You've made a number of posts in opposition to Buffalo as a possibility due to having Devon Levi. Why would LA be interested in Hart? They have Cam Talbot.
- MJL

You have wrong person. I most definitely know most among these posters here about Buffalo as I live here. I never said anything like that. Buffalo was on record all off season about getting a goalie. To go with Levi. A 1A/1b tandem. They have clearly failed. Fans want blood here. Levi is 21. Completely stupid to rely on him as #1 full time. I said hart would be perfect for Buffalo.

Why would kings be interested in hart. lol. If you don’t know why I can’t help you.

We can do this all night if you’d like

Nah. He’s just team don’t trade players right away. I’m team if you’re truly rebuilding you move players like hart tk laughts. That it’s more likely value won’t go up.
- Stayin alive

Actually, you're incorrect. What to do with Hart has been a frequent discussion lately. I heavily lean towards trading Hart and question whether it is a smart move to sign him to a long term deal. I don't advocate for trading him just to trade him and would have to get some decent value for him. The Flyers really aren't rebuilding. You might see them deal a few players who are going to be pending UFA's but I don't think there is any chance that they're trading Konecny. I doubt that they're going to trade Laughton either.

You have wrong person. I most definitely know most among these posters here about Buffalo as I live here. I never said anything like that. Buffalo was on record all off season about getting a goalie. To go with Levi. A 1A/1b tandem. They have clearly failed. Fans want blood here. Levi is 21. Completely stupid to rely on him as #1 full time. I said hart would be perfect for Buffalo.

Why would kings be interested in hart. lol. If you don’t know why I can’t help you.

We can do this all night if you’d like
- Stayin alive

Hart is pretty much 1B to Ersson’s 1A here. I wouldn’t move Hart right now if I’m the Flyers.

You have wrong person. I most definitely know most among these posters here about Buffalo as I live here. I never said anything like that. Buffalo was on record all off season about getting a goalie. To go with Levi. A 1A/1b tandem. They have clearly failed. Fans want blood here. Levi is 21. Completely stupid to rely on him as #1 full time. I said hart would be perfect for Buffalo.

Why would kings be interested in hart. lol. If you don’t know why I can’t help you.

We can do this all night if you’d like
- Stayin alive

No, I have the right person. You just posted it under another screen name and pretending not to be the same person. That's not going to work. That same poster, which is you made the same claims to live there and being well versed with Buffalo. Many times a poster suggested trading Hart to Buffalo and you said they wouldn't due to having Levi. Don't waste your time with the charade.

Hart is pretty much 1B to Ersson’s 1A here. I wouldn’t move Hart right now if I’m the Flyers.
- roenick97

Like I said. Should’ve traded him around draft. I even said is Ersson even that much worse? Or not as good ?

No, I have the right person. You just posted it under another screen name and pretending not to be the same person. That's not going to work. That same poster, which is you made the same claims to live there and being well versed with Buffalo. Many times a poster suggested trading Hart to Buffalo and you said they wouldn't due to having Levi. Don't waste your time with the charade.
- MJL

Are you numb in brain? Remember the whole boron talking about hart to Buffalo? I have always said Buffalo was gonna get a young vet to go with Levi. Because that’s what they said. They would fix the goaltending that kept them out of playoffs. I said they were stupid for not getting a tender. That Levi is too young.

Actually, you're incorrect. What to do with Hart has been a frequent discussion lately. I heavily lean towards trading Hart and question whether it is a smart move to sign him to a long term deal. I don't advocate for trading him just to trade him and would have to get some decent value for him. The Flyers really aren't rebuilding. You might see them deal a few players who are going to be pending UFA's but I don't think there is any chance that they're trading Konecny. I doubt that they're going to trade Laughton either.
- MJL

Fake news. What you’ve said in past is don’t trade just to trade. That it ok to hold players as value could stay same or go up. Which is all true.

And now it’s not a rebuild? That’s NOT what they were selling now was it? All he heard was top end talent and rebuild.

And that is why if you are committed to that then you move players like tk hart laught etc with real trade value.

Personally like I said in past I reserve judgement although I think they should’ve traded players at draft whether this team is truly rebuilding and mm was a gift that keeps things interesting.

We still have tdl and that is another marker. Time is running out to maximize trade value.

Signing hart or tk to extension puts them right on path to mediocrity. Nothing more nothing less

Fake news. What you’ve said in past is don’t trade just to trade. That it ok to hold players as value could stay same or go up. Which is all true.

And now it’s not a rebuild? That’s NOT what they were selling now was it? All he heard was top end talent and rebuild.

And that is why if you are committed to that then you move players like tk hart laught etc with real trade value.

Personally like I said in past I reserve judgement although I think they should’ve traded players at draft whether this team is truly rebuilding and mm was a gift that keeps things interesting.

We still have tdl and that is another marker. Time is running out to maximize trade value.

Signing hart or tk to extension puts them right on path to mediocrity. Nothing more nothing less
- Stayin alive

It's not fake news. You're full of crap as usual. I've discussed trading Hart on recent threads. I also have stated don't trade just to trade and I reinforced that is a reply I just made to you.
I'm in agreement with you on where the Flyers are heading. A playoff bubble team or a playoff team that isn't anywhere near good enough. Fans are starved for improvement. They're buying what's going on right now hook, line and sinker. We'll see what the team does. I don't see them giving up a playoff run.

No, I have the right person. You just posted it under another screen name and pretending not to be the same person. That's not going to work. That same poster, which is you made the same claims to live there and being well versed with Buffalo. Many times a poster suggested trading Hart to Buffalo and you said they wouldn't due to having Levi. Don't waste your time with the charade.
- MJL

Great sleuthing Barnaby Jones! Your word and analysis surpasses anyone else on HB!

Like I said. Should’ve traded him around draft. I even said is Ersson even that much worse? Or not as good ?
- Stayin alive

I wanted to trade Konency along with Provorov at or before the draft. I’m glad the Flyers didn’t. Happy Hart is still here too.

Fake news. What you’ve said in past is don’t trade just to trade. That it ok to hold players as value could stay same or go up. Which is all true.

And now it’s not a rebuild? That’s NOT what they were selling now was it? All he heard was top end talent and rebuild.

And that is why if you are committed to that then you move players like tk hart laught etc with real trade value.

Personally like I said in past I reserve judgement although I think they should’ve traded players at draft whether this team is truly rebuilding and mm was a gift that keeps things interesting.

We still have tdl and that is another marker. Time is running out to maximize trade value.

Signing hart or tk to extension puts them right on path to mediocrity. Nothing more nothing less
- Stayin alive

I know I’m not apart of the conversation but my view is, nobody predicted the Flyers to be playing this well this season. I think they would be rebuilding and moving pieces like Seeler or Walker if the season wasn’t going so well. Last summer I wanted Konency traded but now he serves a purpose here, as does Hart. Extension are a different story. The argument to trade Hart in my mind is dumb. I once watched Michael Leighton go on a hot streak just to get hurt and have Brian Boucher take over. Same could happen to Ersson or Hart at anytime. You can never have enough good goalies and defense in the playoffs.

I know I’m not apart of the conversation but my view is, nobody predicted the Flyers to be playing this well this season. I think they would be rebuilding and moving pieces like Seeler or Walker if the season wasn’t going so well. Last summer I wanted Konency traded but now he serves a purpose here, as does Hart. Extension are a different story. The argument to trade Hart in my mind is dumb. I once watched Michael Leighton go on a hot streak just to get hurt and have Brian Boucher take over. Same could happen to Ersson or Hart at anytime. You can never have enough good goalies and defense in the playoffs.
- roenick97

They speak of high end talent… you either trade for it or draft it. Forget free agents. Capped out. They just lost cg ( not their fault imo) but got ? Drysdale. So mm. You have to trade real pieces at realistic chances to draft high end talent. Seeler walker etc types isn’t moving that needle. Tk hart does. The worse place to be is when those contracts come up. You lose trade value. What’s done is done. Hart probably gets good value now even if not as high as draft time. Tk is a matter of what’s offered at tdl compared to draft time. These are good players. Maybe even really good. But it’s fools gold to believe they are cup leading type players

It's not fake news. You're full of crap as usual. I've discussed trading Hart on recent threads. I also have stated don't trade just to trade and I reinforced that is a reply I just made to you.
I'm in agreement with you on where the Flyers are heading. A playoff bubble team or a playoff team that isn't anywhere near good enough. Fans are starved for improvement. They're buying what's going on right now hook, line and sinker. We'll see what the team does. I don't see them giving up a playoff run.
- MJL

Here’s the difference between you and I…. You are content to hold the players with value where as I want them moved when closest to highest trade value. Hart was highest at draft. Tk probably too although his play seems it’s as high now even maybe a little more. But the risk is it can lower (as hart has) or tank do to many reasons.

By no means am I ever saying just put a date on it and make deal just to make deal but when you claim rebuild it’s simply what needs to be done. And they could still do it. Who knows. I’ve said all along I will wait to see at tdl what they do because mm is a game changer.

Anything they do for the now at expense of timeframe when mm is thought to be here like holding players for playoff push etc is a huge mistake

What solves that problem and takes it completely out of the equation is moving players at or closest to peak trade value. Call it tanking call it throwing in towel on season or whatever.

This is fools gold and I see it as you do. Flyers fans are buying this hook line and sinker just like I said in the past. Flyers fans aren’t bright.

I know I’m not apart of the conversation but my view is, nobody predicted the Flyers to be playing this well this season. I think they would be rebuilding and moving pieces like Seeler or Walker if the season wasn’t going so well. Last summer I wanted Konency traded but now he serves a purpose here, as does Hart. Extension are a different story. The argument to trade Hart in my mind is dumb. I once watched Michael Leighton go on a hot streak just to get hurt and have Brian Boucher take over. Same could happen to Ersson or Hart at anytime. You can never have enough good goalies and defense in the playoffs.
- roenick97

What purpose do hart tk serve here? To make team competitive? If contract extension are a different story how do they fit in? Are you caught up on them playing so well? That’s not that surprising. Love him or hate him torts gonna have them play with effort. A hard working team that is disciplined that has some talent and some depth can and will win some games. What’s more surprising is how bad Carolina islander rags kinda been.

Look at it this way caps are right there too. And they suck. Could this continue all season? Possibly. Could flyers squeak into playoffs? Possibly. Still unlikely tho. It’s only half season.

Torts even still continues to make statements about how team is gonna have struggles. And about future not the now. The now he’s talking about is getting players ready for when mm gets here. And more high end talent.

What purpose do hart tk serve here? To make team competitive? If contract extension are a different story how do they fit in? Are you caught up on them playing so well? That’s not that surprising. Love him or hate him torts gonna have them play with effort. A hard working team that is disciplined that has some talent and some depth can and will win some games. What’s more surprising is how bad Carolina islander rags kinda been.

Look at it this way caps are right there too. And they suck. Could this continue all season? Possibly. Could flyers squeak into playoffs? Possibly. Still unlikely tho. It’s only half season.

Torts even still continues to make statements about how team is gonna have struggles. And about future not the now. The now he’s talking about is getting players ready for when mm gets here. And more high end talent.
- Stayin alive

Well it’s very simple. Both players are in fact making the team competitive. Even bad teams have lead scorers, which Konency currently is, while playing up his value. If Konency reaches 40 goals this season, he would have out done himself from last season. Higher value in a trade. There is nothing wrong with the Flyers allowing him to see their his deal. Most players get moved when their contract is about to expire.

I already explained to you why Hart is still important. We’re in a playoff position. Why would we give up a goalie right now when both are reasonable priced and either guy could get hurt at anytime? Playoff experience is also important for the development of young players.

You believe you’re right and I won’t be able to change your mind, which is fine but I can come up with more reasonable argument to keep both players right now, rather than move them just to move them.

You've made a number of posts in opposition to Buffalo as a possibility due to having Devon Levi. Why would LA be interested in Hart? They have Cam Talbot.
- MJL

Lol...because they have Cam Talbot...he is as bad as Korpisalo in Ottawa

Well it’s very simple. Both players are in fact making the team competitive. Even bad teams have lead scorers, which Konency currently is, while playing up his value. If Konency reaches 40 goals this season, he would have out done himself from last season. Higher value in a trade. There is nothing wrong with the Flyers allowing him to see their his deal. Most players get moved when their contract is about to expire.

I already explained to you why Hart is still important. We’re in a playoff position. Why would we give up a goalie right now when both are reasonable priced and either guy could get hurt at anytime? Playoff experience is also important for the development of young players.

You believe you’re right and I won’t be able to change your mind, which is fine but I can come up with more reasonable argument to keep both players right now, rather than move them just to move them.
- roenick97

What does making playoffs do to help a rebuild? At this stage of rebuild? They have no superstars. Mm is going to be that. In a few years when he comes over.
Hart is due new contract. He’s not reasonable priced. Sure for the next 40 games he is. And his value lessens for trade. There’s absolutely zero advantage to hold him for some magical playoff push. If you get less in trade because you kept him longer. For example say if he was traded last years draft you would’ve gotten a first round pick for him. Now at tdl you could get a 2nd round pick. Or trade him at draft next year for a 3rd round pick. The longer you keep him his value goes down. For what? And say you don’t make playoffs. Even worse. This team isn’t anywhere near playoff thinking this way.

This goes for tk too. His value was high at draft. Yes he’s produced this year and value probably still at that level. Even a little more. But the team trading for him also lost a year of that production. So instead of 3 years at his current salary they now have 2. The trade value goes down. Maybe some teams still give same value as draft because he’s produced well. What if he gets injured? Or goes cold? Or flatlines? Simply holding these valuable trade pieces for things like hey look who thought we’d be playing this well might make playoffs type scenarios is fools gold.

Sure it’s a nice story maybe. I am hoping the new fo isn’t dumb enough to buy it. Or that their hands aren’t tied for profits by owners who have proven in past money is most important.

I’m not saying just give these players away. I just can’t see why people look at this half season so far and are willing to risk valuable assets for future for the here and now.

Think 3 to 5 years ahead. Hart tk are going to be afterthoughts on this team. Hopefully they aren’t here tying up salary cap.

Tk at 9 mil? Pass
Hart at 5/6mil? Pass

Let me point out this and try to focus real hard on it. We have how many young players that look to be future pieces on team right now? York bee Drysdale zamula? Brink? Tipp? Trees? Cates? Frosty? Ersson?

We still have some maybe close to coming too Andre?bonk? 2highly drafted goalies and some?
All that. And here’s the kicker we right now have 7 1st and 2nd picks in the next two years drafts both. That’s 14 imangine moving laughts hart tk and not having the salary commitment to them what that opens up. Not to mention that 14 picks goes up. That’s crazy. What moves can be made with that draft capital?


I like that much more than some rando season of 2023/2024 maybe squeak into playoffs flyers edition with tying up salary cap to approaching 30 year old players contract extensions.

Once you see that and understand that it puts into perspective fools gold

Lol...because they have Cam Talbot...he is as bad as Korpisalo in Ottawa
- TheFreak

Shhsshh

Lol...because they have Cam Talbot...he is as bad as Korpisalo in Ottawa
- TheFreak

He knows. He’s not stupid. He’s just having flashback to old mjl he’s not stupid

Here’s the difference between you and I…. You are content to hold the players with value where as I want them moved when closest to highest trade value. Hart was highest at draft. Tk probably too although his play seems it’s as high now even maybe a little more. But the risk is it can lower (as hart has) or tank do to many reasons.


- Stayin alive

The difference between you and I is that I understand how to get the highest value. You seem for some reason that with Hart, the Flyers reached some apex when his value was highest and you believe that has past. That is false. First of all, I don't believe that Hart has the value you think he does. He's really just an average goalie. Hart is an RFA, not a UFA.
The only goaltender traded around the last draft was MacKenzie Blackwood to San Jose for a 6th round pick. Tell me, what evidence do you have that there was this great sellers market for goalies at the draft to the point where the Flyers blew it when Hart's value was the highest?

Lol...because they have Cam Talbot...he is as bad as Korpisalo in Ottawa
- TheFreak

LOL, Talbot has a .918 SV% and a 2,34 GAA. How is Hart an upgrade over Talbot for them besides age wise?


Korpisalo has a .884 SV% and a 3.70 GAA

Talbot is top 10 in the league in goals saved above expected at 9.6. Korpisalo is 85th at -11.5.

What are you talking about?