Easy to say this year. Wait and see what he does next year in his contract year.
- UsernameUnknown

It would be a disaster if he had a world beater contract year and managed to milk this team for even more money.

For a guy who allegedly earns the buck by being so elite defensively, he has more giveaways than Willy with less takeaways. His +/- has been worse all season until last night, he has less shorthanded goals ffs.

Marner is getting lapped by Willy in a number of defensive metrics, yet when someone is horny to cut down Willy it's about Willy not getting a pass defensively because he scores points. He's (frank)in scoring more than Marner too 🤷

Whatever Willy gets Marner deserves 500k less minimum or its a hard pass, and that's before you calculate in how bad he (frank)ed the team on his current contract. The guy played the overpay me or I sit hand because he felt entitled to bonus BS and won, this time he should be voluntold to pack his poop. If he cared about the team he wouldn't have leveraged them for extra zeroes.

It’s you’re female doging and whining about a winger on a 120P pace you’re insane. The End.
- Dozzer

It's interesting but more than a third of the way through the season and Nylander has scored in all but 4 games this year. He's tied for 3rd in league scoring and makes less than any player in the top ten in scoring except Sam Reinhart. Nylander is easily one of the best contracts in the NHL right now.

How about Marner, Niemela and a 2nd for Stolarz, Reinhart and Montour (all three UFA's)

Make him play without Matthews. This year it has been obvious who needs who.
- jribout

Marner gets points where ever he plays.
His linemates usually have career year.

Marner gets points where ever he plays.
His linemates usually have career year.
- Fakepartofme

Didn't he go almost a year without a goal on one of the best PP in the league?

At least we addressed the real issue with this team that has led to several years of futility…

David Kampf

It would be a disaster if he had a world beater contract year and managed to milk this team for even more money.

For a guy who allegedly earns the buck by being so elite defensively, he has more giveaways than Willy with less takeaways. His +/- has been worse all season until last night, he has less shorthanded goals ffs.

Marner is getting lapped by Willy in a number of defensive metrics, yet when someone is horny to cut down Willy it's about Willy not getting a pass because he scores points. He's (frank)in scoring more than Marner too 🤷

Whatever Willy gets Marner deserves 500k less minimum or its a hard pass.
- joel878

What defensive metrics is willy lapping marner in?
Marner got overpaid in his 2nd contract to make up for the lack of bonus lou gave him. I wasn't a fan of his contract, but lets not get foolish. Willie isnt better than Marner yet, hes definitely closed the gap the past year or two. But its a contract year for willie, of course hes lighting it up.
I get aa has a ridiculous hate on for willie, but that doesnt make him better than Marner. Cause he isnt just yet. Better scorer perhaps.

Either way, the leafs cant afford both willie and Marner anymore, one has to go. Dont care which one.

Marner gets points where ever he plays.
His linemates usually have career year.
- Fakepartofme

Over the past few years his Pts have gone down away from Matthews, and his +/- way down

What defensive metrics is willy lapping marner in?
Marner got overpaid in his 2nd contract to make up for the lack of bonus lou gave him. I wasn't a fan of his contract, but lets not get foolish. Willie isnt better than Marner yet, hes definitely closed the gap the past year or two. But its a contract year for willie, of course hes lighting it up.
I get aa has a ridiculous hate on for willie, but that doesnt make him better than Marner. Cause he isnt just yet. Better scorer perhaps.

Either way, the leafs cant afford both willie and Marner anymore, one has to go. Dont care which one.
- Fakepartofme

The bonus thing with Lou is something that should never have been catered to, that's not how it works.

He willingly signed the contract with no bonuses. You don't get to negotiate your raise in any profession and go oh yeah you need to insanely overpay me this time around because the last time I signed a contract I decided to sign without getting bonus dollars I wanted.

Can you imagine if anyone else on the team walked in and went yeah, I need 7 mil this time because I've been worth 4 and playing for 1. Ridiculous. And that's before you pull it on your hometown team you know is cap strapped and in a position their fanbase is demanding to win.

Over the past few years his Pts have gone down away from Matthews, and his +/- way down
- jribout

The greatest 100 point player that never scored 100 points in a season. He's not an $11M player and now he's coming up for a new contract in a year and a half. He doesn't deserve that kind of money.

The greatest 100 point player that never scored 100 points in a season. He's not an $11M player and now he's coming up for a new contract in a year and a half. He doesn't deserve that kind of money.
- PrinceLH

I've been saying it since day 1, Rantanen was the comparable (he's better than Marner in a number of ways) and any penny paid to Marner over what Rantanen got is straight overpayment.

By the end of both their contracts Marner is an entire 9 million ahead, and Rantanen has a cup ring.

The only thing Dubas did worse than the Kadri trade.

The bonus thing with Lou is something that should never have been catered to, that's not how it works.

He willingly signed the contract with no bonuses. You don't get to negotiate your raise in any profession and go oh yeah you need to insanely overpay me this time around because the last time I signed a contract I decided to sign without getting bonus dollars I wanted.

Can you imagine if anyone else on the team walked in and went yeah, I need 7 mil this time because I've been worth 4 and playing for 1. Ridiculous. And that's before you pull it on your hometown team you know is cap strapped and in a position their fanbase is demanding to win.
- joel878

Not saying i agree with it but thats apparently what occurred.
Either way, time to spread the cap space around, in the off season

The bonus thing with Lou is something that should never have been catered to, that's not how it works.

He willingly signed the contract with no bonuses. You don't get to negotiate your raise in any profession and go oh yeah you need to insanely overpay me this time around because the last time I signed a contract I decided to sign without getting bonus dollars I wanted.

Can you imagine if anyone else on the team walked in and went yeah, I need 7 mil this time because I've been worth 4 and playing for 1. Ridiculous. And that's before you pull it on your hometown team you know is cap strapped and in a position their fanbase is demanding to win.
- joel878

It's the reason that Willy wants that kind of money. If Marner had been paid $9M back then, Nylander would have signed for under $10M this year. Dubas was a Dofus and it caused this issue. No to an $11M contract for Willy. Here's your $9.75M and take it or leave it. Move his a$$ for some defensive help.

What defensive metrics is willy lapping marner in?
Marner got overpaid in his 2nd contract to make up for the lack of bonus lou gave him. I wasn't a fan of his contract, but lets not get foolish. Willie isnt better than Marner yet, hes definitely closed the gap the past year or two. But its a contract year for willie, of course hes lighting it up.
I get aa has a ridiculous hate on for willie, but that doesnt make him better than Marner. Cause he isnt just yet. Better scorer perhaps.

Either way, the leafs cant afford both willie and Marner anymore, one has to go. Dont care which one.
- Fakepartofme

No I don’t.

I just think his defensive game is nonexistent and the Leafs have to consider that when deciding which direction they want to take the team.

I identified what I believe to be a major problem, and I’m offering solutions to correct it.

All these little outburst of anger towards me is because they can’t accept that I’m right about this. I called all of this, the hot start because it’s a contract year. But now that the defensive cracks are too big to ignore, Keefe will start reining him in, which will hurt his trade value.

I can’t help but imagine Treliving has seen enough, and both Keefe and Willy are on their way out. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

It's the reason that Willy wants that kind of money. If Marner had been paid $9M back then, Nylander would have signed for under $10M this year. Dubas was a Dofus and it caused this issue. No to an $11M contract for Willy. Here's your $9.75M and take it or leave it. Move his a$$ for some defensive help.
- PrinceLH

I prefer the money be spent on Willy over Marner, and I agree with you. Willy is another that continuously has said he wants to be in Toronto. Well, here's what it pays. Take it or leave it.

There should only be room for one long term now, and due to Marners greed the first time around Willy has the first shot. If Willy wants to extend at a number that's reasonable for the team, trade Marner in the summer.

The greatest 100 point player that never scored 100 points in a season. He's not an $11M player and now he's coming up for a new contract in a year and a half. He doesn't deserve that kind of money.
- PrinceLH

He will get at least a 11 million.

What defensive metrics is willy lapping marner in?
Marner got overpaid in his 2nd contract to make up for the lack of bonus lou gave him. I wasn't a fan of his contract, but lets not get foolish. Willie isnt better than Marner yet, hes definitely closed the gap the past year or two. But its a contract year for willie, of course hes lighting it up.
I get aa has a ridiculous hate on for willie, but that doesnt make him better than Marner. Cause he isnt just yet. Better scorer perhaps.

Either way, the leafs cant afford both willie and Marner anymore, one has to go. Dont care which one.
- Fakepartofme

The thing is, they can afford both. What they can't afford is to pay $5M for a middle of the road d-man like Brodie, or $8.5M for two non producers like Domi and Bertuzzi. While Panthers are paying $3.5M for Montour and Forsling for $2.667M, Leafs have Brodie at $5M.

The bonus thing with Lou is something that should never have been catered to, that's not how it works.

He willingly signed the contract with no bonuses. You don't get to negotiate your raise in any profession and go oh yeah you need to insanely overpay me this time around because the last time I signed a contract I decided to sign without getting bonus dollars I wanted.

Can you imagine if anyone else on the team walked in and went yeah, I need 7 mil this time because I've been worth 4 and playing for 1. Ridiculous. And that's before you pull it on your hometown team you know is cap strapped and in a position their fanbase is demanding to win.
- joel878

So if Willy hires Mitch's agent he is getting 16 million

No I don’t.

I just think his defensive game is nonexistent and the Leafs have to consider that when deciding which direction they want to take the team.

I identified what I believe to be a major problem, and I’m offering solutions to correct it.

All these little outburst of anger towards me is because they can’t accept that I’m right about this. I called all of this, the hot start because it’s a contract year. But now that the defensive cracks are too big to ignore, Keefe will start reining him in, which will hurt his trade value.

I can’t help but imagine Treliving has seen enough, and both Keefe and Willy are on their way out. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Hold on. Your solution to fixing the team this year is trading a 120 point (pace) forward making 6.9 million? You really think Treliving has seen enough of that?

I prefer the money be spent on Willy over Marner, and I agree with you. Willy is another that continuously has said he wants to be in Toronto. Well, here's what it pays. Take it or leave it.

There should only be room for one long term now, and due to Marners greed the first time around Willy has the first shot. If Willy wants to extend at a number that's reasonable for the team, trade Marner in the summer.
- joel878

So did Keefe specifically call out Nylander's poor defensive play in the presser? I mean boy genius pretty much guaranteed he would right?

Hold on. Your solution to fixing the team this year is trading a 120 point (pace) forward making 6.9 million? You really think Treliving has seen enough of that?
- PlatosRepucklic

He’s a minus (-) on the season.

I think Tre sees someone whose value will never be higher, and someone who’s demanding way too much money. Brad was brought in to change things. He’s not going to let an asset like Willy walk for nothing. Going into the playoffs with essentially the same lineup is insanity. So he’s going to trade him. Only the dumbest people think WN88 is worth north of 10M. Tre won’t do it.

The thing is, they can afford both. What they can't afford is to pay $5M for a middle of the road d-man like Brodie, or $8.5M for two non producers like Domi and Bertuzzi. While Panthers are paying $3.5M for Montour and Forsling for $2.667M, Leafs have Brodie at $5M.

- winsix

Add Klingon, Muzzin and Murray to the cap space free-up this summer

He’s a -4 on the season.

I think Tre sees someone whose value will never be higher, and someone who’s demanding way too much money. Brad was brought in to change things. He’s not going to let an asset like Willy walk for nothing. Going into the playoffs with essentially the same lineup is insanity. So he’s going to trade him. Only the dumbest people think WN88 is worth north of 10M. Tre won’t do it.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I think you are lying. Not many think he is worth 10 m but he will get it somewhere because of guys like Mitch being overpaid

Classic playoff-type game.

Classic Marner playoff-type performance.

Interesting.

He’s a minus (-) on the season.

I think Tre sees someone whose value will never be higher, and someone who’s demanding way too much money. Brad was brought in to change things. He’s not going to let an asset like Willy walk for nothing. Going into the playoffs with essentially the same lineup is insanity. So he’s going to trade him. Only the dumbest people think WN88 is worth north of 10M. Tre won’t do it.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Are you gonna stake your HB career on it?

So did Keefe specifically call out Nylander's poor defensive play in the presser? I mean boy genius pretty much guaranteed he would right?
- jribout

I don't need to watch Keefes presser to know that every proclamation genius makes is stupid and going to age poorly.

But I'll still be here with my popcorn for the speech about mitch being abused and it being because everyone is angry or something.