I love this team but we aren't getting close to the Stanley cup so yeah. I wish Danny all the luck in the world shopping our guys...
- FlyersGrace

which is why it is important to collect assets at the tdl. people wanting to keep/resign replaceable players is ridiculous.

Considering that Keith Jones came out and said they want to build from the blueline out, not sure how moving Bonk would help.
- J35Bacher

Because with the addition of Drydales and the teams preference to play Sanheim on the right side, there isn’t a glaring need for a right shot defensemen any time soon. With the depth of defensemen in this upcoming draft, they can easily replace him in the system. What is lacking especially where the Flyers will be picking in this draft is centermen.

No GM has the approach or believes that all of their prospects will hit so not sure where you're getting that from. None of that supports your premise in my opinion. The Flyers are at the point where they need to be patient. If they escalate and rush the process. They will most likely fail. I've seen that movie too.
- MJL

as he said trading youth for youth isn't rushing anything.

as he said trading youth for youth isn't rushing anything.
- hello it's me 2050

obviously the "hextal viewpoint" means every GM in the league.

https://thehockeynews.com...t-to-gauthier-trade-drama

"We knew from probably last summer that he just said, 'No talks,'" Hartnell replied when asked if there were "rumblings around the organization" that Gauthier didn't want to be a Flyer. "His agent, Kurt Overcharge or Overhardt or whatever his name is—he just said, 'Don't go see this guy, don't watch him play, don't reach out. He's done with you guys.'"

Hartnell also gave some insight into what Briere said to Gauthier when he was officially named GM of the Flyers. Apparently, Briere told Gauthier that he couldn't guarantee the player a spot in the team if he signed immediately, specifying that he would have to earn his place or get sent down to the Lehigh Valley Phantoms, the Flyers' AHL affiliate team. Hartnell suggested that Gauthier took this "the wrong way" because "he's probably used to every team he's been on rolling out the red carpet for [him]."

which is why it is important to collect assets at the tdl. people wanting to keep/resign replaceable players is ridiculous.
- Peter Richards

There is a reason why you essentially never see a team get assets in the TDL and then have those assets play a critical role in subsequent cup run. The reason is that most measures of player value tails off dramatically as you go down the draft order (see graph below). This is nowhere near true in the NFL.

If you are selling at the TDL, you are selling to teams who are picking late to very late. The value you will get back is a small fraction of the value you could have attained by comprehensively tanking much earlier, resulting in both the return and the improvement of your own draft position. The latter is by far the bigger return in the sale, provided you indeed go full Monty and sell everything (like Chicago) in order to pick very high.

which is why it is important to collect assets at the tdl. people wanting to keep/resign replaceable players is ridiculous.
- Peter Richards

It will be interesting to see what Walker and Seeler and maybe even Risto 🤞could bring in return on a deal. If best offer is a 6th rounder for Walker or Seeler you keep them through hopefully the playoff push. If they fetch say a Broberg from a desperate Oilers team, you trade them. The reality is they may only get a 3rd or perhaps a 2nd down the road. In that case GMDB has to balance what term and $ they want to stay here, what young guys they may be blocking, and then earn his salary by making the right decision.

There is a reason why you essentially never see a team get assets in the TDL and then have those assets play a critical role in subsequent cup run. The reason is that most measures of player value tails off dramatically as you go down the draft order (see graph below). This is nowhere near true in the NFL.

If you are selling at the TDL, you are selling to teams who are picking late to very late. The value you will get back is a small fraction of the value you could have attained by comprehensively tanking much earlier, resulting in both the return and the improvement of your own draft position. The latter is by far the bigger return in the sale, provided you indeed go full Monty and sell everything (like Chicago) in order to pick very high.



- PT21

lower picks have a lesser chance of making the nhl. Fully understand. However there is a chance to use multiple assets to move up if needed (using the lesser picks) or the ability to draft someone who breaks the mold. I.E. datysuk and zetterberg. pretty important players for Detroit during their cup runs.

what about 3rd round picks. how important was point for tampa, or marchand?

tampa also has kuch who went in the second round. I get the first round is where you are most likely getting the best talent. however the more assets you have the better your chance of getting nhl players will be. more assets you have at the draft, you have better opportunities to move up, or negotiate with other teams.

That would mean a 20-22 year old. Hell maybe the center is a near retirement 23 years old.
- psuhockey

Are you telling me that it's not about getting a player further along in his development? Or is it just position related? If it's position related, why not trade for a center at the junior level in more of a prospect for prospect situation?

I agree. It’s not going to progress if we just sit back and draft
- Just5

Yea, because the Flyers methods for oh I don't know, the last decade of not focusing on the draft has worked out so well.

Are you telling me that it's not about getting a player further along in his development? Or is it just position related? If it's position related, why not trade for a center at the junior level in more of a prospect for prospect situation?
- MJL

I don’t see a big difference if the player is 23 and under. Roll with Couturier, Frost and the new center while the plan to hit the draft lottery with homerun later picks can continue in the background.

Because with the addition of Drydales and the teams preference to play Sanheim on the right side, there isn’t a glaring need for a right shot defensemen any time soon. With the depth of defensemen in this upcoming draft, they can easily replace him in the system. What is lacking especially where the Flyers will be picking in this draft is centermen.
- psuhockey

Is there a possibility of trading Sanheim at some point for future assets? Probably not likely the way this team thinks but still a possibility. I bet if the Flyers got a young stud defenseman that plays the right side, they wouldn't think twice about moving Sanheim back to the left side.

Yea, because the Flyers methods for oh I don't know, the last decade of not focusing on the draft has worked out so well.
- MJL

Hextall focused almost exclusively on the draft.

Is there a possibility of trading Sanheim at some point for future assets? Probably not likely the way this team thinks but still a possibility. I bet if the Flyers got a young stud defenseman that plays the right side, they wouldn't think twice about moving Sanheim back to the left side.
- MJL

Sanheim has a no movement clause for another 3 years followed by a limited no trade clause. He isn’t going anywhere unless he wants to.

I don’t see a big difference if the player is 23 and under. Roll with Couturier, Frost and the new center while the plan to hit the draft lottery with homerun later picks can continue in the background.
- psuhockey

The difference is that it's about a philosophy. I know were just kicking the can around and floating ideas and it's not factually what the Flyers have done or might have done. I'm against escalation for this team. I think a lot of fans are getting back into it and getting excited about this current team but I think it's fools gold. I don't want to get back into the perpetual position of the Flyers being a fringe playoff team hoping to a make it one year and maybe get on a roll and get lucky. I don't want to shoot for miracle season and a one and done like St.Louis. I want the team positioned to be a legit contender with an open window over a considerable period of time. The only way to do that is to focus on the draft. Build that core of players that is the backbone of your team. You just aren't going to trade your way to that. Once you have that in place, then you can look at your team and use assets to shore up holes and trade from surplus or strength or use free agency. Can't just look now and see Sanheim and Drysdale and say, now we have no need for a really good young right shot defenseman. I've seen how that works out.

Hextall focused almost exclusively on the draft.
- psuhockey

Okay and who are the best players on the team?

Sanheim has a no movement clause for another 3 years followed by a limited no trade clause. He isn’t going anywhere unless he wants to.
- psuhockey

Players with movement clauses are traded.

The difference is that it's about a philosophy. I know were just kicking the can around and floating ideas and it's not factually what the Flyers have done or might have done. I'm against escalation for this team. I think a lot of fans are getting back into it and getting excited about this current team but I think it's fools gold. I don't want to get back into the perpetual position of the Flyers being a fringe playoff team hoping to a make it one year and maybe get on a roll and get lucky. I don't want to shoot for miracle season and a one and done like St.Louis. I want the team positioned to be a legit contender with an open window over a considerable period of time. The only way to do that is to focus on the draft. Build that core of players that is the backbone of your team. You just aren't going to trade your way to that. Once you have that in place, then you can look at your team and use assets to shore up holes and trade from surplus or strength or use free agency. Can't just look now and see Sanheim and Drysdale and say, now we have no need for a really good young right shot defenseman. I've seen how that works out.
- MJL

Trading one prospect for a young center is not going back to the old Flyers especially when it’s not that hard to replace that quality of that prospect.

lower picks have a lesser chance of making the nhl. Fully understand. However there is a chance to use multiple assets to move up if needed (using the lesser picks) or the ability to draft someone who breaks the mold. I.E. datysuk and zetterberg. pretty important players for Detroit during their cup runs.

what about 3rd round picks. how important was point for tampa, or marchand?

tampa also has kuch who went in the second round. I get the first round is where you are most likely getting the best talent. however the more assets you have the better your chance of getting nhl players will be. more assets you have at the draft, you have better opportunities to move up, or negotiate with other teams.
- Peter Richards

That picture shows you just how difficult it is to use that strategy. Using multiple assets to move up to say top 3 is also something that is never seen. Why not? Because the value of say a #1 pick is worth the value of about 6 #25 picks by itself.

Does this mean you could trade 6 mid twenties picks for a #1 pick? No team with the #1 pick would ever make that trade. Because those 6 players are going to clog up the roster. The value of a #1 pick may be the same in terms of production as those 6 picks. But that value is far more efficiently realized, because it leaves 5 more open spaces in the roster to get additional production from. Further, the contract value of a #1 pick is far less than what it would take to sign those 6 #25 picks. Thus from a $ pov as well, it makes better sense to cling on to #1 pick. Roughly same argument for other high end picks.

Summary: however many mid to low 1st rounders you garner, they will not collectively get you the coveted high end talent. The best that can happen is you roll the die and get lucky, likely what happened in the Rundblad for VT trade references earlier. Notice how much more luck they needed. The emergence of Binnington. The trade for ROR. The trade for Schenn. A coaching change mid season. Then: relatively mediocre performance in subsequent seaons. Lightning in a bottle really.

Speaking of lightning: we have discussed the value TB attained from late selections. I think that is a far better talent spotting and development organization. Palat, Johnson, Killorn, Kucherov. The turning of Drouin to Sergachev. development of Point.

Too many data points there to call it luck.

Detroit benefited probably from high level scouting of Swedish players before the rest of the league caught on. That legendary scout of theirs. Forget name.

Okay and who are the best players on the team?
- MJL

Sean Couturier.

Is Hextall employed anywhere by chance?

Trading one prospect for a young center is not going back to the old Flyers especially when it’s not that hard to replace that quality of that prospect.
- psuhockey

You're proving my point with the statement that it's not that hard to replace that quality of that prospect. If that's the case, why have the Flyers struggled so badly getting that?

Sean Couturier.

Is Hextall employed anywhere by chance?
- psuhockey

PlayerS

You're proving my point with the statement that it's not that hard to replace that quality of that prospect. If that's the case, why have the Flyers struggled so badly getting that?
- MJL

Briere and Jones are new. There is no reason to think they will repeat the mistakes of the past until they do so.

https://twitter.com/Lalim...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

bring him and CC home...package deal

https://twitter.com/Lalim.../1747731899764592818?s=20

poor CC

Briere and Jones are new. There is no reason to think they will repeat the mistakes of the past until they do so.
- psuhockey

Oh, I disagree completely with that. There is tons of reasons to think it's a possibility that they might. We'll get a glimpse into their mindset in March.