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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 17 @ 12:56 PM ET
Much prefer a grocery store fried chicken if I’m feeling the urge. Giant is pretty decent. Never tried Wegmans.
- StepfordSam



I love the Shoprite fried chicken.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:09 PM ET
kfc is slimy


why are we trading bonk?



any habs rumours?



nuff said
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 17 @ 1:11 PM ET
Attard's development is coming along splendidly. He might even play in another NHL game before his 25th birthday.
- Feanor


Every player is different. But you know who followed a similar path? Sean Walker. He’s turned out all right… somethings take time.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:11 PM ET
I love the Shoprite fried chicken.
- MBFlyerfan

their rotisserie is also good.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:12 PM ET
Every player is different. But you know who followed a similar path? Sean Walker. He’s turned out all right… somethings take time.
- landros 2

where do you see Attard getting an opportunity with the flyers? Just do not see that door as opened when you look at the current roster. Then what they may do trade or free agent wise.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 17 @ 1:15 PM ET
their rotisserie is also good.
- hello it's me 2050



Yes it certainly is!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 17 @ 1:19 PM ET
Yes it certainly is!
- MBFlyerfan


Sam's Club makes an awesome Rotisserie chicken. For 5 bucks, can't beat it.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 17 @ 1:19 PM ET
I do wonder if there is a young center either in the NHL or AHL that the Flyers could use Bonk to get. The Flyers would have to add something but Bonk’s stock is artificially high with his power play production. The Flyers have the right side of their defense locked up with Sanheim, Drysdale and even Ristolainen is signed for a few more years. This draft is deep with defensivemen and the Flyers will have at least 4 picks in the top 2 rounds after a Walker trade so they should easily be able to replace Bonks skill set in the system.
- psuhockey


Bonk wasn’t known much for offence before this season and was drafted with the expectation that he could be a solid 2 way d man….he has definitely taken a step this year offensively which is great for the Flyers. Just another decent lottery ticket. Yes this year is deep for d…but that doesn’t change what they have in bonk. Good size, solid hockey IQ, improved skating this year, and last time I looked PP points count just like even strength points.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 17 @ 1:21 PM ET
where do you see Attard getting an opportunity with the flyers? Just do not see that door as opened when you look at the current roster. Then what they may do trade or free agent wise.
- hello it's me 2050


Not sure…just suggesting that Attard’s trajectory isn’t written in stone.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 17 @ 1:24 PM ET
All good. I should have added haha as I was joking. It was epically long though. 😛
- Hextall271


It was long indeed. But it was long because there was a lot of content being discussed. His former coach goes to lengths to explain why Cutter is not a selfish individual. Apart from the Button comments. All of this directly relevant to what was being discussed.

I honestly thought it would be well received. Which reminds me once again that it is virtually impossible to underestimate HB.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 17 @ 1:28 PM ET
Sometimes in life there is no conspiracy. It’s just a situation and the truth.
- landros 2


The only "conspiracy" that is being advanced is an appeal to common sense.

Every single person arguing your side of the debate has the following characteristics:

1. You are offended that something (that in your mind) was a code of honor has been violated.
2. You feel he disrespected the franchise, and as a fan of the club, your feel disrespected as well.

I respect these sentiments, but I don't think they are the main issues here.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 1:29 PM ET
Yep, with the Flyers very recognizable ability to draft and develop high level defenseman. They've done it so many times over the years. They should easily be able to replace Bonk's skill set. Flyers have an over flowing surplus of young talent.
- MJL

If the Flyers stink at developing high level defensemen what makes you think Bonk is going to turn out? Wouldn’t be better to sell high for a more projectable talent before the Flyers ruin him?
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 1:31 PM ET
Bonk wasn’t known much for offence before this season and was drafted with the expectation that he could be a solid 2 way d man….he has definitely taken a step this year offensively which is great for the Flyers. Just another decent lottery ticket. Yes this year is deep for d…but that doesn’t change what they have in bonk. Good size, solid hockey IQ, improved skating this year, and last time I looked PP points count just like even strength points.
- landros 2

They do count except apparently he is playing down low on the powerplay in a typical forward spot even as a net front player. That wouldn’t be reproducible at the NHL level.
Pelle Schultz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rockville Centre, NY
Joined: 09.13.2018

Jan 17 @ 1:32 PM ET
Your opinion is Attard, not viable. Maybe, maybe not. Why could Attard or Andrae not have growth like Zamula did this season? I am still very much in the belief that Andrae will be a regular top 6 Dman. This is his first year playing exclusively on a North American rink. The angles are so much different then the larger European rinks. I give him credit to make an NHL roster out of training camp after playing 10 games at LV last season. So he got sent down for me was not a negative. If it is a true rebuild and the Flyers are not true Cup contenders, extending a 31"yr Dman makes little sense to me. Seeler is replaceable and I hope he gets paid by another team.
- Trox88


Their stats are very similar: Attard has 2 more points in 6 more GP. But Andrae is 20 years old and Attard is 24 (and both will be a calendar year older by the end of March). By the way, Zamula is a full year younger than Attard.

For the sake of argument, Attard is used to the North American rink and has played 100 games in the AHL. He started his college career late (at age 20) after three seasons in the USHL and then spent three more full seasons at Western Mich. I'm not sure how much further development it's reasonable to expect at this point--certainly physically he's done, not sure about how much more of the mental game he's going to get. Attard does have does good size and wheels as well as a potent shot. I'd love to see him get a chance, but I doubt we're looking at more than a #6/7 D-man in the NHL at best and not one with the defensive skills ideal for that role.

Andrae is very much the opposite of that--much potential development yet to occur, particularly in his defensive game and acclimation to North America. So the belief that he's a viable NHL D-man is still...viable.


ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 17 @ 1:32 PM ET
Sam's Club makes an awesome Rotisserie chicken. For 5 bucks, can't beat it.
- MJL

Damn, shop rite up to 7.99
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 17 @ 1:34 PM ET
IMO the Flyers should have done a little less expounding and Cutter should be doing a little more explaining.
- Tomahawk


Problem is, it is not in his interest to tell the truth, which to me clearly is a loss of faith in the franchise/its direction. He has come close, and said there was no single thing, but a bunch of issues. He has given you the 2, the +, and the 2.

If he adds it up to 4, then the issue would never die. Imagine the flak about a 19 year old expressing a loss of faith in an old franchise. You would have everyone from Bobby Clarke to Snider's kids venting.

His reticence is not a mark of disrespect or highhandedness. He just wants to move on.

Sometimes not saying the truth is the prudent thing to do.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:45 PM ET
Sam's Club makes an awesome Rotisserie chicken. For 5 bucks, can't beat it.
- MJL

do you get it delivered as you when are you eve rout of your house?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 17 @ 1:47 PM ET
Problem is, it is not in his interest to tell the truth, which to me clearly is a loss of faith in the franchise/its direction. He has come close, and said there was no single thing, but a bunch of issues. He has given you the 2, the +, and the 2.

If he adds it up to 4, then the issue would never die. Imagine the flak about a 19 year old expressing a loss of faith in an old franchise. You would have everyone from Bobby Clarke to Snider's kids venting.

His reticence is not a mark of disrespect or highhandedness. He just wants to move on.

Sometimes not saying the truth is the prudent thing to do.

- PT21

You don’t really think this crap do you?
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jan 17 @ 1:50 PM ET
kfc is slimy


why are we trading bonk?



any habs rumours?



nuff said

- anti-lame

I’d say these guys have been pretty nicer than normal this morning. At least to me after my drunken comment made yesterday. Vacation week on the coldest day of the year so far.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 17 @ 1:54 PM ET
If the Flyers stink at developing high level defensemen what makes you think Bonk is going to turn out? Wouldn’t be better to sell high for a more projectable talent before the Flyers ruin him?
- psuhockey


They’re in the process of ruining zamula
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Jan 17 @ 1:55 PM ET
Problem is, it is not in his interest to tell the truth, which to me clearly is a loss of faith in the franchise/its direction. He has come close, and said there was no single thing, but a bunch of issues. He has given you the 2, the +, and the 2.

If he adds it up to 4, then the issue would never die. Imagine the flak about a 19 year old expressing a loss of faith in an old franchise. You would have everyone from Bobby Clarke to Snider's kids venting.

His reticence is not a mark of disrespect or highhandedness. He just wants to move on.

Sometimes not saying the truth is the prudent thing to do.

- PT21


Maybe CG is a nice kid after all and doesn’t want to offend anyone person straight up. Anaheim isn’t a lighting up the league so I doubt it has anything to do with how good the flyers are or aren’t.
My personal opinion is that CG sees how some of the flyers are benched and the head games behind the process and wants no part of that.
The flyers have every right to want to know why CG doesn’t want to play for them. How else can you fix an issue if you don’t know what the problem is.
The other problem that no one wants to see is more high profile players not signing or playing with the team that drafted them.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 17 @ 1:56 PM ET
You don’t really think this crap do you?
- ClaudeFather


I think he had a loss of faith, yes.

If there are a number of issues (as he has said there was) between you and your organization, you would lose faith too. One or two issues could be personal, or a misunderstanding. But if there are lots of issues, then it would be hard to believe it was the earlier => loss of faith.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jan 17 @ 1:58 PM ET
If the Flyers stink at developing high level defensemen what makes you think Bonk is going to turn out? Wouldn’t be better to sell high for a more projectable talent before the Flyers ruin him?
- psuhockey

Sanheim is one of ours. I’ve never had the same high expectations many have had for Cam York but I’d say he’s adjusting well to the NHL level.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:58 PM ET
I’d say these guys have been pretty nicer than normal this morning. At least to me after my drunken comment made yesterday. Vacation week on the coldest day of the year so far.
- roenick97

where is your vacation? the backyard?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 17 @ 1:59 PM ET
The only "conspiracy" that is being advanced is an appeal to common sense.

Every single person arguing your side of the debate has the following characteristics:

1. You are offended that something (that in your mind) was a code of honor has been violated.
2. You feel he disrespected the franchise, and as a fan of the club, your feel disrespected as well.

I respect these sentiments, but I don't think they are the main issues here.

- PT21


Common sense says the Flyers simply told their side of the story. I do think he showed a disrespect to the Flyers. I’ve said from the start it is with in is rights to do what he did, and I’m giving my opinion of what I think of his conduct.

Other than that I’m not sure there is much more to say. If there’s 2 sides of the debate I’m not sure where you are getting your info from to form your opinion….the kid refuses to give actual reasons, which suggests you are simply guessing or trying to put together a hypothesis based on your personal opinion with no facts to back it up.
Some times 2 plus 2 doesn’t equal 5….actually it never equals 5.
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