The agent is quoted as saying its a private matter between Gauthier and his family.
3 pages ago I brought up his former pro goalie father maybe having an effect/affect on the situation........
- RajaAmpat

You did indeed. But I did not understand at all. What has his dad having coffee with the Sharks have to do with all this?

It's strictly based on birthday and NHL-games.

AHL games do not count toward slide-eligibility.

If you feel that's incorrect please give an example of a player who was 18/19 who didn't slide in the AHL.
- Tomahawk

I did not state that AHL games count towards slide eligibility in terms of what you're talking about. That is a completely different thing. Unless a player falls into the European or late birthday scenario, which is a small percentage of players. AHL games count towards a players ELC., which is what I stated. For example, please look at the contract data for the following players.

https://www.capfriendly.c.../players/elliot-desnoyers

In 22/23, Desnoyers played 4 NHL games, less than the 10 game threshold, but played 65 AHL games. It counted as a year on his ELC.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/zayde-wisdom

Wisdom played 0 games in the NHL and 45 games in the AHL, it counted as year on his ELC contract.

Once a players ELC starts, he can no longer slide. You are out of context in terms of how it applies to Gauthier.

When a kid treats your organization that way I think the answers were spot on. The kid deserves everything that’s going to come his way. I’m just glad that not one representative for the team wished the kid well. You want to treat people that way then you fully deserve to be treated the same way. I’m fine with a kid deciding he wants something different but when you insult people by ghosting them then to me that shows a severe lack of character. F him and his agent…or handler…whatever.
- landros 2

Warning: No offense with the tone below, nothing personal, just using it to convey a message

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For the love of god, please (frank)ing stop with this "deserve" and "entitled" nonsense. Danny Boy is a management exec. His boss is a national media company. You are his customer.


This is a (frank)ing business.

Your franchise is the same one that had an icon promise Jeff Carter he would not be traded, signed him to a team friendly deal, and then traded him within days. It is the same one that fought the claims of a long time employee who claimed to get cancer from workplace conditions in court.


You saw a hardball dispute between labor and ownership get resolved, within the rules. Such disputes go on all the time, you just haven't seen them in public. And one of this kind.

You want emotion and morality, go to church or host a (frank)ing family dinner. Comcast bought the house that Snider built. Part of the reason it paid the cash it did is undying loyalty (aka stupidity) of its fans.

I did not state that AHL games count towards slide eligibility in terms of what you're talking about. That is a completely different thing. Unless a player falls into the European or late birthday scenario, which is a small percentage of players. AHL games count towards a players ELC., which is what I stated. For example, please look at the contract data for the following players.

https://www.capfriendly.c.../players/elliot-desnoyers

In 22/23, Desnoyers played 4 NHL games, less than the 10 game threshold, but played 65 AHL games. It counted as a year on his ELC.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/zayde-wisdom

Wisdom played 0 games in the NHL and 45 games in the AHL, it counted as year on his ELC contract.

Once a players ELC starts, he can no longer slide. You are out of context in terms of how it applies to Gauthier.
- MJL

Desnoyers and Wisdom were both no longer slide eligible in 22/23 due to age.

Warning: No offense with the tone below, nothing personal, just using it to convey a message

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For the love of god, please (frank)ing stop with this "deserve" and "entitled" nonsense. Danny Boy is a management exec. His boss is a national media company. You are his customer.


This is a (frank)ing business.

Your franchise is the same one that had an icon promise Jeff Carter he would not be traded, signed him to a team friendly deal, and then traded him within days. It is the same one that fought the claims of a long time employee who claimed to get cancer from workplace conditions in court.


You saw a hardball dispute between labor and ownership get resolved, within the rules. Such disputes go on all the time, you just haven't seen them in public. And one of this kind.

You want emotion and morality, go to church or host a (frank)ing family dinner. Comcast bought the house that Snider built. Part of the reason it paid the cash it did is undying loyalty (aka stupidity) of its fans.
- PT21

Well said dude.

Desnoyers and Wisdom were both no longer slide eligible in 22/23 due to age.
- Tomahawk

Again, you're hung on slide rule eligibility. Nothing to do with what I stated. I stated that AHL games played count towards a players ELC. Unless he falls within the category of a European player, which is the case with Haag, or a late birthday situation. Then a player can play AHL games and have it not count towards his ELC.

Well said dude.
- Tomahawk

That's true that it's a business but there is a big difference in the situations. Yes, Holmgren told Carter and Curran his agent that he wasn't going to trade him. Was he lying or was it the truth at the time and he changed his mind. Don't know. However, this is a player that was already an established NHL player. Had already had seasons of 29, 46 and 33 goal seasons. Had already played 5 NHL seasons. That situation is quite different from the Gauthier situation and never played an NHL game. It is spot on to label Gauthier as entitled.

Again, you're hung on slide rule eligibility. Nothing to do with what I stated. I stated that AHL games played count towards a players ELC. Unless he falls within the category of a European player, which is the case with Haag, or a late birthday situation. Then a player can play AHL games and have it not count towards his ELC.
- MJL

Yes, AHL games do count against the ELC as long as the player isn't slide-eligible. Nobody was debating that.

If they are slide-eligible, you get Hagg/Nylander/etc. And Gauthier if he had played for the Phantoms this season (assuming no CHL teams hold his rights).

Yes, AHL games do count against the ELC as long as the player isn't slide-eligible. Nobody was debating that.

If they are slide-eligible, you get Hagg/Nylander/etc. And Gauthier if he had played for the Phantoms this season (assuming no CHL teams hold his rights).
- Tomahawk

European players are an exception and not the rule for the majority of players
In the Gauthier situation, the context was Gauthier making it a condition for signing in late 22 that the first year of his ELC is burned. Similar to a number of other high profile NCAA players.

That's true that it's a business but there is a big difference in the situations. Yes, Holmgren told Carter and Curran his agent that he wasn't going to trade him. Was he lying or was it the truth at the time and he changed his mind. Don't know. However, this is a player that was already an established NHL player. Had already had seasons of 29, 46 and 33 goal seasons. Had already played 5 NHL seasons. That situation is quite different from the Gauthier situation and never played an NHL game. It is spot on to label Gauthier as entitled.
- MJL

Doubt either party is completely blameless in this situation but currently only one side is speaking, so who knows.

Doubt either party is completely blameless in this situation but currently only one side is speaking, so who knows.
- Tomahawk

The Flyers should've bit the bullet and signed him at the end of 22. I don't buy the bonus overage argument. I don't see that as a legit reason for Gauthier to dig in his heels and say he's not going to play for the Flyers

It's sports talk radio. Put as much stock into it as you would 97.5... aka none.

They are getting what they wanted which was a feature of the Ed Snider Flyers - drama. They want drama as a feature of the identity of the team. Controversy gets people to talk about the team and in their mind will drive interest. I'm sure they want to build a club that can actually win (whether they can or not remains to be seen) but they certainly want the Flyers to be front page news just like Ed Snider wanted.
- atibus

Sure seems like it.

You did indeed. But I did not understand at all. What has his dad having coffee with the Sharks have to do with all this?
- PT21

It is not about the Sharks.
It is about having a pro athlete father who may have intervened somehow in the young mans' decision process with the agent alluding a to a family issue.
Did his father ever cross paths with any of the Flyers execs or coaches in his career and have a problem? Hey for all I know, you could speculate someone hit on the guys mother at this point, considering the types of rumors that went around Bedard.

I just find it suspicious when a Swedish based agent ( where Cutter was born) states it is a family issue and there is a retired pro player dad.

It is not about the Sharks.
It is about having a pro athlete father who may have intervened somehow in the young mans' decision process with the agent alluding a to a family issue.
Did his father ever cross paths with any of the Flyers execs or coaches in his career and have a problem? Hey for all I know, you could speculate someone hit on the guys mother at this point, considering the types of rumors that went around Bedard.

I just find it suspicious when a Swedish based agent ( where Cutter was born) states it is a family issue and there is a retired pro player dad.
- RajaAmpat

Would it be unusual for a father of a 19 year old to give counsel to his son or for a son to ask his father's advice?

Saying it is a family issue just simply saying it is none of our business.

It is not about the Sharks.
It is about having a pro athlete father who may have intervened somehow in the young mans' decision process with the agent alluding a to a family issue.
Did his father ever cross paths with any of the Flyers execs or coaches in his career and have a problem? Hey for all I know, you could speculate someone hit on the guys mother at this point, considering the types of rumors that went around Bedard.

I just find it suspicious when a Swedish based agent ( where Cutter was born) states it is a family issue and there is a retired pro player dad.
- RajaAmpat

Ah ok, I understand. But wouldn't that sort of issue have come up right away after the draft?

I took the family reference to mean that the family has collectively decided not to have the relationship with the Flyers. Not something that stems from dad's pro past.

I have no idea really.

As I said, at the time people were pretty put off by Lindros refusing to sign with the team that drafted him. I was put off by it too, but happy to have him on the Flyers. I didn’t and don’t know anything about the owner wanting to f his mom. I just googled it and saw something about Lindros not wanting to go there because the owner had been accused of sexual harassment by a female colleague.
- Dkos

Yeah it came out after kinda when team left Quebec. I think lindros himself said something to the effect of owners actions towards his mother when lindros did that special with Quebec fan base a few years ago discussion who’s decision not to play for them.

That part about his Mom ranks right up there with Lindros sleeping with Brind'Amour's wife. It's amazing the stuff people will buy.
- MJL

There is nothing to buy. It’s been documented that’s why lindros wouldn’t play for the owner. It was never he wouldn’t play for Quebec. It was the owner.

Also yes lindros (frank)ed brindy wife. That is also documented

There is nothing to buy. It’s been documented that’s why lindros wouldn’t play for the owner. It was never he wouldn’t play for Quebec. It was the owner.

Also yes lindros (frank)ed brindy wife. That is also documented
- Stayin alive

Both are completely false. Neither has been documented. Brind'Amour and Lindros are close friends to this day. You're living in fantasy land.