Their depth is a soon 39 year old Jeff Carter. Their PP horrible. Big names but high age.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

This is why you do not pay players to play well into their 30's. At least they are not paying him almost $8MM a year....

For some reason, many don't understand that you can completely commit to playing young players and not tank. That you can completely commit to playing young players and the coaching staff can still try to play to win with that on ice roster. Do that and let the chips fall where they will. Fully committing to the youth is not purposely trying to lose.

They are in huge trouble. Another 0 fer on the pp and there’s no chemistry. Guess it wasn’t all hextalls fault if boy genius who led toronto to glory can’t sort these geriatrics out. Haha
- Hextall271

Is there a generational player in this year's draft, because it would be "so Pittsburgh" to bottom out and draft him. They literally have had a generational player since 1984-85, that is almost 4 decades worth of getting to watch pure talent on a nightly basis. In fact, they should be barred from drafting in the first round until 2050.

Is there a generational player in this year's draft, because it would be "so Pittsburgh" to bottom out and draft him. They literally have had a generational player since 1984-85, that is almost 4 decades worth of getting to watch pure talent on a nightly basis. In fact, they should be barred from drafting in the first round until 2050.
- mr4tno

I was thinking that too. Perhaps they are getting a head start on the tank. However, by all accounts there really isn't anyone in this year's draft worth tanking for.

For some reason, many don't understand that you can completely commit to playing young players and not tank. That you can completely commit to playing young players and the coaching staff can still try to play to win with that on ice roster. Do that and let the chips fall where they will. Fully committing to the youth is not purposely trying to lose.
- MJL

More like a select few who just post the most

They are developing young players currently while putting an exciting product on the ice. Young players are contributing and there is no one on the Phantoms that is being held back currently. They have decisions to make on TK, Walker, Laughts and Hart. They should be in no hurry to trade any of them at the moment. Coots isn't going anywhere cause no one wants that contract. I honestly don't understand where folks are coming from here. If they lose 10-2 tonight you'll all be complaining cause the product sucks and is an embarrassment. If they win 10-2 you'll be complaining cause they are fools gold. I simply don't get it. WTF! What would you do differently? And don't say trade Coots cause that ain't happening.
- Phillywhiteout

You said the answer right in there….
No one would take coots contract…
So you need to maximize players with REAl value like you listed hart tk laughts that they need to make decisions on.

So when team says it’s rebuilding it should be expected that’s for future. Why would you sign those players that will become exactly like coots? Contracts that no one will take? It’s a young mans game. Most people realize you can’t build team with so many veterans being expected to carry all the load or most of it.

That’s why this team is fools gold. I’m starting to hear this narrative of team is actually decent or even good and add in a few pieces and mm in a few years and they could contend.

It’s false. You will run into same problems with too many players in or around 30 with prime in rear view mirror with contracts no one will take.

Wash rinse repeat.

I don’t think very many people on this board have any idea of what they want or even what they’re talking about. Some want to tank but complain that Nick Deslauriers and Rasmus Ristolainen are here and playing every night. Sounds like a recipe of tanking to me. Many wanted the kids to play. They’re playing but I don’t believe you can tank and have positive results in developing prospects if you want to throw games. I swear, if most of these guys could do a better job of building a team, they would be in the business. It’s the equivalent of someone seriously hurting themselves, going to see a doctor, the doctor gives you the worst possible case scenario for your recovery and a year later you’re recovered but you’re going round telling people doctors don’t know what they’re talking about. It’s their job to give you the worst case, it’s just up to you to work at getting better. Most of you are screaming from the highest mountains to say we’re being fooled. What are we suppose to do, stop watching? You’re clearly still watching. Hockey is what keeps my winters warm. What are the Flyers suppose to do, cancel each season? Openly tell their fans we’re going to throw every game? Most of what’s said on this board is complaining just to complain. Don’t act like you won’t be right back on the bandwagon the second Michkov steps off the plane in 3 years, even if the team has made zero positive steps. Most importantly don’t insult the rest of us as if you’re above supporting this organization.
- roenick97

Me personally am only about complete tank when generational player is there at draft AND you basically have no top talent coming anytime soon.
Philly isn’t is that spot. They have a lot of young talent and some top end talent coming in next few years.
IMO the obvious next step is to rid players like walker etc for draft capital and use players with real value to get as many high as you can picks to add to the young talent and hopefully get even more top end talent.

You said the answer right in there….
No one would take coots contract…
So you need to maximize players with REAl value like you listed hart tk laughts that they need to make decisions on.

So when team says it’s rebuilding it should be expected that’s for future. Why would you sign those players that will become exactly like coots? Contracts that no one will take? It’s a young mans game. Most people realize you can’t build team with so many veterans being expected to carry all the load or most of it.

That’s why this team is fools gold. I’m starting to hear this narrative of team is actually decent or even good and add in a few pieces and mm in a few years and they could contend.

It’s false. You will run into same problems with too many players in or around 30 with prime in rear view mirror with contracts no one will take.

Wash rinse repeat.
- Stayin alive

I guess we aren't seeing things the same way. Laughts I would absolutely trade and probably Walker too. I struggle with Hart and TK, but for the right deals they have to be moved too I suppose. I guess I am among the folks that think that they can contend in 3 to 5 years. If I don't get what I want for Hart and TK they don't go. This team has young talent with more on the way, and they also have 2 first rounders and 2 second rounder sin this year's draft. That's why management gets paid the big bucks, but I guess I just don't understand the fool's gold thing. I mean, obviously they need at least one (if not two) top notch defenders and centers. We shall see what the new regime can do, but I'm willing to give them a chance to see what they do without just expecting status quo all the time.

Me personally am only about complete tank when generational player is there at draft AND you basically have no top talent coming anytime soon.
Philly isn’t is that spot. They have a lot of young talent and some top end talent coming in next few years.
IMO the obvious next step is to rid players like walker etc for draft capital and use players with real value to get as many high as you can picks to add to the young talent and hopefully get even more top end talent.
- Stayin alive

The Flyers should be completely selective in who they trade. Make trades based on the level of return they can get. I would be open to re-signing a player like Walker to the right deal. Depending on what they can get in a trade. If they can get a first round pick, which I have doubts, then by all means trade him. I don't think I would disagree with a 2nd either. What I'd really like them to do is trade Ristolainen. Don't know if that is possible without taking it on the chin. Trade Ristolainen and sign Walker for a few years to the right deal and that would be a win for the Flyers.

I guess we aren't seeing things the same way. Laughts I would absolutely trade and probably Walker too. I struggle with Hart and TK, but for the right deals they have to be moved too I suppose. I guess I am among the folks that think that they can contend in 3 to 5 years. If I don't get what I want for Hart and TK they don't go. This team has young talent with more on the way, and they also have 2 first rounders and 2 second rounder sin this year's draft. That's why management gets paid the big bucks, but I guess I just don't understand the fool's gold thing.
- Phillywhiteout

Tell me how they build the defense to the quality that they need to contend in 3-5 years? Who are the elite forwards going to be in 3-5 years? Who is the elite #1 center that they'll need in 3-5 years.
The fools gold comes in because of this franchise's track record of what they always do and what they're in the process of doing. That's building a competitive team that fans enjoy watching to play. Instead of trying to build a championship level team. Which by the way, in most examples of history, takes somewhere around 8-10 years.

I don’t think very many people on this board have any idea of what they want or even what they’re talking about. Some want to tank but complain that Nick Deslauriers and Rasmus Ristolainen are here and playing every night. Sounds like a recipe of tanking to me. Many wanted the kids to play. They’re playing but I don’t believe you can tank and have positive results in developing prospects if you want to throw games. I swear, if most of these guys could do a better job of building a team, they would be in the business. It’s the equivalent of someone seriously hurting themselves, going to see a doctor, the doctor gives you the worst possible case scenario for your recovery and a year later you’re recovered but you’re going round telling people doctors don’t know what they’re talking about. It’s their job to give you the worst case, it’s just up to you to work at getting better. Most of you are screaming from the highest mountains to say we’re being fooled. What are we suppose to do, stop watching? You’re clearly still watching. Hockey is what keeps my winters warm. What are the Flyers suppose to do, cancel each season? Openly tell their fans we’re going to throw every game? Most of what’s said on this board is complaining just to complain. Don’t act like you won’t be right back on the bandwagon the second Michkov steps off the plane in 3 years, even if the team has made zero positive steps. Most importantly don’t insult the rest of us as if you’re above supporting this organization.
- roenick97

What you fail to take in to consideration is the fact that over the last decade plus, the Flyers have been so baffling in their approach and their messaging and their performance and their plans that they’ve inflicted on their fans enough “sports-fan trauma” to turn us all in to a bunch of noodle-headed confused fans that have now been psychologically conditioned to take multiple positions on the same issue day in and day out. Are we good, are we bad, are we rebuilding, are we aggressively retooling, are we just a couple players away, are we sellers, are we buyers, do we need elite talent, do we have elite talent, how do we get elite talent, will this be quick, will this take a while, is there to much Gritty, are we playing the kids, are we playing the veterans, if so why are some of the kids kids sitting…

It’s all so jumbled and bumbled that we spout out a lot in this group therapy session on a regular basis hoping someone either reinforces our ideas or points out something good worthy of hope.

I think what pretty much all of us want, is a consistent message, a plan, consistent execution of the plan, and a return to being a Cup contender on a regular basis.

What you fail to take in to consideration is the fact that over the last decade plus, the Flyers have been so baffling in their approach and their messaging and their performance and their plans that they’ve inflicted on their fans enough “sports-fan trauma” to turn us all in to a bunch of noodle-headed confused fans that have now been psychologically conditioned to take multiple positions on the same issue day in and day out. Are we good, are we bad, are we rebuilding, are we aggressively retooling, are we just a couple players away, are we sellers, are we buyers, do we need elite talent, do we have elite talent, how do we get elite talent, will this be quick, will this take a while, is there to much Gritty, are we playing the kids, are we playing the veterans, if so why are some of the kids kids sitting…

It’s all so jumbled and bumbled that we spout out a lot in this group therapy session on a regular basis hoping someone either reinforces our ideas or points out something good worthy of hope.

I think what pretty much all of us want, is a consistent message, a plan, consistent execution of the plan, and a return to being a Cup contender on a regular basis.
- mikeyo27

One of the best posts ever made on HB. Kudos.

The Flyers should be completely selective in who they trade. Make trades based on the level of return they can get. I would be open to re-signing a player like Walker to the right deal. Depending on what they can get in a trade. If they can get a first round pick, which I have doubts, then by all means trade him. I don't think I would disagree with a 2nd either. What I'd really like them to do is trade Ristolainen. Don't know if that is possible without taking it on the chin. Trade Ristolainen and sign Walker for a few years to the right deal and that would be a win for the Flyers.
- MJL

what's the right deal to you? dont just say it provide some figures money wise and term wise. Now we all know you will not do that but hey what one can hope.

What you fail to take in to consideration is the fact that over the last decade plus, the Flyers have been so baffling in their approach and their messaging and their performance and their plans that they’ve inflicted on their fans enough “sports-fan trauma” to turn us all in to a bunch of noodle-headed confused fans that have now been psychologically conditioned to take multiple positions on the same issue day in and day out. Are we good, are we bad, are we rebuilding, are we aggressively retooling, are we just a couple players away, are we sellers, are we buyers, do we need elite talent, do we have elite talent, how do we get elite talent, will this be quick, will this take a while, is there to much Gritty, are we playing the kids, are we playing the veterans, if so why are some of the kids kids sitting…

It’s all so jumbled and bumbled that we spout out a lot in this group therapy session on a regular basis hoping someone either reinforces our ideas or points out something good worthy of hope.

I think what pretty much all of us want, is a consistent message, a plan, consistent execution of the plan, and a return to being a Cup contender on a regular basis.
- mikeyo27

What you fail to take in to consideration is the fact that over the last decade plus, the Flyers have been so baffling in their approach and their messaging and their performance and their plans that they’ve inflicted on their fans enough “sports-fan trauma” to turn us all in to a bunch of noodle-headed confused fans that have now been psychologically conditioned to take multiple positions on the same issue day in and day out. Are we good, are we bad, are we rebuilding, are we aggressively retooling, are we just a couple players away, are we sellers, are we buyers, do we need elite talent, do we have elite talent, how do we get elite talent, will this be quick, will this take a while, is there to much Gritty, are we playing the kids, are we playing the veterans, if so why are some of the kids kids sitting…

It’s all so jumbled and bumbled that we spout out a lot in this group therapy session on a regular basis hoping someone either reinforces our ideas or points out something good worthy of hope.

I think what pretty much all of us want, is a consistent message, a plan, consistent execution of the plan, and a return to being a Cup contender on a regular basis.
- mikeyo27

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What you fail to take in to consideration is the fact that over the last decade plus, the Flyers have been so baffling in their approach and their messaging and their performance and their plans that they’ve inflicted on their fans enough “sports-fan trauma” to turn us all in to a bunch of noodle-headed confused fans that have now been psychologically conditioned to take multiple positions on the same issue day in and day out. Are we good, are we bad, are we rebuilding, are we aggressively retooling, are we just a couple players away, are we sellers, are we buyers, do we need elite talent, do we have elite talent, how do we get elite talent, will this be quick, will this take a while, is there to much Gritty, are we playing the kids, are we playing the veterans, if so why are some of the kids kids sitting…

It’s all so jumbled and bumbled that we spout out a lot in this group therapy session on a regular basis hoping someone either reinforces our ideas or points out something good worthy of hope.

I think what pretty much all of us want, is a consistent message, a plan, consistent execution of the plan, and a return to being a Cup contender on a regular basis.
- mikeyo27

Over a decade plus? We made it to the Stanley Cup Final in 2010. I’ll agree that the Flyers might need to get with the times and have a consistent direction but the circle of life will tell you that every organizations time comes to an end. Detroit was the team to model themselves after. Not anyone. Chicago the same. Not anymore. Just look at your watch. Give things time.

Over a decade plus? We made it to the Stanley Cup Final in 2010. I’ll agree that the Flyers might need to get with the times and have a consistent direction but the circle of life will tell you that every organizations time comes to an end. Detroit was the team to model themselves after. Not anyone. Chicago the same. Not anymore. Just look at your watch. Give things time.
- roenick97

So...over a decade plus?

7 D, will ND get more ice time will 1
Less forward, not sure Torts can skate the other forwards more, especially vs the Avs

Over a decade plus? We made it to the Stanley Cup Final in 2010. I’ll agree that the Flyers might need to get with the times and have a consistent direction but the circle of life will tell you that every organizations time comes to an end. Detroit was the team to model themselves after. Not anyone. Chicago the same. Not anymore. Just look at your watch. Give things time.
- roenick97

chicago not any more? they tanked to get toews and kane and tanked to get bedard