Are you okay with drafted players routinely coming out and saying they don't want to play for the team that drafted them and what that could lead to?
- MJL

It doesn’t matter what I think. It’s reality. It happens. I would think if it got more prevalent, the league may try to fix it.

https://twitter.com/billm...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Dunno if anybody posted his yet but:
https://twitter.com/RearA...tatus/1744719013215977596

It's from the Chiclets guy so take it for what it's worth.
- Tomahawk

Again not a good look for a player, whether it's McDavid talent or Cutter talent, that a player can dictate so much and find it ok.

If this attitude becomes acceptable, why shouldn't all players do this. I want this coach, I want this ice time, etc etc otherwise I don't want to play for you. In a shallow bubble it seems like the player has the right to do so, but teams then why shouldn't a team be able to terminate a player for any reason without guaranteed payout?

Imagine working for a company telling them I don't like that manager or the way you do things...the company would show you the door and your last paycheck, but in this situation the company owns your rights so you can't go to another company.

Again not a good look for a player, whether it's McDavid talent or Cutter talent, that a player can dictate so much and find it ok.

If this attitude becomes acceptable, why shouldn't all players do this. I want this coach, I want this ice time, etc etc otherwise I don't want to play for you. In a shallow bubble it seems like the player has the right to do so, but teams then why shouldn't a team be able to terminate a player for any reason without guaranteed payout?

Imagine working for a company telling them I don't like that manager or the way you do things...the company would show you the door and your last paycheck, but in this situation the company owns your rights so you can't go to another company.
- Glak18

cant compare a company and a sports league. very different.

So Gauthier is better off allowing the Flyers to frame the narrative. Interesting, cannot write that I agree.
- Trox88

Someone said Cutter was excited to be drafted by the Flyers. If true, something changed

Hayes pulled something similar on the hawks… wouldnt sign after college.. gave no readon
- LFS

I found something different. Seems like a very well defined reason:

https://web.archive.org/w...ecome-free-agent/c-728447

Friedman reports the Flyers wouldn't sign Gauthier at the end of last season because they didn't want a bonus overage for 23-24.

And yet they were happy to retain 50% on Hayes and buy out Angelo just to appease Torts.
- Feanor

I 100% agree with getting rid of hayes and Tony D. It was the right thing to do

It doesn’t matter what I think. It’s reality. It happens. I would think if it got more prevalent, the league may try to fix it.
- Minnyhock

You gave an opinion stating that you're okay with what Gauthier did so it must matter. It happens rarely but if it's green lighted it would be chaos.

Any player can refuse to sign with the team that drafted them right now. There are plenty of disincentives to doing so, so it rarely happens.

Cooper Marody didn't want to sign here.

This is not a contention year, so give him an extended shot and see how he makes out/develops. He certainly seems like he'd be a fit as a PP QB.
- Hextall271

I don’t know if. I buy DeAngelo didn’t make the power play better. We’re dead last and it really feels like the PP rarely scores. Even if last year’s PP was 29th in the league, that’s better than this year.

Again not a good look for a player, whether it's McDavid talent or Cutter talent, that a player can dictate so much and find it ok.

If this attitude becomes acceptable, why shouldn't all players do this. I want this coach, I want this ice time, etc etc otherwise I don't want to play for you. In a shallow bubble it seems like the player has the right to do so, but teams then why shouldn't a team be able to terminate a player for any reason without guaranteed payout?

Imagine working for a company telling them I don't like that manager or the way you do things...the company would show you the door and your last paycheck, but in this situation the company owns your rights so you can't go to another company.
- Glak18

All excellent points.

It appears that the disagreement is over CG wanting to turn pro at end of last year and DB saying the Flyers didn’t want the overages and couldn’t do it ….costing the player the ability to getting off his rookie contract 1 year earlier. I could see it pissing him off….but that’s a nuclear reaction…..besides did he just witness how verbeek treated Drysdale and Zegras in their negotiations over the summer? If he thought the Flyers were tight …..welcome to reality kid.

Someone said Cutter was excited to be drafted by the Flyers. If true, something changed
- Minnyhock

My best guess is Hak made him some promise that Danny pumped the brakes on. Rather than dealing with the change he decided to be a brat.

If this whole thing turns out to be about him wanting to play Center over Wing, without ever even playing a second of NHL hockey… he’s going to look very foolish and he’ll have a hard time convincing people he doesn’t put himself above his teams.

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1744792106650980367?t=xKbS_7BHt7wxlfKbfhAbzA&s=19

Maybe don't mess with another man's money might have some validity with the Gauthier saga.
- Trox88

Everything I’ve heard so far about Gauthier not wanting to sign.

-friends with Hayes.
-Pittsburgh Penguins fan
-Promises Fletcher made that Briere may not be willing to uphold.
-bonus money.
-No prior experience with management

There isn’t a single good reason for this kid not to play here that I’ve heard so far. I think Gauthier just might be a dumb kid who buys into his own hype.

My best guess is Hak made him some promise that Danny pumped the brakes on. Rather than dealing with the change he decided to be a brat.

If this whole thing turns out to be about him wanting to play Center over Wing, without ever even playing a second of NHL hockey… he’s going to look very foolish and he’ll have a hard time convincing people he doesn’t put himself above his teams.
- hereticpride

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Again not a good look for a player, whether it's McDavid talent or Cutter talent, that a player can dictate so much and find it ok.

If this attitude becomes acceptable, why shouldn't all players do this. I want this coach, I want this ice time, etc etc otherwise I don't want to play for you. In a shallow bubble it seems like the player has the right to do so, but teams then why shouldn't a team be able to terminate a player for any reason without guaranteed payout?

Imagine working for a company telling them I don't like that manager or the way you do things...the company would show you the door and your last paycheck, but in this situation the company owns your rights so you can't go to another company.
- Glak18

Love this.

At this point, I would be a little disappointed if they do not get a 1st rdr for Walker. The pick does not have to be this year. Walker and Tanev appear to be the 2 best impending UFA RHD available.
- Trox88

Prepare to be disappointed

It appears that the disagreement is over CG wanting to turn pro at end of last year and DB saying the Flyers didn’t want the overages and couldn’t do it ….costing the player the ability to getting off his rookie contract 1 year earlier. I could see it pissing him off….but that’s a nuclear reaction…..besides did he just witness how verbeek treated Drysdale and Zegras in their negotiations over the summer? If he thought the Flyers were tight …..welcome to reality kid.
- landros 2

Yeah, whatever the reason is the reaction of essentially ghosting your franchise is an insane reaction. That is unless the Flyers did something really egregious, which there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of.

Still waiting to hear if his agent represents any other Flyers because he’s giving out absolutely awful advice. He represents Shane Wright as well and look how he embarrassed himself at the draft, dropping over how he reportedly handled himself in team interviews.

Does anyone remember the stipulations to Brayden Schenn’s rookie deal that kept him with the Phantoms?

Any player can refuse to sign with the team that drafted them right now. There are plenty of disincentives to doing so, so it rarely happens.

Cooper Marody didn't want to sign here.
- Feanor

It's not so much the refusing to sign etc. It is the surrounding drama.

There is at least one other, more rational take of this ghosting business. He told them, rightly or wrongly, entitled brat or far-sighted savant, that he will not sign and his decision was irrevocable. They kept pestering him. Ultimately, fed up and wanting to concentrate on the WJC, he ignored them.

Whoever it is at fault, at least one top prospect saw his future of the Flyers in such terms that he essentially forced a trade, without having any say as to where. He risked going to Arizona, to Buffalo, to Edmonton, etc etc. rather than stay here.

It's just one opinion, but goodness gracious.

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- hello it's me 2050

My bad. Fletch. They’re both interchangeable bums to me.

Does anyone remember the stipulations to Brayden Schenn’s rookie deal that kept him with the Phantoms?
- roenick97

I could definitely be wrong but I thought it was just an age thing with him where he had to go to the AHL or NHL and they opted to send him to the AHL.

Friedman reports the Flyers wouldn't sign Gauthier at the end of last season because they didn't want a bonus overage for 23-24.

And yet they were happy to retain 50% on Hayes and buy out Angelo just to appease Torts.
- Feanor

So Morgan Frost’s scratches this year wasn’t the reason? Is this what you’re confirming because your temperature changed real quick.

I'm dead wrong? Their both opinions you goof. I think they are totally separate things going on. You could look at Tyson or Brink and sees how much of an opportunity they are given or Zemula. But I don't think he is looking at any of that. Especially not Frost.
- Flyerz74

Yes, you're wrong. ANY top prospect looks at the way the team is run, particularly with the coach and how he deals with players as well as the player personnel that he'll be teamed up with, and the team's player development path. Was that the only reason? Doubtful. Was it a contributing factor? Absolutely. We're now hearing that the Flyers didn't want to sign him after last year for bonus reasons. If that's the case, then that says more about CG than it does the team.

You gave an opinion stating that you're okay with what Gauthier did so it must matter. It happens rarely but if it's green lighted it would be chaos.
- MJL

I’m ok with it because others have been allowed to do it and he’s exercising that. I’m not making a judgment on the morality of it. I agree, it potentially could create chaos. If it became unsustainable for the league, the league is going to preserve itself.