Yeah Willy for 6.9 the last 6 years was such an overpayment

How dare he
- Santo_44

You know how it works going into ufa contracts. They start overpaid and finish underpaid. Whether you think Willie is overpaid or not is secondary. The point is, the Leafs, and no team for that matter, can’t win with 4 players making almost 50% of the cap. And then to give them all no trade clauses, means Leafs are locked in mediocrity for years to come, and nothing they can do about it.

Just embrace it. He is wonderful and only getting better.
- sokosteve

It can be both.

He's wonderful ..and everybody (aside from one guy) knows it.

But the salaries have consequences. Less to spend on depth, defence and goaltending.
Can this team be a consistent contender in the playoffs while sacrificing those things?

That's my concern.

Love Willie ...he's en fuego. But is this the right design going forward?

What's the most some crazy team (that he may not even want to go to) is going to offer this summer on 7 years?

Is some team giving him 12.5 x 7? I don't see it but maybe. That's 87.5M

Why are we in a hurry to give him 92M this week?
- The Law

I dunno. But EF said they decided they want him and waiting has already cost them a lot.

Pasta signed before the cap jump was announced, no? As long as the cap keeps rising, which I'm fairly certain it will, we'll be fine.
- Whipper

What do you mean by fine? Competitive but never good enough to win! Make playoffs but that’s it? What is fine!? Good forwards but second rate D and tending? Cross your fingers every year and hope other teams falter so we have a chance? Is fine a contender? With this core why haven’t we even come close to winning? With 4 of the top 9 paid players in the league shouldn’t we be cleaning up? Why aren’t we winning?

Love Willie ...he's en fuego. But is this the right design going forward?

What's the most some crazy team (that he may not even want to go to) is going to offer this summer on 7 years?

Is some team giving him 12.5 x 7? I don't see it but maybe. That's 87.5M

Why are we in a hurry to give him 92M this week?
- The Law

Because Treliving is proving to consistent at not having his name behind the greatest contracts.

2 goals against in 3 games, 1 even strength goal against in the last 4 games, love to see it. Keep it grooving, Budz! GLG

Even if he repeats this season this team is (frank)ing horribly unbalanced. Moreso when he signs his absurd extension.
- mjones242

Next year ..

53% to 4 forwards.
62% to 4+Rielly.

$33.5M to pay 9 forwards, 6 defencemen and a pair of 'tenders.

Yeah Willy for 6.9 the last 6 years was such an overpayment

How dare he
- Santo_44

6.9 was fine the day he signed it.

11.5 now is not. Based on every other comp

I dunno. But EF said they decided they want him and waiting has already cost them a lot.
- Canada Cup

Could it go any higher? More than 92M on a 7 yr from another team?

Pasta signed before the cap jump was announced, no? As long as the cap keeps rising, which I'm fairly certain it will, we'll be fine.
- Whipper

It was noted that he took less than he could have gotten.
Which is true. He signed March last year. A 60 goal season


Probably should be around 12-13 Mil.

Nylander is getting 100% but probably more. Never get a reasonable discount from any of Them

Willy's gonna get paid... whatever, good on him. Guy was a bargain for years, now he's a bit overpaid. Who cares, c'est la vie.

It was noted that he took less than he could have gotten.
Which is true. He signed March last year. A 60 goal season


Probably should be around 12-13 Mil.

Nylander is getting 100% but probably more. Never get a reasonable discount from any of Them
- senstroll

They've decided Tavares and Marner are going to take the reasonable discounts. They are the guys from Toronto and they both already have scrooge mcduck swimming pools they can dive in, if they want to try to win a cup here they should be the two expected to do it at a reasonable dollar.

If the core four treated playoff games the way they do contract negotiations the Leafs would be in the middle of a dynasty

Yeah
Feels like what's important is the aav bragging number. Not the cups

You know how it works going into ufa contracts. They start overpaid and finish underpaid. Whether you think Willie is overpaid or not is secondary. The point is, the Leafs, and no team for that matter, can’t win with 4 players making almost 50% of the cap. And then to give them all no trade clauses, means Leafs are locked in mediocrity for years to come, and nothing they can do about it.
- Bullot

No team can - until they do. Washington Capitals couldn't win in the playoffs despite finishing at or near the top of the NHL standings ..... and then when nobody was paying attention, they won a cup. Cap going up to $88.5M next year and about $92.5M the following season. Marner, JT and McDavid will all be UFA at the same time unless they sign. Leafs have some amazing talent, which we should be enjoying. That leaky defense everyone harps on allowed two goals in the last three road games. Interestingly, not one of those games had the shart stain known as Samsonov in net.

Love Willie ...he's en fuego. But is this the right design going forward?

What's the most some crazy team (that he may not even want to go to) is going to offer this summer on 7 years?

Is some team giving him 12.5 x 7? I don't see it but maybe. That's 87.5M

Why are we in a hurry to give him 92M this week?
- The Law

Agree
We see it wasn't just dubas.. Tree same thing. Pay max dollars

6.9 was fine the day he signed it.

11.5 now is not. Based on every other comp
- senstroll

I’m not sure it was widely seen as fine when he signed at $6.9. I also think people underestimate the importance of internal comps. I can see how it would matter that you’ve been underpaid for the value you bring compared to your teammates. It’s my turn now.

They've decided Tavares and Marner are going to take the reasonable discounts. They are the guys from Toronto and they both already have scrooge mcduck swimming pools they can dive in, if they want to try to win a cup here they should be the two expected to do it at a reasonable dollar.
- joel878

I’m not sure it was widely seen as fine when he signed at $6.9. I also think people underestimate the importance of internal comps. I can see how it would matter that you’ve been underpaid for the value you bring compared to your teammates. It’s my turn now.
- Canada Cup

I thought and said 6.9 cap was good. I had many 'discussions' here about it
Most didn't like it then

I don't like 11.5 based on every other player who signed who is comparable to nylander

I’m not sure it was widely seen as fine when he signed at $6.9. I also think people underestimate the importance of internal comps. I can see how it would matter that you’ve been underpaid for the value you bring compared to your teammates. It’s my turn now.
- Canada Cup

That's fine ...if you live in a vacuum.

Tree's don't live in vacuums.

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I will say this, these guys better go on long playoff runs from here on out. Because, if they don't, this core will go down as one of the most hated of my lifetime.


There's a lot of talk about players not owing it to the team to take discounts. And that's true. But when all your best players prioritize maximizing every dollar they make at the expense of flexibility to improve the team, the fans don't owe the players their support either.

And the difference between $92M and $84M is really nothing when it comes to quality of life. This is all about ego once you get to those numbers. So, you better back it up.

Yeah. Hard agree with this. Frm twitter.

Squeeze every dollar. Now (frank)ing win something. Or go down as the greediest chokers of all time

It would be a major mistake to sign Willy at that number and a NMC. He'll be 28 when it begins and you'll damn well know that his skills will wane, once he hits his 30's. It'll be JT all over again. It should be a sign and trade and a rebalancing of this team defensively. I know that he's having a career year during a contract year. He's a top end talent but his defensive game is suspect or he'd be killing penalties and playing the last minute of every period. He also plays on the second line, most of the time and doesn't see the other teams checking line. Lastly, he's a winger. Wingers are easier than defensemen and centers to replace. Huge mistake paying both him and Marner north of $10M per year. With this core we've won exactly 1 game into the second round in the last 7 years. If we'd been to the finals or even deep into the third round, that might have been different. The core 4 usually goes AWOL in the playoffs and become perimeter players. Hard "no" giving him over $10M for 8 years. 4 years tops!

That's fine ...if you live in a vacuum.

Tree's don't live in vacuums.
- The Law

Vacuums don’t poop in the woods. Both league and internal dynamics matter

No team can - until they do. Washington Capitals couldn't win in the playoffs despite finishing at or near the top of the NHL standings ..... and then when nobody was paying attention, they won a cup. Cap going up to $88.5M next year and about $92.5M the following season. Marner, JT and McDavid will all be UFA at the same time unless they sign. Leafs have some amazing talent, which we should be enjoying. That leaky defense everyone harps on allowed two goals in the last three road games. Interestingly, not one of those games had the shart stain known as Samsonov in net.
- winsix

One comment about the last 3 games.....it wasn't the NHL best that they were playing. LA is a great road team, but sh!t at home. The other 2 are looking at winning the draft lottery. I'm not taking nothing away from the Leafs, they played well on this road trip. It wasn't Vegas, Colorado and Dallas that they beat.

[quote=senstroll]

I think that's been my speech after every signing. Get paid ...that's fine. But it's also fine that the weight of the wins and losses are all on those same guys.

Those players/management don't get to complain about poopty goaltending (b/c we can't afford a sure thing), or weak d-core (b/c we can't afford that), or poor depth.

Vacuums don’t poop in the woods. Both league and internal dynamics matter
- Canada Cup

Sure, for the players demand.

The lack of a vacuum is that the Tree doesn't have to sign off. In spite of demands he has many options and there are lots of ways to construct a team.

He's obviously decided, like Dubas, that this team can be a consistent contender with this kind of payroll structure.

My fingers are crossed. I'm a ticket holder ...I'm always all in. But I have my doubts that this is the best way to construct a consistent winner.

$33.5million to fill in about 16-17 roster spots next year is not ideal.