So what do they do if they now have multiple players say that...lol

Say TK, Farabee and Foerster all say they don't want to be Flyers anymore..are they trading all three?
- TheFreak

Maybe but that is not likely to happen.

They certainly didn't need the Pres and CEO making the media rounds after Danny had already spoken. Danny talking about "protecting" the kid and then the team basically does a full coordinated media press on why they're better off without him... or in Torts' case Cutter is such a non-factor that he allegedly doesn't even know who he is haha.
- Tomahawk

Torts focus is and should be on guys that want to be here. There is no reason for the Flyers to appease this kid or protect him any longer. They told a fan base basically what happened. To make that trade without context would have been a huge mistake and I’m sure CG’s camp would have eventually given their side and gone public. If the situation makes him look like he has character issues that’s probably because he does.

When a kid treats your organization that way I think the answers were spot on. The kid deserves everything that’s going to come his way. I’m just glad that not one representative for the team wished the kid well. You want to treat people that way then you fully deserve to be treated the same way. I’m fine with a kid deciding he wants something different but when you insult people by ghosting them then to me that shows a severe lack of character. F him and his agent…or handler…whatever.
- landros 2

You just don't see CEO/Pres/GM all put on air in quick succession like that all cutting into a player. It's never been so obvious that the team is owned by a media company and employs savvy media strategists. The fanbase could be roiling over losing one their top prospects who was just lit it up and won gold... but instead we all have our pitchforks out ready to go after Cutter, Kevin Hayes and who knows who else.

So what do they do if they now have multiple players say that...lol

Say TK, Farabee and Foerster all say they don't want to be Flyers anymore..are they trading all three?
- TheFreak

Why would that happen? The Flyers have always tried to run a first class operation….hell , even Hayes basically said he loved it there and had no hate for Torts….basically handling himself like a pro…not a spoiled beutch.

You just don't see CEO/Pres/GM all put on air in quick succession like that all cutting into a player. It's never been so obvious that the team is owned by a media company and employs savvy media strategists. The fanbase could be roiling over losing one their top prospects who was just lit it up and won gold... but instead we all have out pitchforks out ready to go after Cutter, Kevin Hayes and who knows who else.
- Tomahawk

I don't think they cut into the player. They simply explained their side and their reasoning.

It does seem weird because it's been done many times with high profile players. Jake Sanderson, Owen Power, Luke Hughes to name a few. It wouldn't have been a slide situation because once Gauthier signed, his NCAA eligibility was done. It still does not justify Gauthier doing what he did in my opinion.
- MJL

His contract can still slide....I wasn't talking about NCAA. I was talking about his NHL contract sliding...which then only his bonuses would have counted, and if he played less than 10 games, then only his signing bonus would have. I also believe if he had only played a handful of games to burn the first year off his contract, that would have had to be a condition in the contract.

Players who qualify in the entry-level system, also known as “Group 1” players, must sign contracts with strict limits on term and compensation.

If an 18 or 19-year-old* player signs an entry-level contract but doesn’t play in at least ten games in the first season of that contract, the terms** and number of years are automatically extended one year — effectively “sliding” the contract.

This automatic extension doesn’t apply for players who turn 20 between September 16 and December 31 in the year they sign their contract.

Second Slide: If an 18-year-old player (at the time of contract signing) has his contract slide and then doesn’t play in at least ten games in the second season either, his contract will slide again.

**Contract Terms: The player’s base salary “slides” in all cases. Signing bonuses do not slide, but a team and player can agree to contrary terms regarding games played bonuses and performance bonuses.

Real Example: The Edmonton Oilers signed Leon Draisaitl to an entry-level contract on October 12, 2014. Draisaitl was 18 at the time of signing the deal and also as calculated with regards to the entry-level contract slide rule (see here for more on age calculation).

Draisaitl’s contract would have been eligible to slide had he played less than ten games in the 2014-15 season. Draisaitl played 37 games prior to being returned to the Canadian Hockey League, meaning his contract does not slide and 2015-16 will be the second season of his entry-level deal.

CBA Reference: 9.1 (d) Pages 23-24

If the dudes don't want to play for the Flyers they should trade them. Why would you force them to stay if they do not want to?
- mickel25

I think everybody agrees with your last statement, but there will always be a number of unhappy guys who are basically stuck due to practical concerns. Also many examples of guys who asked to be traded but then changed their minds and ended up sticking around long term so it's not so black and white.

Why would that happen? The Flyers have always tried to run a first class operation….hell , even Hayes basically said he loved it there and had no hate for Torts….basically handling himself like a pro…not a spoiled beutch.
- landros 2

I am just throwing it out there. To state "If you don't want to be a Flyer, you won't be", could be a dangerous thing to state.

You just don't see CEO/Pres/GM all put on air in quick succession like that all cutting into a player. It's never been so obvious that the team is owned by a media company and employs savvy media strategists. The fanbase could be roiling over losing one their top prospects who was just lit it up and won gold... but instead we all have our pitchforks out ready to go after Cutter, Kevin Hayes and who knows who else.
- Tomahawk

If the goal was to get deranged Flyer fans sending death threats to Hayes and his family, then they can put up a Mission Accomplished banner tonight.

I am just throwing it out there. To state "If you don't want to be a Flyer, you won't be", could be a dangerous thing to state.
- TheFreak

I like that statement and agree whole heartedly. Might change my mind if it becomes more common for kids not wanting to sign by who drafted them. But its not on the regular.

If the goal was to get deranged Flyer fans sending death threats to Hayes and his family, then they can put up a Mission Accomplished banner tonight.
- Feanor

Yeah, all kinds of (frank)ed up... people saying to Kevin that they're glad Jimmy's dead.

Therien and our local media sure know how to stir up the hornet's nest.

Cutter is is his middle name. His actual name is William.

You just don't see CEO/Pres/GM all put on air in quick succession like that all cutting into a player. It's never been so obvious that the team is owned by a media company and employs savvy media strategists. The fanbase could be roiling over losing one their top prospects who was just lit it up and won gold... but instead we all have out pitchforks out ready to go after Cutter, Kevin Hayes and who knows who else.
- Tomahawk

Make no mistake….I’m very disappointed in this outcome. I really thought he could become the face of the franchise. I’m not sure the Flyers could have handled it much better “after” what ever led to CG’s actions….because we Don really know what set him off….if it’s about what’s being reported that he’s upset about the lack of a contract at end of last year then the Agent needed to set him straight. The Flyers have always over paid…lol…his $ would definitely have come if he turned out anywhere as good as is advertised. I point to Anaheim and Verbeeks handling of Drysdale and Zegras this last summer….CG is now in an organization that watch’s their nicols and dimes…financially speaking his move was extremely short sighted.

I think everybody agrees with your last statement, but there will always be a number of unhappy guys who are basically stuck due to practical concerns. Also many examples of guys who asked to be traded but then changed their minds and ended up sticking around long term so it's not so black and white.
- Tomahawk

Agreed. If the player is a professional about it I think most teams will do what they can within reason to accommodate the request. Sometimes nothing can be done and the player needs to play out the contract.

Fortunately, Cutter and his reps did not go public and the Flyers were able to get a very good return in this scenario.

Yeah, all kinds of (frank)ed up... people saying to Kevin that they're glad Jimmy's dead.

Therien and our local media sure know how to stir up the hornet's nest.
- Tomahawk

That is pretty messed up. I'm sure it was just a few numbskulls, and that is all it takes these days with social media.

I am just throwing it out there. To state "If you don't want to be a Flyer, you won't be", could be a dangerous thing to state.
- TheFreak

If guys aren’t all in do you want them on the team? Look at Provy… good d man…maybe our best the last few years. He didn’t want to be here. He’s not. And despite his talent the Flyers are better off.

His contract can still slide....I wasn't talking about NCAA. I was talking about his NHL contract sliding...which then only his bonuses would have counted, and if he played less than 10 games, then only his signing bonus would have. I also believe if he had only played a handful of games to burn the first year off his contract, that would have had to be a condition in the contract.



Players who qualify in the entry-level system, also known as “Group 1” players, must sign contracts with strict limits on term and compensation.

If an 18 or 19-year-old* player signs an entry-level contract but doesn’t play in at least ten games in the first season of that contract, the terms** and number of years are automatically extended one year — effectively “sliding” the contract.

This automatic extension doesn’t apply for players who turn 20 between September 16 and December 31 in the year they sign their contract.

Second Slide: If an 18-year-old player (at the time of contract signing) has his contract slide and then doesn’t play in at least ten games in the second season either, his contract will slide again.

**Contract Terms: The player’s base salary “slides” in all cases. Signing bonuses do not slide, but a team and player can agree to contrary terms regarding games played bonuses and performance bonuses.

Real Example: The Edmonton Oilers signed Leon Draisaitl to an entry-level contract on October 12, 2014. Draisaitl was 18 at the time of signing the deal and also as calculated with regards to the entry-level contract slide rule (see here for more on age calculation).

Draisaitl’s contract would have been eligible to slide had he played less than ten games in the 2014-15 season. Draisaitl played 37 games prior to being returned to the Canadian Hockey League, meaning his contract does not slide and 2015-16 will be the second season of his entry-level deal.

CBA Reference: 9.1 (d) Pages 23-24
- TheFreak

In order for an ELC to slide, the player has to be sent back to junior level hockey. AHL is still professional hockey and would count as a year of his ELC. Since his NCAA eligibility would be over once he signed. He is not a slide candidate. It is different for NCAA players versus players coming out of say the QMJL.

Yeah, all kinds of (frank)ed up... people saying to Kevin that they're glad Jimmy's dead.

Therien and our local media sure know how to stir up the hornet's nest.
- Tomahawk

Hayes is a good dude….just because things didn’t work out here doesn’t change that. Social media does bring out the worst in some.

Yeah, all kinds of (frank)ed up... people saying to Kevin that they're glad Jimmy's dead.

Therien and our local media sure know how to stir up the hornet's nest.
- Tomahawk

That was really stupid. Is Therien a Flyers employee again? If so, maybe they should fire him again.

That was really stupid. Is Therien a Flyers employee again? If so, maybe they should fire him again.
- Dkos

Therien is a complete fraud. When the Flyers fired him as the radio analyst, he was doing all kinds of bad mouthing of the Flyers. Now that he's back in the fold again, he is the company spokesman again. He has no credibility in my view.

In order for an ELC to slide, the player has to be sent back to junior level hockey. AHL is still professional hockey and would count as a year of his ELC. Since his NCAA eligibility would be over once he signed. He is not a slide candidate. It is different for NCAA players versus players coming out of say the QMJL.
- MJL

Hagg's contract slid in 14-15 when he played a full season in LHV. Only NHL games count.

The sent back to junior thing only applies to CHL players, as per the NHL/CHL transfer agreement. They can't play in the AHL/ECHL until 20.

Yeah, all kinds of (frank)ed up... people saying to Kevin that they're glad Jimmy's dead.

Therien and our local media sure know how to stir up the hornet's nest.
- Tomahawk

Yeah, that poop was embarrassing. ASF and Bundy should be ashamed of themselves. Isn't that podcast now a Flyers mouthpiece too? And all of the rabid Flyer fans and Torts lovers basically ate it right up.

Therien is a complete fraud. When the Flyers fired him as the radio analyst, he was doing all kinds of bad mouthing of the Flyers. Now that he's back in the fold again, he is the company spokesman again. He has no credibility in my view.
- MJL

I think Therein says what he believes about the Flyers on the podcast. He is definitely happier with the direction of the team since Jonesy and Briere took over. I think almost all of would agree with him on that.

I do not listen regularly. But the times I have he seemed genuine to me. His comments are not always positive either.

Hagg's contract slid in 14-15 when he played a full season in LHV. Only NHL games count.

The sent back to junior thing only applies to CHL players, as per the NHL/CHL transfer agreement. They can't play in the AHL/ECHL until 20.
- Tomahawk

There had to be some kind of special condition for Haag that I'm not aware of. AHL games absolutely count. Just go onto Cap friendly and look up any of the players the Flyers have signed to ELC's that have already played a season in the AHL.

There had to be some kind of special condition for Haag that I'm not aware of. AHL games absolutely count. Just go onto Cap friendly and look up any of the players the Flyers have signed to ELC's that have already played a season in the AHL.
- MJL

He was 19 when he signed I believe.