hart has means that he could really excel with a better squad.
- Hextall271

No, it's not just an opinion on my end. It's based on facts. jd250 posted that Vegas does not have a goalie as good as Hart and Ersson. Based on the available facts, that is simply not true. Regardless of any difference in the team each goaltender plays on. It can't be dismissed how well Hill played in the playoffs. In games where the best teams play each other against the highest quality of opponents. Hill thrived and excelled in the playoffs. It's that simple. It is complete conjecture and completely subjective to say that Hart would excel in the same situation. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Who knows. It's certainly not reasonable to say that Ersson would. There is no factual basis for saying that Vegas doesn't have as good of goaltending as the Flyers do.
Do we discount the top goalies in the league such as Vasilevsky and Shesterkin because they play on top teams? Of course not.
How a goaltender plays in the most difficult levels of competition and how well he plays in those games, is a huge factor. Something Hart and Ersson don't have on their player resumes.
Keep in mind that I'm not saying that Hill is necessarily better than Hart. I'm saying there is no basis to say that Hart is better than Hill.

Here is a key goalie statistic for you to look at. Goals saved above expected. Which is how many goals a goalie saves above what the average goalie would save. Hill is first overall in the league at 12.6. Carter Hart is 35th in the league at .05. Barely above the league average.

Hill is not a better tender than hart. He’s playing for a better team and a vastly better d corps. The quality of chances he faces are not comparable. You put hart in Vegas and look out.
- Hextall271

Can you quantify the quality of chances factually?

Statistically, Vegas gives up a higher quality of chances than the Flyers do this season.

You place more value on being entertained than the team legitimately competing for the Stanley Cup? Wouldn't the latter be inherently more entertaining?
- MJL

This is the best I’ve felt about the team in a long time. The team is winning and playing entertaining hockey, the rookies are playing well, there are good prospects coming to look forward to, and a bunch of high picks in 2024. I’m choosing to enjoy it for now.

Can you quantify the quality of chances factually?
- MJL

Serious question, can you provide the list of the people you’re not allowed to talk to. I’d like to see my place in the standings.
Thanks in advance.

This is the best I’ve felt about the team in a long time. The team is winning and playing entertaining hockey, the rookies are playing well, there are good prospects coming to look forward to, and a bunch of high picks in 2024. I’m choosing to enjoy it for now.
- Dkos

I'm certainly enjoying the play of the team more than in recent seasons, as I'm sure most anyone would. However, I'm just not going to be fooled by it or placated simply by competitiveness. I want the team to win the Stanley Cup again in my lifetime. I'm not going to approve of the team's direction and approach if I don't believe that they are operating in a manner that is conducive to reaching that goal or at least legitimately competing for it.

I'm certainly enjoying the play of the team more than in recent seasons, as I'm sure most anyone would. However, I'm just not going to be fooled by it or placated simply by competitiveness. I want the team to win the Stanley Cup again in my lifetime. I'm not going to approve of the team's direction and approach if I don't believe that they are operating in a manner that is conducive to reaching that goal or at least legitimately competing for it.
- MJL

Have fun

Even the Alumni lines are screwed up - Flyers being Flyers.....
- 4th line of knuckle draggers
- sharp being wasted between 2 slugs
- Lindros and LeClair not on the same line even though thy exhibit tremendous chemistry
- Joe Watson! Talk about that vet-tran presence

You place more value on being entertained than the team legitimately competing for the Stanley Cup? Wouldn't the latter be inherently more entertaining?
- MJL

Personally, I prefer to be entertained. I watched them win 2 SC and their style was by no means entertaining....

This is the best I’ve felt about the team in a long time. The team is winning and playing entertaining hockey, the rookies are playing well, there are good prospects coming to look forward to, and a bunch of high picks in 2024. I’m choosing to enjoy it for now.
- Dkos

Hockey is that, entertainment. I’m also enjoying choosing to enjoy the ride. What I’m not choosing to do is be negative. Nitpicky. I'm choosing to not be stressed out and allow the team to control my emotions because they’re not building my way. I want a Stanley Cup as much as anyone but even if we were building what most would consider “the right way” that’s years away. It’s best to live in the moment than looking too far ahead.

Even the Alumni lines are screwed up - Flyers being Flyers.....
- 4th line of knuckle draggers
- sharp being wasted between 2 slugs
- Lindros and LeClair not on the same line even though thy exhibit tremendous chemistry
- Joe Watson! Talk about that vet-tran presence
- mr4tno

Crazy 8’s!

Yeah I agree LeClair and Lindros have to see a few shifts together. Interesting Danny Briere, Keith Jones and Ian Laperriere aren’t suiting up. They got Sharp and LeClair in.

This is the best I’ve felt about the team in a long time. The team is winning and playing entertaining hockey, the rookies are playing well, there are good prospects coming to look forward to, and a bunch of high picks in 2024. I’m choosing to enjoy it for now.
- Dkos

I hear you. Love seeing the kids playing well despite the argument that Torts only cares about the vets. I'm sure we will hit some rough stretches as the season moves along, but I'm going to enjoy the wins and progress of the kids.

I hear you. Love seeing the kids playing well despite the argument that Torts only cares about the vets. I'm sure we will hit some rough stretches as the season moves along, but I'm going to enjoy the wins and progress of the kids.
- Don Nachbaur

We very well may not make the playoffs but the Devils defense and the way the Pens, Caps and Islanders are tripping over their own skates. We might be gifted an 8th seed. For me, playoffs over everything, even if it means being a sacrificial lamb. At least our current kids get that experience.