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PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 17 @ 2:03 PM ET
Common sense says the Flyers simply told their side of the story. I do think he showed a disrespect to the Flyers. I’ve said from the start it is with in is rights to do what he did, and I’m giving my opinion of what I think of his conduct.

Other than that I’m not sure there is much more to say. If there’s 2 sides of the debate I’m not sure where you are getting your info from to form your opinion….the kid refuses to give actual reasons, which suggests you are simply guessing or trying to put together a hypothesis based on your personal opinion with no facts to back it up.
Some times 2 plus 2 doesn’t equal 5….actually it never equals 5.

- landros 2


Oh really.

The kid has given an interview, widely reported, provided here by several people including me, which says there was no single reason but a multiplicity of reasons.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jan 17 @ 2:04 PM ET
where is your vacation? the backyard?
- hello it's me 2050

Backyard during a cold vacation?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 17 @ 2:04 PM ET
They do count except apparently he is playing down low on the powerplay in a typical forward spot even as a net front player. That wouldn’t be reproducible at the NHL level.
- psuhockey


The game I watched the other night he went low for one goal and the other was from the high slot. The one where he scored from the top,of the crease he chased a loose puck and simply stayed down low after a forward covered for him. He’s playing with a ton of confidence right now.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jan 17 @ 2:15 PM ET
I can't believe folks are still talking about the Quitter/Cutter thing on here. It's like a Days of our Lives soap opera on here sometimes. Cut it the phuck loose!!
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 17 @ 2:17 PM ET
I can't believe folks are still talking about the Quitter/Cutter thing on here. It's like a Days of our Lives soap opera on here sometimes. Cut it the phuck loose!!
- Phillywhiteout


Phine, phine. I am moving on.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 17 @ 2:18 PM ET
Oh really.

The kid has given an interview, widely reported, provided here by several people including me, which says there was no single reason but a multiplicity of reasons.

- PT21


No single reason….while not actually naming one SPECIFIC reason….that’s convenient lol….because there’s nothing to add to what the Flyers said perhaps? Perhaps it makes him look like a A$$? At no point has the agent or player said or indicated that the Flyers were not telling the truth with what they said. I believe it’s probably as simple as feeling disrespected because DB told him nothing would be guaranteed if the Flyers signed him at the end of last season, Boston Colleges season… as reported by Scott Hartnell on Spitin chicklettes yesterday.
But sure you believe a guy that was so unprofessional is now occupying the moral high ground because he and his agent say their ‘taking the high road” ….interesting perspective you have.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 17 @ 2:24 PM ET
If the Flyers stink at developing high level defensemen what makes you think Bonk is going to turn out? Wouldn’t be better to sell high for a more projectable talent before the Flyers ruin him?
- psuhockey


Maybe due to the fact that one of the biggest reasons why they stink at it is because they rarely drafted one over the years? What makes you think the center they would get in a trade would automatically work out. Here is what I'm against. This new found wheeling and dealing attitude and the need to escalate and speed up a process that if done correctly. Takes significant time. If we have something of value, lets trade it for something perceived as better that we can get results from quicker. Either that or a flawed perception that there is actually a surplus of any future asset.


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 17 @ 2:30 PM ET
Problem is, it is not in his interest to tell the truth, which to me clearly is a loss of faith in the franchise/its direction. He has come close, and said there was no single thing, but a bunch of issues. He has given you the 2, the +, and the 2.

If he adds it up to 4, then the issue would never die. Imagine the flak about a 19 year old expressing a loss of faith in an old franchise. You would have everyone from Bobby Clarke to Snider's kids venting.

His reticence is not a mark of disrespect or highhandedness. He just wants to move on.

Sometimes not saying the truth is the prudent thing to do.

- PT21


The idea that it is a bunch of issues is just a talking point and way to avoid the issue. Again, you fail to consider that in March of 2023, Gauthier was perfectly willing to sign with the Flyers when his collegiate season ended. Where was this loss of faith in the franchise then? A short time later in May, about 2 months later, he was no longer willing to sign with the Flyers? What changed. This has been explained to you numerous times.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 17 @ 2:32 PM ET
Oh really.

The kid has given an interview, widely reported, provided here by several people including me, which says there was no single reason but a multiplicity of reasons.

- PT21


Oh really


Saying that there is no single reason but a multiplicity of reasons is essentially the same as not giving a reason.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 17 @ 2:35 PM ET
The idea that it is a bunch of issues is just a talking point and way to avoid the issue. Again, you fail to consider that in March of 2023, Gauthier was perfectly willing to sign with the Flyers when his collegiate season ended. Where was this loss of faith in the franchise then? A short time later in May, about 2 months later, he was no longer willing to sign with the Flyers? What changed. This has been explained to you numerous times.
- MJL

He gave the 2 and the + and the 2 😂 sound logic right
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jan 17 @ 2:39 PM ET
If the Flyers stink at developing high level defensemen what makes you think Bonk is going to turn out? Wouldn’t be better to sell high for a more projectable talent before the Flyers ruin him?
- psuhockey


🤔

An interesting query. Maybe they’ll get it right with Bonk. Jury’s still out on Andrae but maybe end of this year or next we’ll find out. York seems to be coming along nicely as well as Zemula. Maybe the Flyers have turned the corner.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 17 @ 2:54 PM ET
🤔

An interesting query. Maybe they’ll get it right with Bonk. Jury’s still out on Andrae but maybe end of this year or next we’ll find out. York seems to be coming along nicely as well as Zemula. Maybe the Flyers have turned the corner.

- mikeyo27


It's interesting that since the Flyers have actually been drafting defenseman and developing them, they've had some success developing defenseman. Funny how that works. Now we might have a good one and there's a surplus so lets trade him?
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 2:54 PM ET
Maybe due to the fact that one of the biggest reasons why they stink at it is because they rarely drafted one over the years? What makes you think the center they would get in a trade would automatically work out. Here is what I'm against. This new found wheeling and dealing attitude and the need to escalate and speed up a process that if done correctly. Takes significant time. If we have something of value, lets trade it for something perceived as better that we can get results from quicker. Either that or a flawed perception that there is actually a surplus of any future asset.
- MJL

They also can’t get into the Hextall viewpoint that all their prospects will hit their ceiling and that they can just draft their way to success. They will have to make moves especially if they aren’t going tank. St Louis doesn’t win a Stanley Cup if they don’t trade Rundblad who was considered one of the top prospects in the NHL at the time for the chance to draft Tarasenko.

Moving youth for youth isn’t cheating the rebuild.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 17 @ 2:59 PM ET
No single reason….while not actually naming one SPECIFIC reason….that’s convenient lol….because there’s nothing to add to what the Flyers said perhaps? Perhaps it makes him look like a A$$? At no point has the agent or player said or indicated that the Flyers were not telling the truth with what they said. I believe it’s probably as simple as feeling disrespected because DB told him nothing would be guaranteed if the Flyers signed him at the end of last season, Boston Colleges season… as reported by Scott Hartnell on Spitin chicklettes yesterday.
But sure you believe a guy that was so unprofessional is now occupying the moral high ground because he and his agent say their ‘taking the high road” ….interesting perspective you have.

- landros 2


I will get back to you once there is a new blog or two up. 👍
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 17 @ 3:04 PM ET
They also can’t get into the Hextall viewpoint that all their prospects will hit their ceiling and that they can just draft their way to success. They will have to make moves especially if they aren’t going tank. St Louis doesn’t win a Stanley Cup if they don’t trade Rundblad who was considered one of the top prospects in the NHL at the time for the chance to draft Tarasenko.

Moving youth for youth isn’t cheating the rebuild.

- psuhockey


No GM has the approach or believes that all of their prospects will hit so not sure where you're getting that from. None of that supports your premise in my opinion. The Flyers are at the point where they need to be patient. If they escalate and rush the process. They will most likely fail. I've seen that movie too.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 17 @ 3:05 PM ET
They also can’t get into the Hextall viewpoint that all their prospects will hit their ceiling and that they can just draft their way to success. They will have to make moves especially if they aren’t going tank. St Louis doesn’t win a Stanley Cup if they don’t trade Rundblad who was considered one of the top prospects in the NHL at the time for the chance to draft Tarasenko.

Moving youth for youth isn’t cheating the rebuild.

- psuhockey


I had to remind myself of that trade. Dont you think that was likely a like for like which panned out. A random success which doesn't have any larger implications.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 3:08 PM ET
No GM has the approach or believes that all of their prospects will hit so not sure where you're getting that from. None of that supports your premise in my opinion. The Flyers are at the point where they need to be patient. If they escalate and rush the process. They will most likely fail. I've seen that movie too.
- MJL

How is trading youth for youth rushing the process?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 17 @ 3:10 PM ET
How is trading youth for youth rushing the process?
- psuhockey


Your premise is "I do wonder if there is a young center either in the NHL or AHL that the Flyers could use Bonk to get". Bonk is still in junior hockey.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 3:16 PM ET
I had to remind myself of that trade. Dont you think that was likely a like for like which panned out. A random success which doesn't have any larger implications.
- PT21

If you are only going to do what has the highest chance of building a team that wins the Stanley Cup, the Flyers would tank. Since they won’t, they are going to have to do what teams seldom do and take some chances. St Louis took a lot of chances with trades like that one, ROR and Brayden Schenn. It’s going to require outside of the box thinking and that means moving assets fans aren’t going to be excited about moving.
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Jan 17 @ 3:18 PM ET
Damn, shop rite up to 7.99
- ClaudeFather


Hot chicken takeover is the best fried chicken i ever had. and i was stationed down south for years.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 3:19 PM ET
Your premise is "I do wonder if there is a young center either in the NHL or AHL that the Flyers could use Bonk to get". Bonk is still in junior hockey.
- MJL

That would mean a 20-22 year old. Hell maybe the center is a near retirement 23 years old.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 17 @ 3:19 PM ET
Your premise is "I do wonder if there is a young center either in the NHL or AHL that the Flyers could use Bonk to get". Bonk is still in junior hockey.
- MJL


Considering that Keith Jones came out and said they want to build from the blueline out, not sure how moving Bonk would help.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 17 @ 3:20 PM ET
If you are only going to do what has the highest chance of building a team that wins the Stanley Cup, the Flyers would tank. Since they won’t, they are going to have to do what teams seldom do and take some chances. St Louis took a lot of chances with trades like that one, ROR and Brayden Schenn. It’s going to require outside of the box thinking and that means moving assets fans aren’t going to be excited about moving.
- psuhockey


I agree. It’s not going to progress if we just sit back and draft
FlyersGrace
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jan 17 @ 3:27 PM ET
I love this team but we aren't getting close to the Stanley cup so yeah. I wish Danny all the luck in the world shopping our guys...
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 17 @ 3:29 PM ET
If you are only going to do what has the highest chance of building a team that wins the Stanley Cup, the Flyers would tank. Since they won’t, they are going to have to do what teams seldom do and take some chances. St Louis took a lot of chances with trades like that one, ROR and Brayden Schenn. It’s going to require outside of the box thinking and that means moving assets fans aren’t going to be excited about moving.
- psuhockey


I am completely in agreement with you about the highest chance, and I think we both know that.

But taking chances is not necessarily the 2nd best option is my point. That one worked out. Try and look at other situations where it didn't.

I think what could make it a valid strategy is if the Flyers have a really good scouting department, where they see value that others don't. Like Detroit, Tampa, Unfortunately, I would say our scouting (both amateur and pro) is at best average and probably worse.
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