The C or any other letter is so overrated.
- MJL

Then why do teams have them? Why haven’t they all done what the flyers do or get rid of them altogether?

why would it got down because of him?
- hello it's me 2050

Walker was a revelation when he got here. But I think Drysdale is going to push everyone down the depth chart and with that comes minutes. In my opinion we would have gotten more for Walker before obtaining Drysdale because now every GM knows we are less reluctant to move on from Walker.

Who brings a better return, Walker or Risto? Assuming $$ retention with Risto will be needed.
- Hosher12

I think any GM in the league would rather have Walker than Risto right now, both due to play and contract. So every GM in the league could assume we'd also rather be without Risto and the compensation would likely reflect that.

Then why do teams have them? Why haven’t they all done what the flyers do or get rid of them altogether?
- Hextall271

I stated that they're overrated. Is that the same as saying that there is no reason to have them? Some are saying that Konecny should get the C for the way he is playing. My contention is that Konecny is doing just fine leading by example on the ice without having a C or any other letter on his sweater. Adding it wouldn't change much and a player doesn't need it to lead.

Walker was a revelation when he got here. But I think Drysdale is going to push everyone down the depth chart and with that comes minutes. In my opinion we would have gotten more for Walker before obtaining Drysdale because now every GM knows we are less reluctant to move on from Walker.
- anti-lame

disagree. If moved down the depth chart would then "help" him as playing against lesser competition? Whatever walkers value was 3 weeks ago imo hasnt changed. If it has it is not by much.

how are they less reluctant? with JD wouldn't they be more likely to trade him?

I stated that they're overrated. Is that the same as saying that there is no reason to have them? Some are saying that Konecny should get the C for the way he is playing. My contention is that Konecny is doing just fine leading by example on the ice without having a C or any other letter on his sweater. Adding it wouldn't change much and a player doesn't need it to lead.
- MJL

Overrated implies that you see limited value in them. It can serve to enable and support a leader. Similarly to a military rank, it allows all to know who is the leader of the group. Further, for many players, it is likely an honour to wear the c or an an. In a game like hockey, I believe that there is a great deal of importance to displaying the letters on the teams leadership

disagree. If moved down the depth chart would then "help" him as playing against lesser competition? Whatever walkers value was 3 weeks ago imo hasnt changed. If it has it is not by much.

how are they less reluctant? with JD wouldn't they be more likely to trade him?
- hello it's me 2050

if we think we'd need Walker's services, we would be reluctant to move on from him.

with Drysdale in the mix, we'd be less reluctant to move on from him because Drysdale fills that need.

less reluctant = more likely

Overrated implies that you see limited value in them. It can serve to enable and support a leader. Similarly to a military rank, it allows all to know who is the leader of the group. Further, for many players, it is likely an honour to wear the c or an an. In a game like hockey, I believe that there is a great deal of importance to displaying the letters on the teams leadership
- Hextall271

No, overrated implies that some people place too much value on it. As if it is imperative that Konecny be given the C due to the way he is playing. In my opinion, you need more than one leader. I actually agree with what Tortorella in my opinion is trying to do here. He wants every player to take on a chunk of leadership. To take responsibility for leading by example. To build a team. I think your response supports my opinion. What's more important? Actually displaying the leadership qualities or displaying the letter on your sweater? I don't think Tortorella wants a hierarchy in the room. He wants a collective.

Cates is back tonight?

if we think we'd need Walker's services, we would be reluctant to move on from him.

with Drysdale in the mix, we'd be less reluctant to move on from him because Drysdale fills that need.

less reluctant = more likely
- anti-lame

I think that would be more true, but you have to add in they are in playoff contention, Staal is the #7 if they move a D, no Bueno, a playoff team needs Walker. A team wanting walker probably wants to land him prior to the TDL, if the Flyers move him they should move while playing well. With 30 plus games to go, such a tight PO race, Flyers will fall in the standings again, need to make a trade on the upswing and while in PO contention.

Trade from Strength.

I think that would be more true, but you have to add in they are in playoff contention, Staal is the #7 if they move a D, no Bueno, a playoff team needs Walker. A team wanting walker probably wants to land him prior to the TDL, if the Flyers move him they should move while playing well. With 30 plus games to go, such a tight PO race, Flyers will fall in the standings again, need to make a trade on the upswing and while in PO contention.

Trade from Strength.
- wcorvette

The closer to the deadline, the less cap space needed to take him on. The more teams competing for his services, the higher the potential return could be. Set a price and if someone meets it now if you plan to move on him. Take it. Otherwise, no rush.

I think that would be more true, but you have to add in they are in playoff contention, Staal is the #7 if they move a D, no Bueno, a playoff team needs Walker. A team wanting walker probably wants to land him prior to the TDL, if the Flyers move him they should move while playing well. With 30 plus games to go, such a tight PO race, Flyers will fall in the standings again, need to make a trade on the upswing and while in PO contention.


Trade from Strength.
- wcorvette

The player playing well is more important than the team for receiving good value in a trade. Also, the issue of salary further out from the TDL. Anyways, I agree with you. I trade Walker because he is 5’11’ and the backend is starting to look small and he will fetch back more then Risto (I’m think you might need to actually give up an asset to get rid of Risto and/or retain which is a negative). I also agree sooner is better but for two different reasons: 1. Don’t want the guy to get hurt; 2. It will stop Torts from trying to exhaust the forwards and leave them gassed for the end of the season.

The closer to the deadline, the less cap space needed to take him on. The more teams competing for his services, the higher the potential return could be. Set a price and if someone meets it now if you plan to move on him. Take it. Otherwise, no rush.
- MJL

timing is everything, I think the Flyers can still hold cap for one more trade and his contract expires end of this season. I agree if not needed, wait, but the Flyers have been fortunate with injuries and they have played well overall. This season is a season us fans are not accustomed too, usually everyone is hurt and we are going nowhere. I definitely wait for the right value but I definitely try to get bidders lined up ASAP.

timing is everything, I think the Flyers can still hold cap for one more trade and his contract expires end of this season. I agree if not needed, wait, but the Flyers have been fortunate with injuries and they have played well overall. This season is a season us fans are not accustomed too, usually everyone is hurt and we are going nowhere. I definitely wait for the right value but I definitely try to get bidders lined up ASAP.
- wcorvette

That's true, they can retain and it won't effect the cap past this season. I wouldn't be in a rush to take a lesser deal due to the risk of injury. I think the market expanding closer to the deadline could increase the return.

Last year, Konecny played well but the Flyers stunk.

This year, Konecny is playing well and so are the Flyers.

So, what changed? In 2 words: Sean Couturier

Couts should be the captain of this team.
- BiggE

I kinda thought coots was the captain

That's true, they can retain and it won't effect the cap past this season. I wouldn't be in a rush to take a lesser deal due to the risk of injury. I think the market expanding closer to the deadline could increase the return.
- MJL

agree, I want all teams in, not sure how the GM's work behind the scenes, I think they keep conversations quiet. I want DB to create a buzz about Walker but would hate the distraction for the team, if you can create that buzz before the TDL, please do, March 8th is a long way away.


Side note- My buddy Ricky who plays on my mens league team, he met Gretzky at the Pompano casino this weekend, he took a pic and WG was super nice. About 20 minutes later, WG comes back and says, mind if I hang rather sit with y'all at the bar than watch my wife play blackjack. Rick insisted on paying, the cents on the bill was 99, bill 83.99, tip 16 total bill 99.99. Yes this is a true story, wish I was there.[/img]

Then why do teams have them?

It mainly has to do with which players are allowed to discuss things with the refs.

Why haven’t they all done what the flyers do or get rid of them altogether?

Tradition.

The closer to the deadline, the less cap space needed to take him on. The more teams competing for his services, the higher the potential return could be. Set a price and if someone meets it now if you plan to move on him. Take it. Otherwise, no rush.
- MJL

if he is moved the flyers would likely retain 50%. There is always a sense urgency for a pending ufa cliff.

how much cap space would be saved between now and the deadline for walker by the acquiring team? be curious to know the $$ amount.

agree, I want all teams in, not sure how the GM's work behind the scenes, I think they keep conversations quiet. I want DB to create a buzz about Walker but would hate the distraction for the team, if you can create that buzz before the TDL, please do, March 8th is a long way away.


Side note- My buddy Ricky who plays on my mens league team, he met Gretzky at the Pompano casino this weekend, he took a pic and WG was super nice. About 20 minutes later, WG comes back and says, mind if I hang rather sit with y'all at the bar than watch my wife play blackjack. Rick insisted on paying, the cents on the bill was 99, bill 83.99, tip 16 total bill 99.99. Yes this is a true story, wish I was there.
- wcorvette

Cool story. Walker knows what is up. If the Flyers have approached him about re-signing or not. Flyers may not have even made up their mind yet. Probably depends on where the team sits closer to the deadine.

timing is everything, I think the Flyers can still hold cap for one more trade and his contract expires end of this season. I agree if not needed, wait, but the Flyers have been fortunate with injuries and they have played well overall. This season is a season us fans are not accustomed too, usually everyone is hurt and we are going nowhere. I definitely wait for the right value but I definitely try to get bidders lined up ASAP.
- wcorvette

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Overrated implies that you see limited value in them. It can serve to enable and support a leader. Similarly to a military rank, it allows all to know who is the leader of the group. Further, for many players, it is likely an honour to wear the c or an an. In a game like hockey, I believe that there is a great deal of importance to displaying the letters on the teams leadership
- Hextall271

Flyers doing just fine without a captain.

Teams really just need leaders.

Starting lines tonight (expect more line juggling, however):

74 Owen Tippett - 48 Morgan Frost - 11 Travis Konecny
86 Joel Farabee - 25 Ryan Poehling - 89 Cam Atkinson
71 Tyson Foerster - 21 Scott Laughton - 19 Garnet Hathaway
44 Nicolas Deslauriers - 27 Noah Cates - 10 Bobby Brink

8 Cam York - 6 Travis Sanheim
24 Nick Seeler - 26 Sean Walker
5 Egor Zamula- 55 Rasmus Ristolainen

79 Carter Hart
[33 Samuel Ersson]

Starting lines tonight (expect more line juggling, however):

74 Owen Tippett - 48 Morgan Frost - 11 Travis Konecny
86 Joel Farabee - 25 Ryan Poehling - 89 Cam Atkinson
71 Tyson Foerster - 21 Scott Laughton - 19 Garnet Hathaway
44 Nicolas Deslauriers - 27 Noah Cates - 10 Bobby Brink

8 Cam York - 6 Travis Sanheim
24 Nick Seeler - 26 Sean Walker
5 Egor Zamula- 55 Rasmus Ristolainen

79 Carter Hart

- bmeltzer[33 Samuel Ersson]

Holy poop! Torts is giving frost a shot at 1c with some real talent.
I know it's cold outside but not cold enough for hell to have frozen over.
I'm hoping frost has a big game tonight and takes advantage of this opportunity

Starting lines tonight (expect more line juggling, however):

74 Owen Tippett - 48 Morgan Frost - 11 Travis Konecny
86 Joel Farabee - 25 Ryan Poehling - 89 Cam Atkinson
71 Tyson Foerster - 21 Scott Laughton - 19 Garnet Hathaway
44 Nicolas Deslauriers - 27 Noah Cates - 10 Bobby Brink

8 Cam York - 6 Travis Sanheim
24 Nick Seeler - 26 Sean Walker
5 Egor Zamula- 55 Rasmus Ristolainen

79 Carter Hart

- bmeltzer[33 Samuel Ersson]

Should take Torts to the end of the first to get Cates up in the lineup

Should take Torts to the end of the first to get Cates up in the lineup
- wcorvette

On the other hand, Frost needs to take advantage of this shot.