Boo
wanted the Jays to sign him


its fun having a pitcher who can throw 102

Jays offseason has been 1 big underwhelming stinky turd
- senstroll

Yup.
Not sure he was the best fit, but seeing those 3 digits on radar was fun

Options:

CLB - Jenner, Gudbranson, Peeke
CHI- Murphy, Richardinson
ANA- Henrique Lyubushkin
Minn- Fleury Maroon
CAL- Tanev Lindholm Vladar
MON- Savard
NASH- Fabbro
SJ- Ferraro Duclair Blackwood
OTT- Chychrun

Feel free to add

for those who are into these things
Zips projections for the Jays

https://blogs.fangraphs.c...ctions-toronto-blue-jays/

Varsho would feel a lot better if he did hit 25hr and was 109 ops+

also Davis Schneider proj 2.9 war and 111 ops+ is real nice (borat voice)

Options:

CLB - Jenner, Gudbranson, Peeke
CHI- Murphy, Richardinson
ANA- Henrique Lyubushkin
Minn- Fleury Maroon
CAL- Tanev Lindholm Vladar
MON- Savard
NASH- Fabbro
SJ- Ferraro Duclair Blackwood
OTT- Chychrun

Feel free to add
- mr.sir

i like Vladar, but hes been trash this year

whoa ..MP has hard opinions on the Jays

ill wait until spring training before I poop on them.
but other teams...above them who they need to compete with..made moves. to get better.
I just want them to push and get into the same convo. not be the same 88-90 win projection. 3rd in the div.



- senstroll

I wish I could be as mad at the Leafs as I am at the Jays. Perhaps it's because we've been through such terrible times with the Leafs that the hopelessness and the "there's always next year!" mantra have just created an environment of apathy at times.

The truth is that with this iteration of the Leafs, I like the players, but there are a number of philosophical things they need change about the way the D plays and the bottom 6 plays, but it felt like they were getting it last year.

With the Jays, they have some pieces and claim they want to be better but with these guys it feels like lip service. Why are they losing out on every free agent or opportunity, despite supposedly being willing to spend so much on Ohtani? The areas of absolute need are reliability at the plate and strength in the bullpen. I don't feel they've done a thing to fix it. The Blue Jays have very much doubled-down with almost no change over last year, except possibly to get worse. So . . yeah, not pleased whatsoever.

TDL is not going to magically fix things, even if you have a savvy GM.

The Leafs need the two most valuable and scarce assets in the league - above average goalies and BIG HARD D. The teams that have them aren't giving them away for peanuts. Even teams that are sellers are not going give away top-pairing d-men and legit starting goalies. You gotta give to get and what are the Leafs willing/able to give?

Tanev's name keeps getting thrown around. Hanifin and guys like that. Both would be solid adds if the price was right, but they aren't going to fix things overnight. I don't think they are the missing pieces that puts the Leafs in the finals.

I think the Leafs are going to end up rolling with what they have, mostly. They might add a Tanev at the deadline, but I think Woll-Jones are your playoff goalies and the roster you see now is the largely the same one you are gonna see in the postseason.

I wish I could be as mad at the Leafs as I am at the Jays. Perhaps it's because we've been through such terrible times with the Leafs that the hopelessness and the "there's always next year!" mantra have just created an environment of apathy at times.

The truth is that with this iteration of the Leafs, I like the players, but there are a number of philosophical things they need change about the way the D plays and the bottom 6 plays, but it felt like they were getting it last year.

With the Jays, they have some pieces and claim they want to be better but with these guys it feels like lip service. Why are they losing out on every free agent or opportunity, despite supposedly being willing to spend so much on Ohtani? The areas of absolute need are reliability at the plate and strength in the bullpen. I don't feel they've done a thing to fix it. The Blue Jays have very much doubled-down with almost no change over last year, except possibly to get worse. So . . yeah, not pleased whatsoever.
- Monkeypunk

they are so far looking like they are going to run it back...pretty well the same.
last season a lot of key players had a weird down year, Kirk, Vlad, Chapman, Varsho...and even Bo .

The Bullpen is decent still. and that can always be tweaked during the season.

I jus want to see a more exciting team, esp at home..where they felt flat and boring

TDL is not going to magically fix things, even if you have a savvy GM.

The Leafs need the two most valuable and scarce assets in the league - above average goalies and BIG HARD D. The teams that have them aren't giving them away for peanuts. Even teams that are sellers are not going give away top-pairing d-men and legit starting goalies. You gotta give to get and what are the Leafs willing/able to give?

Tanev's name keeps getting thrown around. Hanifin and guys like that. Both would be solid adds if the price was right, but they aren't going to fix things overnight. I don't think they are the missing pieces that puts the Leafs in the finals.

I think the Leafs are going to end up rolling with what they have, mostly. They might add a Tanev at the deadline, but I think Woll-Jones are your playoff goalies and the roster you see now is the largely the same one you are gonna see in the postseason.
- GalacticStone

I’m not sure the Leafs need a magical fix. They have pretty good pieces on defence but need an upgrade into one of the two top pairs and an improvement on the 3rd line. At this point, the goalie situation is unclear - need some games for Woll to get a sense of what he can do and will need to make a decision if they move Sammy’s $ out. Beyond that it comes down to what Bert ‘n Max bring and the extent to which the big boys can push through the playoff intensity

** Edit - removed the comment making an outright assumption you are trolling, you may be but whatever. Left in the last one because I hate the Eagles. Cry Eagles Cry! lol**



Is the Defense better - no.

Have they had as many AHL D-men playing a huge chunk of this season as NHL D men due to injury - yes.

Was Joseph Woll absolutely killing it before he got hurt - yep.

Has Martin Jones been a really nice surprise and was just named NHL player of the week - Yep.

Leaf fans are generally fans for life, many lived through the Ballard years and are still here proving they can make it through almost anything.


There is this new fangled thing called trades that teams can do where they swap players or draft picks or sometimes both to change what they have on their roster before a deadline to improve in areas they feel they need to!

It's super cool you should read up on it!

Now get out from under that bridge and go buy some batteries to throw at players you don't like or make some snowballs to throw at Santa.
- Cush29

That’s all I needed to hear! Lol

I’m not sure the Leafs need a magical fix. They have pretty good pieces on defence but need an upgrade into one of the two top pairs and an improvement on the 3rd line. At this point, the goalie situation is unclear - need some games for Woll to get a sense of what he can do and will need to make a decision if they move Sammy’s $ out. Beyond that it comes down to what Bert ‘n Max bring and the extent to which the big boys can push through the playoff intensity
- Canada Cup

Agreed. I don't think the Leafs are completely broken and need a magic fix. I think they just need some luck and one of their elite players to put the team on their back (Matthews?).

If Woll gets hot and Matthews goes full beast mode, good things will happen, especially if the supporting cast gets involved. I mean, the Blues won with F-ing Binnington in net.

I'm bullish and I am sticking with it. Even if they do nothing at the TDL, I expect to see them make the conference finals. Arguably, their path could be easier this year as Tampa and Boston are both in decline.

Options:

CLB - Jenner, Gudbranson, Peeke
CHI- Murphy, Richardinson
ANA- Henrique Lyubushkin
Minn- Fleury Maroon
CAL- Tanev Lindholm Vladar
MON- Savard
NASH- Fabbro
SJ- Ferraro Duclair Blackwood
OTT- Chychrun

Feel free to add
- mr.sir

Can I subtract? Jokes ...bolded the ones I think they zero in on due to cost/cap. If Seattle drops out maybe Tanev, Wennberg ...Larsson are names added to the mix.

TDL is not going to magically fix things, even if you have a savvy GM.

The Leafs need the two most valuable and scarce assets in the league - above average goalies and BIG HARD D. The teams that have them aren't giving them away for peanuts. Even teams that are sellers are not going give away top-pairing d-men and legit starting goalies. You gotta give to get and what are the Leafs willing/able to give?

Tanev's name keeps getting thrown around. Hanifin and guys like that. Both would be solid adds if the price was right, but they aren't going to fix things overnight. I don't think they are the missing pieces that puts the Leafs in the finals.

I think the Leafs are going to end up rolling with what they have, mostly. They might add a Tanev at the deadline, but I think Woll-Jones are your playoff goalies and the roster you see now is the largely the same one you are gonna see in the postseason.
- GalacticStone

The TDL won't fix all of the issues, but no team goes into the playoffs as a perfect team now that the cap is in place. Whether the team has gaps in goaltending, defense or offense, there are always holes. Last year the Oilers acquired Ekholm and Bjugstad - and Bjugstad wasn't doing much - but that one guy, Ekholm, let them push other players down in the D-group and it gave them depth on the second and third pairing they hadn't previously had. It gave them a competent top pairing that wasn't as error prone. It changed the complexion of that team and he is the key reason they went 18-2-1 after he was acquired.

I still think the fact that he missed all of training camp with a hip flexor injury and had a slow start to the season as he recovered and then got up to speed is a major reason the Oilers were so bad to start the year.

Options:

CLB - Jenner, Gudbranson, Peeke
CHI- Murphy, Richardinson
ANA- Henrique Lyubushkin
Minn- Fleury Maroon
CAL- Tanev Lindholm Vladar
MON- Savard
NASH- Fabbro
SJ- Ferraro Duclair Blackwood
OTT- Chychrun

Feel free to add
- mr.sir

I like any of these

I wish I could be as mad at the Leafs as I am at the Jays. Perhaps it's because we've been through such terrible times with the Leafs that the hopelessness and the "there's always next year!" mantra have just created an environment of apathy at times.

The truth is that with this iteration of the Leafs, I like the players, but there are a number of philosophical things they need change about the way the D plays and the bottom 6 plays, but it felt like they were getting it last year.

With the Jays, they have some pieces and claim they want to be better but with these guys it feels like lip service. Why are they losing out on every free agent or opportunity, despite supposedly being willing to spend so much on Ohtani? The areas of absolute need are reliability at the plate and strength in the bullpen. I don't feel they've done a thing to fix it. The Blue Jays have very much doubled-down with almost no change over last year, except possibly to get worse. So . . yeah, not pleased whatsoever.
- Monkeypunk

Good thing for Jays fans is that even with the signings, the Sox and the Yankees are going to be crappier than last year…

Figure Stanton and judge on the DL for at least 100 games… along with perpetually, broken Rizzo…

Who the hell knows what the Sox are up to…

The Orioles & the Rays will be the clubhouse leaders..

they are so far looking like they are going to run it back...pretty well the same.
last season a lot of key players had a weird down year, Kirk, Vlad, Chapman, Varsho...and even Bo .

The Bullpen is decent still. and that can always be tweaked during the season.

I jus want to see a more exciting team, esp at home..where they felt flat and boring
- senstroll

I've been a little out the jays rumour loop. Are they at all still in on Chapman? Or are they 'run it back' except Chapman out and IKF in ...and Belt out and a new DH in?

Nick Foligno doing the reverse vet move and get severely overpaid on a terrible team to end his career.

13.5M in 3 years for his production is insane, he won the lottery
- Santo_44

He'll enjoy going to a contender in his final year and all dat MOOOOOONNNNEEEYYY

Options:

CLB - Jenner, Gudbranson, Peeke
CHI- Murphy, Richardinson
ANA- Henrique Lyubushkin
Minn- Fleury Maroon
CAL- Tanev Lindholm Vladar
MON- Savard
NASH- Fabbro
SJ- Ferraro Duclair Blackwood
OTT- Chychrun

Feel free to add
- mr.sir

If they are REALLY going for it, this is the way. Fills the line up out perfectly IMO.

Knies, GOD, Marner
Bert, Tavares, Godlander
Domi, Poone, Jarnkrok
Gregor, Kampf, Perry

Reilly, Gudbranson
McCabe, Lily
Gio, Brodie
Beniot, Lagusson

Murray/Woll/Jones

Yes please!

Good thing for Jays fans is that even with the signings, the Sox and the Yankees are going to be crappier than last year…

Figure Stanton and judge on the DL for at least 100 games… along with perpetually, broken Rizzo…

Who the hell knows what the Sox are up to…

The Orioles & the Rays will be the clubhouse leaders..
- dozerD10

Think the Yankees will be good and probably win the Div. adding Soto and Stroman...they are pretty good
I dont know what the Orioles will be, everything went right for them last season.

I've been a little out the jays rumour loop. Are they at all still in on Chapman? Or are they 'run it back' except Chapman out and IKF in ...and Belt out and a new DH in?
- The Law

I guess its possible they bring Chapman back, but dont think so.

3b is a mess, a bunch of options.

I guess its possible they bring Chapman back, but dont think so.

3b is a mess, a bunch of options.


- senstroll

Ya looks like the formula for success is Vlad needs to be MVP level, Bo needs to maintain, and Springer needs to stay healthy and find his upper level. If those all happen then the bats are good and the pitching 'should' be excellent.

Maybe the wildcard is Manoah/Tiedemann

Think the Yankees will be good and probably win the Div. adding Soto and Stroman...they are pretty good
I dont know what the Orioles will be, everything went right for them last season.
- senstroll

Trust me, Soto is grossly overrated.. and if he pushes judge to center they’re screwed… judge will be broken more than usual…

They still have nobody at shortstop… and left field as a train wreck.. they won’t be anywhere near the top of the division…

First waived to Skalapy.
- GalacticStone

FIRSTIES 👊🏿😁

Ya looks like the formula for success is Vlad needs to be MVP level, Bo needs to maintain, and Springer needs to stay healthy and find his upper level. If those all happen then the bats are good and the pitching 'should' be excellent.

Maybe the wildcard is Manoah/Tiedemann
- The Law

very doubltful VLAD is MVP, he just has to be 2022'ish

Springer is on this last legs..I wouldnt expect a lot from him

They need a stay at home physical guy, dominant, plain and simple
- Dozzer

Trust me, Soto is grossly overrated.. and if he pushes judge to center they’re screwed… judge will be broken more than usual…

They still have nobody at shortstop… and left field as a train wreck.. they won’t be anywhere near the top of the division…
- dozerD10

Man soto has a career
284/421/524 with .946 ops and 157 ops+

thats ...umm really really good...HOF and borderline alltime great level
oh and he is 25