That sounds plausible, but why the silence from Gauthier's side? Why not just say that?
- Dkos

Either way he comes across as an entitled douche.

Didn't Danny basically say they saw him as LW in the post-trade presser?
- Tomahawk

I thought the point of that was to belittle Gauthier a bit? He's just a winger. We traded him for a guy who plays an important position.

Didn't Danny basically say they saw him as LW in the post-trade presser?
- Tomahawk

In the press conference I saw, he said they drafted a LW and that has been made into some kind of cryptic statement. I may have missed it somewhere else but to my knowledge, that's all I heard.

Been really busy lately. After watching the World Juniors I'm really looking forward to this Cutter kid playing for us. Hopefully next year.


Anything else going on in Flyerdom?

Been really busy lately. After watching the World Juniors I'm really looking forward to this Cutter kid playing for us. Hopefully next year.


Anything else going on in Flyerdom?
- hockeylover

I thought the point of that was to belittle Gauthier a bit? He's just a winger. We traded him for a guy who plays an important position.
- Dkos

The matter of fact way Danny said it sounded more like he was being candid about their internal analysis of Cutter: "we saw him more as a winger"

Hilferty and Jonesy and Torts on the other hand tho... they sounded bitter and a bit petty.

Much needs to be clarified here. It would've been nowhere near 1M. Significantly less. Gauthier's BU season ended on April 6th. At that point in time, when he would've signed. The Flyers had 4 games to play. The max salary he could've signed for that season was 950K. His base salary would've been prorated based on the number of days he was on the roster. Most NHL seasons are around 188 days. So 950K divided by 188 times the number of days he was on the roster. Say at that point, ball park, ten days. That's about 50,000. He likely would've gotten the max signing bonus, which was 95,000. That puts him up to 145K. The minimum for a games played bonus is 5, which he wouldn't have qualified for. Too short of a time for any performance bonuses. So a nice chunk of change, but no where near 1M


Now if he had signed for this season instead of being stubborn, he could've potentially earned 3.7M. Base salary plus any potential games played bonuses and performance bonuses, That was Gauthier's decision not to sign and he cost himself.
- MJL

From what I have read, he wanted to sign, but Briere wanted him to go back to college for the year....so he wouldn't have played all of this season, just the last handful of games as your scenario stated...if that as BC is expected to make a run. So it did actually cost him a whole year. I said a million, as base salary is $950, plus signing bonus. Nothing else was guaranteed.

The matter of fact way Danny said it sounded more like he was being candid about their internal analysis of Cutter: "we saw him more as a winger"

Hilferty and Jonesy and Torts on the other hand tho... they sounded bitter and a bit petty.
- Tomahawk

Bill Meltzer has posted on this before hasn't he? That the Flyers wanted him playing center?

The matter of fact way Danny said it sounded more like he was being candid about their internal analysis of Cutter: "we saw him more as a winger"

Hilferty and Jonesy and Torts on the other hand tho... they sounded bitter and a bit petty.
- Tomahawk

How did Torts sound petty? Media kept asking him questions post game about a guy who has never ever played for him nor will wver play for him.

While salary considerations are important, it hardly seems plausible that the Flyers wanted CG to remain in Boston simply because of bonus overage possibilities. If the Flyers believed he was ready to sign a professional entry level contract and potentially play, they would have. The Flyers do have a history with college players, Brink and Cates come to mind. Perhaps it had something to do with C/LW and needing more seasoning but that could be accomplished at a higher level with the Phantoms too. So it says to me, the Flyers didn’t think he was ready for the professional ranks last year. Of course, like everyone else, I’m speculating, but if this is the case, this kid has a lot of growing up to do if he wasn’t to be a professional ice hockey player. I doubt Verbeek sugar costs anything.

How did Torts sound petty? Media kept asking him questions post game about a guy who has never ever played for him nor will wver play for him.
- psuhockey

Pretending like he didn't know anything about one of the team's top prospects... who's gonna believe that lol. "Hole in the wall" haha. Classic Torts stonewalling.

From what I have read, he wanted to sign, but Briere wanted him to go back to college for the year....so he wouldn't have played all of this season, just the last handful of games as you scenario stated...if that as BC is expected to make a run. So it did actuallt cost him a whole year. I said a million, as base salary is $950, plus signing bonus. Nothing else was guaranteed.
- TheFreak

Gauthier wanted to sign in April of 2022 and start his ELC at the end of the Flyers 22/23 season. The Flyers said no to that because of bonus overages. The Flyers went to Gauthier at the 2023 World Championship in May of 2023 , expecting to work out a contract starting in the current season of 23/24. That is when Gauthier informed them that he didn't want to play here. It was Gautheir's choice not to sign and with no other choice at the time, to play another season at BU.

The context of the previous discussion was how much money it cost Gauthier by the Flyers not wanting to sign him for the tail end of the 22/23 season.

What are the chances of the Flyers getting a top potential center in a trade at that age? What are going to trade for that player? Michkov?

The Flyers are going to have to draft that center. This is what has gotten this franchise into the trouble and position that they have been in. Floundering for over a decade. Thinking they can wheel and deal their way there. Draft and develop.
- MJL

I agree with you that drafting the top line center is probably how they will/should acquire a top line center. I also did not think Cutter Gauthier would get traded going into Monday. So who knows.

From what I have read, he wanted to sign, but Briere wanted him to go back to college for the year....so he wouldn't have played all of this season, just the last handful of games as your scenario stated...if that as BC is expected to make a run. So it did actually cost him a whole year. I said a million, as base salary is $950, plus signing bonus. Nothing else was guaranteed.
- TheFreak

It will cost him much more than $1M, guessing around 10mil if he turns out to be a good player

Bill Meltzer has posted on this before hasn't he? That the Flyers wanted him playing center?
- MJL

At one point that must have been true. But it seems the thinking shifted at some point after Fletch was canned.

The matter of fact way Danny said it sounded more like he was being candid about their internal analysis of Cutter: "we saw him more as a winger"

Hilferty and Jonesy and Torts on the other hand tho... they sounded bitter and a bit petty.
- Tomahawk

I'm not at all a fan of any of those 3 guys in their roles but I have no issue with their message. If you don't want to be a Flyer, you won't be. That is the correct message.

Didn't Danny basically say they saw him as LW in the post-trade presser?
- Tomahawk

Yeah, but I think that was him spinning the trade a bit to lessen the perceived impact. He has been on record saying more than once that they saw him as a center.

Gauthier wanted to sign in April of 2022 and start his ELC at the end of the Flyers 22/23 season. The Flyers said no to that because of bonus overages. The Flyers went to Gauthier at the 2023 World Championship in May of 2023 , expecting to work out a contract starting in the current season of 23/24. That is when Gauthier informed them that he didn't want to play here. It was Gautheir's choice not to sign and with no other choice at the time, to play another season at BU.

The context of the previous discussion was how much money it cost Gauthier by the Flyers not wanting to sign him for the tail end of the 22/23 season.
- MJL

See, I thought it was how much money it cost Cutter. I don't care, and really tired of reading about it.

I think the Flyers management screwed up...they throw elc's around like candy canes at Christmas...yet they don't for one of the top 2 prospects on the team. seems wierd, as they could have signed him, have his contract slide, and that would be that. But instead, to not sign one of the top prospects on the team to his elc seems really, really dumb. Most top picks seem to be signed fairly quickly after being drafted, yet the Flyers didn't want to.

I'm not at all a fan of any of those 3 guys in their roles but I have no issue with their message. If you don't want to be a Flyers, you won't be. That is the correct message.
- MJL

They certainly didn't need the Pres and CEO making the media rounds after Danny had already spoken. Danny talking about "protecting" the kid and then the team basically does a full coordinated media press on why they're better off without him... or in Torts' case Cutter is such a non-factor that he allegedly doesn't even know who he is haha.

The matter of fact way Danny said it sounded more like he was being candid about their internal analysis of Cutter: "we saw him more as a winger"

Hilferty and Jonesy and Torts on the other hand tho... they sounded bitter and a bit petty.
- Tomahawk

When a kid treats your organization that way I think the answers were spot on. The kid deserves everything that’s going to come his way. I’m just glad that not one representative for the team wished the kid well. You want to treat people that way then you fully deserve to be treated the same way. I’m fine with a kid deciding he wants something different but when you insult people by ghosting them then to me that shows a severe lack of character. F him and his agent…or handler…whatever.

See, I thought it was how much money it cost Cutter. I don't care, and really tired of reading about it.

I think the Flyers management screwed up...they throw elc's around like candy canes at Christmas...yet they don't for one of the top 2 prospects on the team. seems wierd, as they could have signed him, have his contract slide, and that would be that. But instead, to not sign one of the top prospects on the team to his elc seems really, really dumb. Most top picks seem to be signed fairly quickly after being drafted, yet the Flyers didn't want to.
- TheFreak

It does seem weird because it's been done many times with high profile players. Jake Sanderson, Owen Power, Luke Hughes to name a few. It wouldn't have been a slide situation because once Gauthier signed, his NCAA eligibility was done. It still does not justify Gauthier doing what he did in my opinion.

They certainly didn't need the Pres and CEO making the media rounds after Danny had already spoken. Danny talking about "protecting" the kid and then the team basically does a full coordinated media press on why they're better off without him... or in Torts' case Cutter is such a non-factor that he allegedly doesn't even know who he is haha.
- Tomahawk

I don't have any issue with that. It's a big story. It's all over the hockey world.

They certainly didn't need the Pres and CEO making the media rounds after Danny had already spoken. Danny talking about "protecting" the kid and then the team basically does a full coordinated media press on why they're better off without him... or in Torts' case Cutter is such a non-factor that he allegedly doesn't even know who he is haha.
- Tomahawk

In fairness to Torts, these questions were asked after his team got spanked by the Pens. I agree there was no need for Hilferty to get involved.

I'm not at all a fan of any of those 3 guys in their roles but I have no issue with their message. If you don't want to be a Flyer, you won't be. That is the correct message.
- MJL

So what do they do if they now have multiple players say that...lol

Say TK, Farabee and Foerster all say they don't want to be Flyers anymore..are they trading all three?

So what do they do if they now have multiple players say that...lol

Say TK, Farabee and Foerster all say they don't want to be Flyers anymore..are they trading all three?
- TheFreak

If the dudes don't want to play for the Flyers they should trade them. Why would you force them to stay if they do not want to?