The agent is quoted as saying its a private matter between Gauthier and his family.
3 pages ago I brought up his former pro goalie father maybe having an effect/affect on the situation........

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1744792106650980367?t=xKbS_7BHt7wxlfKbfhAbzA&s=19

Maybe don't mess with another man's money might have some validity with the Gauthier saga.
- Trox88

How much are we talking here? It better be a big #. If we lost this kid over pennies on the dollar, that would be pretty dumb.

How much are we talking here? It better be a big #. If we lost this kid over pennies on the dollar, that would be pretty dumb.
- iamscore2day

It's not a big number in and of itself.

Someone text me when this saga ends
- ClaudeFather

Torts will send a carrier pigeon over when it’s over.

I'm not at all concerned about Drysdale's size. With the addition of Drysdale, Ristolainen is now 6th on the depth chart at best. The first opportunity the Flyers get to move Ristolainen without too much damage, they should take it.
- MJL

Wait..I thought JD said Risto was our best dman...how can he be #6 just because of 1 new guy...

so confused

What’s a very respectable conversation? Sounds like something Trump would say. “I have the most respectable conversations. They’re perfect conversations”

They’re taking the high road?
- Dkos

This is just agent cover for a kid who pissed off the entire NHL. Don’t think this just relates to the Flyers. The whole NHL management is pissed off at this kid if it happened as the Flyers management team said. The #5 overall draft pick ghosting the team that drafted him without a clearly defined reason will upset every GM and president in the league. There will absolutely be discussions about killing the college loophole whether is gets fixed or not. This was the reason it was kept quiet. Every GM and President is scared crapless about this happening to them and had sympathy for the Flyers. If not they could have easily killed Gautheir’s value by leaking this to the press.

How much are we talking here? It better be a big #. If we lost this kid over pennies on the dollar, that would be pretty dumb.
- iamscore2day

Entry-level contracts (ELC) are the first deals given to rookies once they join their NHL club. These players are limited in the type of contract that they can sign.

Any player younger than 25 as of Sept. 15 during the year of their first contract must sign an entry-level contract, according to CapFriendly. Every entry-level contract is a two-way deal and the maximum salary for a player that is drafted in 2023 is set at $950,000 annually.

With that said, entry-level contracts can include signing and performance bonuses, so the total a player makes can exceed $950,000 per year, but there are still limits to that.

According to CapFriendly, signing bonuses may not exceed 10% of the contract’s total, and that is paid to players annually. Performance bonuses for entry-level contracts are paid by the team and count against the salary cap. Those bonuses can't exceed the maximum of $3.5 million.

The length of the ELC depends on the age of the player. Here is a breakdown of the contract length:

18-21 years of age: 3 years
22-23 years of age: 2 years
24 years of age: 1 year

Not enough cap space is what I read..they didn't want the overtures.

So..ND makes over $1.5....we would have been half way there without that contract. Throw in Mark Staal is at 1.1 for the year..We would have had $2.5 of it from those two.
Just saying. Seems like management wanted to push off the NHL, and he wanted to be paid.

Maximum would have been $3.5 million. But the effect is not just this year..he would reach his next contract sooner, and make more..he could have been making $3.5 if he hit all bonuses possible, or he could have been making over $5 with bonuses in 2 years.

By not signing him last year, it kinda cost him at least a million..lots for a 19 year old...nothing for the Flyers.

Your worried about his size? This has been discussed, he is the same size of Makar. Is Makar size an issue or do you just want female dog about thr Flyers?
- WhiskeyMan

Are we comparing Drysdale to Makar? Is this what we’re doing? Makar is above a point per game player as a defenseman. Makar is a freak of nature. You concern yourself with Drysdale’s size because of the major role that you want him to play, mixed with the injuries he’s already had.

Wait..I thought JD said Risto was our best dman...how can he be #6 just because of 1 new guy...

so confused
- TheFreak

Going to be interesting to see what the pairs are and who comes out tomorrow. I already predicted the top pair would get broken up. Sanheim back to the left and playing with Drydale. You can’t break up Walker and Seeler (although they’re slipping). Personally I think it’s a toss up between Ristolainen and Zamula and the decision isn’t that simple. I like Ristolainen better than Zamula at even strength and it sounds like the organization really wants right handed defensemen on the right side. We have 3 now. Zamula to me has really only stood out in a stand out way on the power play. That ice time is clearly getting taken away whether he’s in the line up or not.

Are we comparing Drysdale to Makar? Is this what we’re doing? Makar is above a point per game player as a defenseman. Makar is a freak of nature. You concern yourself with Drysdale’s size because of the major role that you want him to play, mixed with the injuries he’s already had.
- roenick97

You are worried about his size. I brought a defensive player with the same size it just happed to be makar. I didn't talk about anything else. They are the same height and weight.

No one knows what Drysdale is yet, he has only played one full season. So lighten up Francis

Are we comparing Drysdale to Makar? Is this what we’re doing? Makar is above a point per game player as a defenseman. Makar is a freak of nature. You concern yourself with Drysdale’s size because of the major role that you want him to play, mixed with the injuries he’s already had.
- roenick97

I don’t directly compare no but I do note that they are roughly the same size and both superior skaters. Hes not at that level, but it shows me guys his size can contribute and thrive. We’ll see if he can do that.

Entry-level contracts (ELC) are the first deals given to rookies once they join their NHL club. These players are limited in the type of contract that they can sign.

Any player younger than 25 as of Sept. 15 during the year of their first contract must sign an entry-level contract, according to CapFriendly. Every entry-level contract is a two-way deal and the maximum salary for a player that is drafted in 2023 is set at $950,000 annually.

With that said, entry-level contracts can include signing and performance bonuses, so the total a player makes can exceed $950,000 per year, but there are still limits to that.

According to CapFriendly, signing bonuses may not exceed 10% of the contract’s total, and that is paid to players annually. Performance bonuses for entry-level contracts are paid by the team and count against the salary cap. Those bonuses can't exceed the maximum of $3.5 million.

The length of the ELC depends on the age of the player. Here is a breakdown of the contract length:

18-21 years of age: 3 years
22-23 years of age: 2 years
24 years of age: 1 year

Not enough cap space is what I read..they didn't want the overtures.

So..ND makes over $1.5....we would have been half way there without that contract. Throw in Mark Staal is at 1.1 for the year..We would have had $2.5 of it from those two.
Just saying. Seems like management wanted to push off the NHL, and he wanted to be paid.

Maximum would have been $3.5 million. But the effect is not just this year..he would reach his next contract sooner, and make more..he could have been making $3.5 if he hit all bonuses possible, or he could have been making over $5 with bonuses in 2 years.

By not signing him last year, it kinda cost him at least a million..lots for a 19 year old...nothing for the Flyers.
- TheFreak

Not signing him last year cost Cutter.....7-10mil ish losing a year of your career earnings

Not signing him last year cost Cutter.....7-10mil ish losing a year of your career earnings
- bradster

The issue I have with this is that, he’s not yet done anything in the nhl to deserve that money. Pay your dues and show that you can deliver and you’ll get paid. Just because you are drafted highly doesn’t mean you are entitled to anything. Look at Patrick. Second overall. Unfortunately, due to health, he was never able to reach potential. This might happen to cutter. You don’t know. If he performs he’ll have an opportunity to cash in and get paid. It’s the way the nhl cba is set up.

The issue I have with this is that, he’s not yet done anything in the nhl to deserve that money. Pay your dues and show that you can deliver and you’ll get paid. Just because you are drafted highly doesn’t mean you are entitled to anything. Look at Patrick. Second overall. Unfortunately, due to health, he was never able to reach potential. This might happen to cutter. You don’t know. If he performs he’ll have an opportunity to cash in and get paid. It’s the way the nhl cba is set up.
- Hextall271

totally agree. Lots of players spend 2 more years in the OHL after getting drafted. All part of the process. To say you will never play for a team for doing what they are allowed to do, especially after saying you were born to be a flyers is immature for sure. Makes me glad he is gone, cant wait until its contract time for him after his rookie deal.

Not enough cap space is what I read..they didn't want the overtures.

So..ND makes over $1.5....we would have been half way there without that contract. Throw in Mark Staal is at 1.1 for the year..We would have had $2.5 of it from those two.
Just saying. Seems like management wanted to push off the NHL, and he wanted to be paid.

Maximum would have been $3.5 million. But the effect is not just this year..he would reach his next contract sooner, and make more..he could have been making $3.5 if he hit all bonuses possible, or he could have been making over $5 with bonuses in 2 years.

By not signing him last year, it kinda cost him at least a million..lots for a 19 year old...nothing for the Flyers.
- TheFreak

Much needs to be clarified here. It would've been nowhere near 1M. Significantly less. Gauthier's BU season ended on April 6th. At that point in time, when he would've signed. The Flyers had 4 games to play. The max salary he could've signed for that season was 950K. His base salary would've been prorated based on the number of days he was on the roster. Most NHL seasons are around 188 days. So 950K divided by 188 times the number of days he was on the roster. Say at that point, ball park, ten days. That's about 50,000. He likely would've gotten the max signing bonus, which was 95,000. That puts him up to 145K. The minimum for a games played bonus is 5, which he wouldn't have qualified for. Too short of a time for any performance bonuses. So a nice chunk of change, but no where near 1M


Now if he had signed for this season instead of being stubborn, he could've potentially earned 3.7M. Base salary plus any potential games played bonuses and performance bonuses, That was Gauthier's decision not to sign and he cost himself.

Much needs to be clarified here. It would've been nowhere near 1M. Significantly less. Gauthier's BU season ended on April 6th. At that point in time, when he would've signed. The Flyers had 4 games to play. The max salary he could've signed for that season was 950K. His base salary would've been prorated based on the number of days he was on the roster. Most NHL seasons are around 188 days. So 950K divided by 188 times the number of days he was on the roster. Say at that point, ball park, ten days. That's about 50,000. He likely would've gotten the max signing bonus, which was 95,000. That puts him up to 145K. The minimum for a games played bonus is 5, which he wouldn't have qualified for. Too short of a time for any performance bonuses. So a nice chunk of change, but no where near 1M
- MJL

I think its the money gauthier lost is what he doesnt like. For the flyers, its more important having that extra year of his entry contract than paying any bonuses

This development seems to make the drafting of a projected solid but not flashy Bonk a good team fit. Drysdale, York, Zamula, Andrae and Bonk with Sanheim as vet presence looks like a reason for future optimism. The Flyers should have a heavy bias for drafting forwards, preferably a C next summer.
- Minnyhock

They are starved for centers. I see a trade before next season to upgrade that position. Depending on who and the cost of acquisition it is not a bad idea.

They are starved for centers. I see a trade before next season to upgrade that position. Depending on who and the cost of acquisition it is not a bad idea.
- mickel25

Throw the rebuild out the window?

According to Elliot Freidman:

“According to several sources, whatever happened pre-dates May 11, when Keith Jones was hired and Daniel Briere officially became general manager. The last time they met face-to-face with Gauthier was on a Zoom call right after the World Championships, which concluded May 28. At that time, the Flyers were hoping Gauthier was ready to sign, only to be floored by hearing he would never do so.”

If we’re to believe this…
Does this mean it was a Fletcher screw up? And if so, why would Gauthier not even speak with the new management? I can understand if he heard Briere and Jones out and then still didn’t want to sign but just refusing to hear them out just comes across as childish.
- Schmojo

My guess is that Fletch sold him one bill of goods and then he got poop canned and Cutter realized that Torts/Briere/Jonesy weren't gonna honor past agreements/understandings.

Fletch being Fletch, he probably promised the kid the moon: turn pro after his freshman year, guaranteed a roster spot for 23-24, guaranteed him the center position, year burned off his ELC, yada yada yada.

Then Danny/Torts/Jones were like... yeah kid... you're not only not gonna be turning pro now, we want you back at BC for another season, we actually see you more as a winger and when you do turn pro... good luck... you're gonna get the Morgan Frost treatment.

Throw the rebuild out the window?
- MJL

No not at all. If it's an NHL ready player like Drysdale I think that is worth considering. Ultimately I am hoping for another Poehling situation. Only the player would have a higher offensive upside.

I am not talking about bringing in a player that is 30+ years old and trading away assets for him.

My guess is that Fletch sold him one bill of goods and then he got poop canned and Cutter realized that Torts/Briere/Jonesy weren't gonna honor past agreements/understandings.

Fletch being Fletch, he probably promised the kid the moon: turn pro after his freshman year, guaranteed a roster spot for 23-24, guaranteed him the center position, year burned off his ELC, yada yada yada.

Then Danny/Torts/Jones were like... yeah kid... you're not only not gonna be turning pro now, we want you back at BC for another season, we actually see you more as a winger and when you do turn pro... good luck... you're gonna get treated like Morgan Frost.
- Tomahawk

I agree with all of that except the center part. He's playing center at BU and he played center at the WJC's.

I agree with all of that except the center part. He's playing center at BU and he played center at the WJC's.
- MJL

Didn't Danny basically say they saw him as LW in the post-trade presser?

The issue I have with this is that, he’s not yet done anything in the nhl to deserve that money. Pay your dues and show that you can deliver and you’ll get paid. Just because you are drafted highly doesn’t mean you are entitled to anything. Look at Patrick. Second overall. Unfortunately, due to health, he was never able to reach potential. This might happen to cutter. You don’t know. If he performs he’ll have an opportunity to cash in and get paid. It’s the way the nhl cba is set up.
- Hextall271

That's why I said it cost him at least a million....

No not at all. If it's an NHL ready player like Drysdale I think that is worth considering. Ultimately I am hoping for another Poehling situation. Only the player would have a higher offensive upside.

I am not talking about bringing in a player that is 30+ years old and trading away assets for him.
- mickel25

What are the chances of the Flyers getting a top potential center in a trade at that age? What are going to trade for that player? Michkov?

The Flyers are going to have to draft that center. This is what has gotten this franchise into the trouble and position that they have been in. Floundering for over a decade. Thinking they can wheel and deal their way there. Draft and develop.

My guess is that Fletch sold him one bill of goods and then he got poop canned and Cutter realized that Torts/Briere/Jonesy weren't gonna honor past agreements/understandings.

Fletch being Fletch, he probably promised the kid the moon: turn pro after his freshman year, guaranteed a roster spot for 23-24, guaranteed him the center position, year burned off his ELC, yada yada yada.

Then Danny/Torts/Jones were like... yeah kid... you're not only not gonna be turning pro now, we want you back at BC for another season, we actually see you more as a winger and when you do turn pro... good luck... you're gonna get treated like Morgan Frost.
- Tomahawk

That sounds plausible, but why the silence from Gauthier's side? Why not just say that?