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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 29 @ 12:58 PM ET
Cutter doesn’t look engaged at all
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Dec 29 @ 1:05 PM ET
I’m not sure snowflakes is the right description…I took it as more both did not fit under their current direction. Same goes for Hayes. All 3 guys pretty good hockey players, but the Flyers appear much better without.
- landros 2
I think they are all snowflakes. Provorov lost his way. I thought he was better than this, but I guess the losing wore him down. Angelo is just a turd in the punch bowl and Hayes is about as soft as it gets for a player of his stature. Perhaps you are right about the snowflake description being wrong, but you get the point.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Dec 29 @ 1:06 PM ET
I have to admit though, if Tortorella coached the Flyers to multiple cups like Cooper has in TB. I'd be willing to overlook a lot of things.
- MJL
This is stupid comment! If Torts had the roster that Cooper has I'll guarantee that Torts would replicate what he did in Tampa back in 2004. Eh what?
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Dec 29 @ 1:08 PM ET
Torts and the Dubois Situation
Tortorella is constantly criticized for alienating his players. Several press reports blamed him after star center Pierre-Luc Dubois demanded a trade in January (“Pierre-Luc Dubois is another star his coach has thrown away”). “Tortorella has always used a tough-love approach and, while it doesn’t work for all, just look at how things panned out between him and center Pierre-Luc Dubois,” wrote Andrew Steele-Davis for Puck Prose.

But those comments aren’t justified. Tortorella was not the reason Dubois wanted a trade from Columbus. How do we know? Here’s what Dubois had to say:

“He’s a hard coach, I can take it. Nothing’s personal. I grew up with a dad who’s a coach and he told me if a coach challenges you, it’s never personal; he just wants what’s best for you. And that’s how I see ‘Torts’ and I have nothing but respect for him.

“Dubois doesn’t blame Tortorella after trade from Blue Jackets to Jets,” Tim Campbell, NHL.com Staff, Jan. 24, 2021
“I have nothing but respect for him.”

Does that sound like a player who has been “thrown away” by his coach? Do those words sound like Tortorella’s “tough-love approach” didn’t work?

What His Players Had to Say About Torts
Here’s what the Blue Jackets players had to say about their former coach in the exit interviews (listed alphabetically):

Cam Atkinson:
“Torts was my coach for the last six years, so not matter what, it’s going to be different. The expectations of training camp, of how you practice, and how you approach a game, I think that’s definitely helped me become the player I am today, for sure, there’s no question. How you prepare and stuff like that. So, whoever (general manager) Jarmo (Kekäläinen) does bring in its, uh, I know how to prepare, I know how to get ready for a game, and practice, and training camp, and stuff like that. So, as well as every other guy that’s been here, that’s been playing under Torts for at least two to the six years that he’s been here, so, um, yeah. It’s going to be very tough to replace John Tortorella. Just look at his resume.”

[Atkinson also talked about the culture of expecting to win.] “It started with Torts and that trickle-down effect for the players and everyone believing and buying in, and that brick-by-brick mentality. I think Torts has done a great job at instilling that within our system and the leaders that, um, we know what it takes to win.”


[And there’s this comment.] “It’s been six years together. Learned a lot from him. Definitely grown, not just as a hockey player, but as a person. That’s all you want as a player. A coach that trusts you,” (from John Tortorella won’t be back as coach of Columbus Blue Jackets)

Oliver Bjorkstrand:
“As far as obviously Torts, yeah, it’s going to be different, too. He’s obviously going to be missed. But at the same time, he’s the only coach I’ve had in the NHL, so I also excited to try something new and see what that is. We’ve got to remember a lot of the stuff Torts taught us here about hard work, battling, um, just the right way to play.”

Max Domi:
“I think Torts did a great job of holding us all on board here and kind of steering the ship in the direction that he knew he could. I think Torts is a great human being. I certainly learned a lot from him and really appreciate everything he did. For me personally, it sucks when you have a short little window to showcase you as a human, as a person, to your coach. I definitely (chuckles) let him down a little bit to the way I played, so I take that upon myself. But I feel very thankful that I had a chance to play for a future Hall of Fame coach, for sure. He’s a special guy, and I definitely didn’t get to know him as well as I would have liked to. I really appreciate everything he did for me.”

Boone Jenner:
“(Tortorella) has put a big impact on this club, a lot of guys in the room, myself, the whole organization. So, you know, I think Torts mostly talks about the process, and I think that’s what I’m going to miss the most with him. The stuff we’ve went through over the past six years with him, the ups and the downs, all that kind of brought us together and gave us some good success, and I’m going to miss that, for sure. Going through it together, with him, with the guys in the room, when you look back, it’s pretty special, and I’m pretty proud to be a part of it, so, yeah, I’m going to miss that for sure.”

Seth Jones:
”He always found a way to motivate us with a speech. Obviously, he was a very fiery coach and a very emotional coach at times, but at the end of the day he wanted to win just as bad as we did. And he was one of the most passionate coaches I’ve ever played for. And he’s definitely helped my development through these five years I’ve been here, tremendously. The player I’ve grown into, he’s definitely had a key role in that.”

Joonas Korpisalo:
[When asked by my THW colleague Mark Scheig: How has Tortorella helped you?] “Bigtime. It’s six years with him. I was 21 years old when he came in. I was a rookie back then. Just how he handled everything here. I always respected him, and I think me growing as a player and more as a person with him, you know. What he expected of me every day. Every day I was coming to the rink, and he was being honest every time. It grew me as a person a lot, and just being thankful for him being always honest. I respect him a lot. Great season with him – I learned a lot, for sure.”

Elvis Merzlikins:
“Great coach. Great person. Sad that I’m not going to have (the) opportunity to work with him anymore now. He teached me a lot. He was the guy who settled me down and gave me the chance to understand the league. He was the guy who calmed me down, who gave me the opportunity to grow as a man, even outside of hockey, so I’m really, really thankful for that help and, obviously, I’m going to miss that kind of personality.”

Jack Roslovic:
“To have him there to help me grow, I think it went well. He definitely helped me out. It was definitely, you know, harder times than not, so it was one way that I like to learn.”

Zach Werenski:
“Personally, I love Torts. Me and Torts went through it. My first year I came in, it was smooth sailing. My second and third years, I had some struggles defensively. He was hard on me; he pushed me to be better. And I think as of the last few years, just going through that process with him, becoming a better hockey player, seeing what he means to the room, the city, the organization. I’m very honored to have played for him for the first five years of my career, and, you know, it was awesome. I loved playing for him for every minute. And I think it will be weird. I’ve only had one coach in the NHL, so I’m not too sure what to expect with a different one, but obviously, he set the bar high, and, like I said, I really enjoyed playing for him. It’s tough when your only coach and a guy you have that much respect for moves on, but I wish him nothing but the best. Like I said, it was awesome to play for him, and it was an honor.”

The players “learned from him,” and he “taught” them and helped them “grow.” He “will be missed” and has the players’ “respect.” He’ll be “tough to replace.” That is how his players describe Tortorella.

Not Sucking Up
We know this wasn’t an attempt to curry favor, because they knew he wouldn’t be their coach next season. Yes, they could be reunited years later. It happened to the 2020-21 Blue Jackets. Michael Del Zotto was a rookie with the New York Rangers when he was first coached by Tortorella. Torts recalled that it wasn’t an easy time:

I had Del Z when he came in as a first-year player in New York — full of swagger, sometimes a little bit too much swagger. (He) went through the process with me. Sent him down, wasn’t happy — all that stuff that we always talk about when you’re developing with a young guy, he went through it with me.

“Del Zotto, Tortorella together again with Blue Jackets,” Jeff Svoboda, BlueJackets.com, Jan. 17, 2021
Here’s what Del Zotto had to say about Torts:

“The thing with Torts, you know where you stand with him. He’s brutally honest. If you can take it, if you have thick skin, there’s no other coach you’d rather play for. When you play for coaches where you don’t know where you stand, it’s tough to have a conversation with (them). You’re not sure if they’re telling the truth or not with you. With him, you know where you stand every day, and that’s very hard to find. He wears his heart on his sleeve, too. He would do anything for his players.”

“Del Zotto, Tortorella together again with Blue Jackets,” Jeff Svoboda, BlueJackets.com, Jan. 17, 2021
“He would do anything for his players.”

That may not be the version of Tortorella that the media likes to portray, but it’s the one his players know.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 1:09 PM ET
This is stupid comment! If Torts had the roster that Cooper has I'll guarantee that Torts would replicate what he did in Tampa back in 2004. Eh what?
- Phillywhiteout


You're absolutely hysterical. You really are.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Dec 29 @ 1:12 PM ET
You're absolutely hysterical. You really are.

- MJL


see my post above.

are you saying all of these guys are wrong and you are right?

all of these comments were made about a coach they knew was already leaving - so they aren't just saying things for favorable treatment.

these are things that are consistently dismissed by you. nothing illogical or unintelligent about what I said at all.

but you'll see what you want to see i guess
Angus4444
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2018

Dec 29 @ 2:41 PM ET
Not sure I agree with you. Go check the comments right around the time the Flyers scored those three goals last night. Most of the conversation was about what MJL would think about it (and he didn't even seem to be around at the time). On a daily basis more than half the posts here seem to be aimed at him; including yours (and this one!).
- Dkos

(Who cares !) 🤣
Angus4444
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2018

Dec 29 @ 2:42 PM ET
Exactly. It's pretty sad actually.

- MJL

What’s sad is you being on here 24/7. Can we have a party when you hit a million posts. I’ll bring the cake .
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 2:46 PM ET
What’s sad is you being on here 24/7. Can we have a party when you hit a million posts. I’ll bring the cake .
- Angus4444


How do you know that I'm on here 24/7?
Angus4444
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2018

Dec 29 @ 2:56 PM ET
How do you know that I'm on here 24/7?
- MJL

Wow I’m back. Because when I hit on the comments and skip most of your post then look at the timeline. When do you have time to shower ?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 3:27 PM ET
Wow I’m back. Because when I hit on the comments and skip most of your post then look at the timeline. When do you have time to shower ?
- Angus4444


Can you link to any posts that I've made in the middle of the night? Say at 2, 3 or 4 AM? If what you claim is true, that I'm on here 24/7, that shouldn't be that hard to do.

I'm not sure if you realize it or not, but you're having a conversation with someone that you claim you wouldn't have a beer with.
Angus4444
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2018

Dec 29 @ 4:01 PM ET
Can you link to any posts that I've made in the middle of the night? Say at 2, 3 or 4 AM? If what you claim is true, that I'm on here 24/7, that shouldn't be that hard to do.

I'm not sure if you realize it or not, but you're having a conversation with someone that you claim you wouldn't have a beer with.

- MJL

Didn’t you ban yourself from talking to me ?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 4:34 PM ET
Didn’t you ban yourself from talking to me ?
- Angus4444


I did but temporarily suspended to prove an obvious point. What are you waiting for? Where is that link? Shouldn't be that hard.
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