Team Canada was not a favourite going into this tournament. It's USA's to lose.
- mjones242

They were favoured to go farther than Czechia though. I don't want to see it be like the women's game where only 2 teams can compete.

Don't let false equivalences stop your from making a hilarrrrrious joke!
- mjones242

Try to keep up. The false equivalency is tying Canada’s performance to how the Leafs are structured. “Back to basics, build from the goal out, etc.” That assumes that you can decide or not decide to follow the Leafs blueprint and put all your emphasis on skilled forwards or whatever sin you think the Leafs have made.

The fact is that every year Canada and others simply choose from the available class of eligible players. This year that class wasn’t great for Canada who wasn’t considered in the top tier.

Hope that helps.

There's no way Nylander gets traded in-season but, and to play Devil's Advocate, that doesn't mean that it's necessarily a terrible idea.

Trades aren't zero sum affairs - just because you're not getting the best player back doesn't mean it's not the right move to make.

Any deal would have to be a "hockey trade" where the Leafs get back something significant in return that can address team needs - namely, a stud defender who can play big, shutdown minutes. Any picks/prospects returned would only be necessary to try to create balance (e.g. Willie is likely the "best" player in the deal, so the dance partner would need to sweeten the pot).

Suffice it to say, this team is destined to "run it back" again with their Core 4 + Rielly. And it's a (frank)ing terrible idea and we all know it because history is more than likely to repeat itself.
- mjones242

I’ve said before trading him for a top tier defencman is a possibility. Having some picks and prospects thrown into a Nylander trade is fine. Trading him for picks and prospects isn’t.

Is there a reason we have to keep looking at a dogs bumhole everytime we open this thread? Mike?...Dozzer?

2024 Resolutions for all Augello'ers ..

1. Be less sensitive;
2. Be less repetitive;
3. Be less absolute in your opinions; and for gods sake ..
4. Thicken your neck;

Try to keep up. The false equivalency is tying Canada’s performance to how the Leafs are structured. “Back to basics, build from the goal out, etc.” That assumes that you can decide or not decide to follow the Leafs blueprint and put all your emphasis on skilled forwards or whatever sin you think the Leafs have made.

The fact is that every year Canada and others simply choose from the available class of eligible players. This year that class wasn’t great for Canada who wasn’t considered in the top tier.

Hope that helps.
- Canada Cup

Also, build from the net out is one of those sage Burkie aphorisms that don't mean much. If I was drafting for a rebuilding team I'd be taking the best player available.
Come to think of it, Burke's idea of building from the net out was Monster and Phaneuf. In Vancouver his building from the net out was drafting the Sedins.

2024 Resolutions for all Augello'ers ..

1. Be less sensitive;
2. Be less repetitive;
3. Be less absolute in your opinions; and for gods sake ..
4. Thicken your neck;
- The Law

Shut the (frank) up
6-0 Leafs, it's a lock

I banned my family.
- Marwood

Rittich starting eh

🙄😞

- Arctic_AARDVARK

quote=nbboy]Is there a reason we have to keep looking at a dogs bumhole everytime we open this thread? Mike?...Dozzer?


Perhaps it’s because the thread isn’t lorded over by super sensitive, self serving tyrants anymore?

Just a guess.

There's no way Nylander gets traded in-season but, and to play Devil's Advocate, that doesn't mean that it's necessarily a terrible idea.

Trades aren't zero sum affairs - just because you're not getting the best player back doesn't mean it's not the right move to make.

Any deal would have to be a "hockey trade" where the Leafs get back something significant in return that can address team needs - namely, a stud defender who can play big, shutdown minutes. Any picks/prospects returned would only be necessary to try to create balance (e.g. Willie is likely the "best" player in the deal, so the dance partner would need to sweeten the pot).

Suffice it to say, this team is destined to "run it back" again with their Core 4 + Rielly. And it's a (frank)ing terrible idea and we all know it because history is more than likely to repeat itself.
- mjones242

There will never be a better opportunity to trade for a top pairing D than right now with Willy.

But who you ask? I dunno. Dobson, Pesce, Matheson? Who cares. Just get someone + picks or prospects to shake things up. Maybe the immediate return won’t be more than Willy, but the benefits from culture change, and better defence will make it worth it. I enjoy being a fan most when I’m excited for the future, and having some grade A prospects in the system makes it more fun. The Habs, Yotes, Hawks all suck (frank)ing poop, but their fans are really excited about the future, like we were 7-8 years ago.

I’ve been saying this for over a year now, the window is going to start closing. If there’s no prospects coming up in the system, then it’s not going to last. They’ll have to get desperate and make bad trades to stay in contention. Right now is the most critical time. They’re in the middle of re-signing their stars with a new GM. I gotta think Tre has seen enough of this group the way it’s constructed, and changes are coming.

But we’ll have to wait and see.

[quote=DrunkenCanuck]

(frank) off Goof

[quote=DrunkenCanuck]

(frank) off Goof
- nbboy

Good one Randy, good one.

I’ve said before trading him for a top tier defencman is a possibility. Having some picks and prospects thrown into a Nylander trade is fine. Trading him for picks and prospects isn’t.
- Canada Cup

I agree with this.

If you trade Willy this season, it's for a stud defender PLUS, not just the plus...but if there is any chance he wants to walk and get too greedy, trade that female genitalia now!


Off the books this summer:

Forwards: Domi, Bert, McMann, NYLANDER = $16M

Defense: Brodie, Gio, Laugesson, Muzzin, Klingberg, Timmins = $17M

G: Samsonov Martin Jones, Matt Murray = $4M

AND the Cap goes up = ~ $5M

TOTAL SPENDING POWER THIS SUMMER = $42M

If Willy gets $10M, Leafs would have $32M and this line up:

Knies, Matthews, Marner
????, Tavares, Nylander
Robertson, ????, Jarnkrok
????, ????, Reaves

Rielly, ????
McCabe, Lily
Beniot (RFA), ????

Woll
?????

$32M for top 6 winger, 3rd line C, 2 bottom 6ers, top 2 defender, and at least one bottom pairing RD and a Starting G or solid AF Backup for behind Woll???

I mean, I guess it could work if you keep Willy. But then the next season JT takes a cut and Marner needs a raise so probably a wash there.

Bottomline, Leafs have $32M or so, if they get Willy at $10m, to fill out a chunk of the roster over the next few season before losing Matthews if the keep the Core 5 together.

Not sure. Not sure at all.

Good one Randy, good one.
- DrunkenCanuck

Just here to talk hockey right?

Try to keep up. The false equivalency is tying Canada’s performance to how the Leafs are structured. “Back to basics, build from the goal out, etc.” That assumes that you can decide or not decide to follow the Leafs blueprint and put all your emphasis on skilled forwards or whatever sin you think the Leafs have made.

The fact is that every year Canada and others simply choose from the available class of eligible players. This year that class wasn’t great for Canada who wasn’t considered in the top tier.

Hope that helps.
- Canada Cup

You’re entirely missing the point.


Canada has fallen behind on developing goalies especially, and a bit on defence too.

Of course they pick the best available players

There's no way Nylander gets traded in-season but, and to play Devil's Advocate, that doesn't mean that it's necessarily a terrible idea.

Trades aren't zero sum affairs - just because you're not getting the best player back doesn't mean it's not the right move to make.

Any deal would have to be a "hockey trade" where the Leafs get back something significant in return that can address team needs - namely, a stud defender who can play big, shutdown minutes. Any picks/prospects returned would only be necessary to try to create balance (e.g. Willie is likely the "best" player in the deal, so the dance partner would need to sweeten the pot).

Suffice it to say, this team is destined to "run it back" again with their Core 4 + Rielly. And it's a (frank)ing terrible idea and we all know it because history is more than likely to repeat itself.
- mjones242

Its January ffs

This time last year the Panthers weren't even in a playoff spot

Just here to talk hockey right?
- nbboy

Absolutely.

How’s your new Heat Pump working?

Shut the (frank) up
6-0 Leafs, it's a lock

- Zezel

That's a start .....could you at least work on your neck?

I agree with this.

If you trade Willy this season, it's for a stud defender PLUS, not just the plus...but if there is any chance he wants to walk and get too greedy, trade that female genitalia now!


Off the books this summer:

Forwards: Domi, Bert, McMann, NYLANDER = $16M

Defense: Brodie, Gio, Laugesson, Muzzin, Klingberg, Timmins = $17M

G: Samsonov Martin Jones, Matt Murray = $4M

AND the Cap goes up = ~ $5M

TOTAL SPENDING POWER THIS SUMMER = $42M

If Willy gets $10M, Leafs would have $32M and this line up:

Knies, Matthews, Marner
Gregor, Tavares, Nylander
Robertson, Jenner, Jarnkrok
Bellows, Kant, Reaves

Rielly, Tanev
McCabe, Lily
Beniot (RFA), Niemela

Woll
🧟‍♂️

$32M for top 6 winger, 3rd line C, 2 bottom 6ers, top 2 defender, and at least one bottom pairing RD and a Starting G or solid AF Backup for behind Woll???

I mean, I guess it could work if you keep Willy. But then the next season JT takes a cut and Marner needs a raise so probably a wash there.

Bottomline, Leafs have $32M or so, if they get Willy at $10m, to fill out a chunk of the roster over the next few season before losing Matthews if the keep the Core 5 together.

Not sure. Not sure at all.
- underhill14

You forgot David Kant

And….. fixt

2024 Resolutions for all Augello'ers ..

1. Be less sensitive;
2. Be less repetitive;
3. Be less absolute in your opinions; and for gods sake ..
4. Thicken your neck;
- The Law

Got that Garmin bike radar light for Christmas. I always thought it was a pretty superfluous bell and whistle, but I don't want to ride without one now, especially in the poop. Strongly recommended.
- Zezel

A $45 led light works just as well.

That's a start .....could you at least work on your neck?
- The Law

I have been eating more!

They were favoured to go farther than Czechia though. I don't want to see it be like the women's game where only 2 teams can compete.
- Zezel

The world jrs have never been a two horse race.

A $45 led light works just as well.
- Fakepartofme

That's what I thought, but I'm a convert.