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Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 16 @ 3:49 PM ET
On a serious note, a blind dog could evaluate hockey players better than you.
- Feanor


Does a blind dog have a seeing eye cat?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 16 @ 3:59 PM ET
I think both the Flyers and the other teams understood that if it got out it would have a bad effect on a 19 year old kid in terms of just being able to live a life in this insane social media/death threats world.
- MBFlyerfan


I'm talking about if someone like Hartnell knew. I understand the teams keeping it quiet.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 16 @ 4:12 PM ET
I'm talking about if someone like Hartnell knew. I understand the teams keeping it quiet.
- MJL



I dont think Hartnell knew all along. I think there were some rumblings when he was refusing to meet with Leclair etc.

But to speak to the over all thing, it reminds me of a story Mark Hamill told about Darth Vader being Luke's father.

He said Lucas and Kasdan came to him and said, we are going to tell you something. George knows, Lawrence knows, and now you will know. If it comes out we know we didn't tell anyone, so we will know its you.

Hartnell spoke at length about how clamped down the organization is now on leaking stuff. So maybe not to the extent of hiding a Darth Vader level secret, but the organization has made it clear that things are to stay private unless they explicitly say otherwise.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jan 16 @ 4:46 PM ET
The race for the Jack Adams is officially on! At the midway point of the season Tocchet is leading the way with 70 points (7 first place votes). Bowness is currently in second place with 45 points (1 first place vote) and Torts is in third place with 40 points (4 first place votes). Hmmm...
Angus4444
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2018

Jan 16 @ 4:48 PM ET
I would take that with a grain of salt. If that many people knew and it didn't leak. Something doesn't add up.
- MJL

News flash for you. You’re not relevant in the NHL. Loose lips sink ships. Smart people in this day and age don’t blab about problems. It comes down to respect. Seems to me that Danny B asked his peers to keep it between the Flyers and Cutters inner circle. Just look at what EK posts here, 99.9 % is bullsh$$ .
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jan 16 @ 4:51 PM ET
Did anyone see Hartnell talking about Gauthier on the chicklets podcast?
- MBFlyerfan

Just finished it. Loved hearing Hartsy take shots at their “ok podcast”. I already hated Cutter but listening to Hartnell talk, there’s nothing this could come out and say to change mind. It’s a selfish move by Gauthier. Like, meet with the team and tell them to their faces he’s not playing in Philly after he’s listening to their pitch. I’m perfectly happy with Drysdale but now we’re really thin up front in terms of anything up front coming through the pipeline and this is with Michkov.

Hartnell was definitely the Frost of that Jackets team but Hartsy is over it. A lot of compliments for Torts in that interview on how he possibly made Torts coach of the year. In fact, Hartsy probably did. Torts won a Jack Adams around that time.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 16 @ 5:02 PM ET
Thoughts:

I am ok with resigning Seeler if Walker and Risto get moved. I don't mind Seeler as a 5-6 guy as more youth is filtered in to the lineup. The only spots o D i have are Drysdale, York and Sanheim for next year.

I think there could be interest in Poehling at the deadline. Also if you can find a deal for Deslaurier, then I would take it. Teams seem to love those guys for the playoffs and I would rather keep Hathaway over him.

I wonder if Brink could be moved. Feel like he could be slowly dropping in where he stands. Does Toumaala get brought up eventually as a reward for really showing development this year.




roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jan 16 @ 5:07 PM ET
Thoughts:

I am ok with resigning Seeler if Walker and Risto get moved. I don't mind Seeler as a 5-6 guy as more youth is filtered in to the lineup. The only spots o D i have are Drysdale, York and Sanheim for next year.

I think there could be interest in Poehling at the deadline. Also if you can find a deal for Deslaurier, then I would take it. Teams seem to love those guys for the playoffs and I would rather keep Hathaway over him.

I wonder if Brink could be moved. Feel like he could be slowly dropping in where he stands. Does Toumaala get brought up eventually as a reward for really showing development this year.

- J35Bacher

To be honest. You just know what you’re getting with Nick Seeler as a person and style of player. Of all the players, Konency included, he would be the toughest decision make. Even Hartnell touch on it. The reality is, TK is our biggest trade piece.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 16 @ 5:12 PM ET
Craif Button (agree or disagree, saying largely what I did: that Flyers smeared Cutter). Some other stuff that might be of interest ....

https://theathletic.com/5...ducks-flyers-personality/

Cutter Gauthier’s teammates and coaches speak out after death threats, criticism: ‘Just a humble kid’

Nikita Nesterenko had awakened from an afternoon nap on Monday when he received a cellphone notification. Nesterenko, a former Boston College forward now playing for the American Hockey League’s San Diego Gulls, saw the name of former college teammate Cutter Gauthier pop up in a post sent out by the Anaheim Ducks.

“Originally, I felt like they were just congratulating him on the world juniors or something,” Nesterenko said. “Something weird. Maybe some kind of connection. And then I saw they acquired him. I was like, ‘Wow, that’s crazy.’”

The Ducks had traded Jamie Drysdale, a defenseman they drafted with the No. 6 pick in 2020, and a 2025 second-round pick for Gauthier, the No. 5 pick in 2022. The deal sent shockwaves throughout the hockey world, leaving the Philadelphia Flyers disillusioned and enraging large swaths of their passionate fan base.

A near-sellout crowd at Wells Fargo Center embraced the 21-year-old Drysdale this week in his impressive Flyers debut. On the other hand, Gauthier emerged on Wednesday in two interviews to discuss the trade, though he didn’t provide specific answers about how things broke down with the Flyers. Gauthier said he received death threats via social media after reports emerged that he didn’t want to play for Philadelphia.

So, who is Gauthier? Is the 19-year-old prospect being unfairly maligned for wanting a say in his future? And are his skills good enough to justify all this controversy? Some people who have spent time with him, and have watched him closely, believe he’s not getting fair treatment in some circles.

“He’s got a good personality,” Nesterenko said. “He’s not afraid to speak his mind. People are seeing that.

“Obviously, the Flyers’ fan base and organization is going to be a little salty and pissed off that they didn’t get such a star player. Right away, when you’re kind of pissed off, your first instinct is to trash the kid and say that he’s entitled and he doesn’t want to be there. He’s a great kid.

“He made the decision for himself where he thinks he’s going to fit in better. Have a better development for his career and the future. The fact that people are pointing fingers saying he’s entitled and all this stuff, it’s just crazy to me because he was never like that at college. He just wants what’s best for the team. Just a great player and great kid off the ice.”

Craig Button, a TSN analyst and a former NHL executive, doesn’t like how the Flyers reacted in the trade’s aftermath, with pointed comments from team president Keith Jones and chairman CEO Dan Hilferty, who said on a Flyers-themed podcast: “It’s gonna be a rough ride here and he earned it. We’re Philadelphians and we want people who want to be here with us.”

To Button, the Flyers had some complicity in soiling Gauthier’s makeup.

“I’ve been around Cutter for a number of years,” he said. “I think Cutter is an elite player. I don’t know what happened. Does it really matter? The Philadelphia Flyers were able to make a trade. What amazes me is they were going to protect a kid by not saying anything until they traded him. Then they started a smear campaign.

“It’s a bunch of B.S. as far as I’m concerned. … At the end of it, take the high road. I don’t know if Cutter will ever have a comment on it or if he ever needs to comment on it. Bottom line is, I got all the time in the world for Cutter Gauthier. The Philadelphia Flyers recognized that he wasn’t going to play there, and they went and made a trade. Celebrate what you just did. You don’t have to smear the kid.

“It’s funny. I didn’t see anybody in the Philadelphia Flyers organization talking about Eric Lindros picking where he wanted to go. A bunch of garbage is what I think it is.”


Nesterenko played nine games with the Ducks last season after ending his BC career and is working to get back to Anaheim. He’s hoping to be teammates with Gauthier again and feels that, in Gauthier, the Ducks will have a player who will be known for much more than rejecting the team that drafted him.

“When he comes to Anaheim, he’s going to be great,” Nesterenko said. “He’s super competitive. He wants to win. That’s what we’re striving for. I’ve got nothing but good things to say about him, honestly.”

The first reaction of Boston College associate head coach Brendan Buckley, when he saw the reaction of others to the trade, was to think of Gauthier, who he knew had a lot going on, beyond the trade. The Eagles staff had given their six members of Team USA’s gold medal-winning world juniors squad some time off before returning to Chestnut Hill, Mass., to rejoin the team and restart their collegiate seasons. Some had returned to campus on Jan. 8. Others were still making their way back on Tuesday.
Cutter Gauthier has 29 goals in his 49 games with Boston College. (Michael Miller / ISI Photos/ Getty Images)

For his part, Buckley has “nothing but great things to say about him and what he has done for our program over the last two years.”

“He has been a great teammate, a great guy to coach, he’s competitive in practice, he pushes himself, he wants to get better, he wants the team to do well,” Buckley said. “Last year, we weren’t where we probably wanted to be, and then we had a nice class come in with some good talent and he helped them out and helped get them up to speed.”

He knows the Ducks are getting a good player, too.

“The first thing that comes to mind with Cutter is an elite release and shot,” Buckley said. “He can score from all over the ice and it gets off of his stick quickly. I think it surprises goalies, how quickly the puck can get to them. That semifinal goal on the power play at the world juniors was a great example of how he can just rip a puck and change a game. ”

Buckley said Gauthier has also worked hard to round out his game and prepare for the NHL over the last two seasons.

“He’s just a more mature player now and I think that just comes with being a little bit older and physically maturing, and then also playing in high-compete games, which he has always done the last two years for us,” Buckley said. “He has done a really good job. He works hard and he’s a fun guy to coach because he wants to get better every single day.”

Three years ago, when Gauthier was set to join USA Hockey’s national program, Nick Fohr, one of the coaches for the 2004 age group, remembers there being “a lot said about him.”

There weren’t specifics, but he remembers there being “a bit of a negative connotation from a standpoint of ‘he might be hard to deal with.'”

And so, naturally, he was a little interested in how Gauthier was going to be in their two years together with the team.

In the end, though, “the truth couldn’t have been further from that,” according to Fohr.

“Honestly, all of this stuff that was being said, none of it was true. None of it. He was awesome, and he was a great teammate. He worked his tail off, he was engaging, he had a great relationships with everybody, staff included. He was great. He did everything we asked him to do and he even wanted more.”

Gauthier was billed as one of the stars in his age group from the very start. “Everybody was talking about Cutter Gauthier,” Fohr said. But while he’d finish as that guy — a first-liner for the ’04 team — and would become the No. 5 pick, that’s not where Fohr and USA’s staff started him.

That included playing on the second power-play unit during his time at the program because he played the same spot as a bigger star, Logan Cooley. “It didn’t deter him from going about his business and doing his work and being good with it,” according to Fohr.

“It was a super talented team and he wasn’t played as the highlight guy. Logan Cooley was the highlighted player in the group. And he probably deserved to be on that top unit at times but he wasn’t. So he wasn’t handed everything, he wasn’t given everything, it wasn’t all about Cutter Gauthier. And he was awesome,” Fohr said.

“It wasn’t easy for him here and sometimes if you’re the guy when you come in and you stay the guy for two years like Cooley was, it’s easy for those guys, they never really face any adversity or have moments where they get frustrated and suddenly their true colors come out. And that wasn’t the case for Cutter. He had to work for the things he got and it wasn’t always easy for him. And by the end of it he’s on that line with (Cooley and Jimmy Snuggerud) and things are really, really good. I think it just shows his character, and how he worked, and his compete level.”

That hasn’t changed in Fohr’s time with Gauthier since he left the program, either. He coached him at the 2023 world juniors. Before the 2024 world juniors, when Gauthier was in Plymouth for selection camp, he made time to skate and practice with Fohr’s current U18 team.

“He was awesome with my current players, and there’s no ‘I’m better than anybody else’ type of attitude to him. He’s just a humble kid that just goes about his business and appreciates the things he gets,” Fohr said.

This week, as Fohr watched how all of this played out, he was reminded of players like Jimmy Vesey and Adam Fox, who also decided not to play for the teams that drafted them. On draft day, he remembers seeing Gauthier and his family at the hotel and them being “excited” about the Flyers.

“Things may have changed. … It happens a lot more than people realize. This just happened to be at a big moment with the world juniors and him being a high profile guy. It doesn’t make him a bad person by any means,” Fohr said.

“They’re kids. They’re still kids.”

Gauthier won’t play his first NHL game until he finishes his sophomore season with the Eagles, which could be a memorable one given that they are ranked No. 1 in the nation. It could come with the Ducks in April, as he confirmed that he intends to sign an entry-level contract with them. And there will be great anticipation for the forward, who can play center or on the wing and is, Button fervently believes, a “multi-dimensional threat” in the mold of Colorado Avalanche star Mikko Rantanen as an equally dangerous shooter and set-up man.

“We look at Cutter and think what a great shot and what a great goal scorer he is,” Button said. “He’s also a hell of a playmaker. And I think that’s what keeps opponents off balance when you’re playing against Cutter. He can beat you with a play, he can beat you with a shot. And he’s big. He can skate. He’s got confidence in his game.”

Button calls Gauthier “an elite, elite shooter” with pinpoint accuracy. That has helped him become BC’s top goal scorer over his two seasons, racking up 29 in his first 49 games with the Eagles. He had only two in the United States’ march to their sixth world juniors gold medal but had 10 assists to tie Czechia’s Jiri Kulich, a Sabres prospect, for the tournament scoring title.

Nesterenko played last season with Gauthier at BC and remembers him as a quiet kid at first that started to open up as he found his footing in NCAA competition. The two would flourish as linemates and while the Eagles had a subpar 14-16-6 record, Gauthier led them in goals (16) and points (37) as a freshman.

“On the ice, he’s a gifted scorer,” said Nesterenko, who played three seasons at BC and signed with Anaheim after a trade with the Wild. “It’s not easy at this level to score a goal, so any time you can secure a guy like that with that scoring touch, it’s a huge plus. Off the ice, he’s a great kid. He means well. He’s got a great family. He was kind of shy coming into college. Was very to himself. Obviously, a lot of guys are shy when they come in. New team, new atmosphere. Once he kind of got to know all the guys – and I kind of brought him under my wing, teaching him a couple things – he got adjusted really quick.

“We had a lot of fun. We didn’t have the best team in terms of result. Obviously, they’re doing way better this year. But he was a big part of our team. We had a lot of fun. He’s a great kid.”
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jan 16 @ 5:16 PM ET
I am not reading all of the above.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 16 @ 5:27 PM ET
Thoughts:

I am ok with resigning Seeler if Walker and Risto get moved. I don't mind Seeler as a 5-6 guy as more youth is filtered in to the lineup. The only spots o D i have are Drysdale, York and Sanheim for next year.

I think there could be interest in Poehling at the deadline. Also if you can find a deal for Deslaurier, then I would take it. Teams seem to love those guys for the playoffs and I would rather keep Hathaway over him.

I wonder if Brink could be moved. Feel like he could be slowly dropping in where he stands. Does Toumaala get brought up eventually as a reward for really showing development this year.

- J35Bacher


Unless it's a really good offer, why trade Poehling? He's still relatively young and the Flyers need a 4th line center moving forward. Wiht an injury, he can move up and not kill you. You keep that player. No reason to move Brink either.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 16 @ 5:28 PM ET
I am not reading all of the above.
- roenick97



Button is out of line. If by all accounts, and I actually DO believe this, Gauthier threw a hissy fit because the Flyers wouldn't promise him a lineup spot right out of the gate, then he deserves the criticism.

This is, in my opinion, why his camp is silent. Because he knows if that gets out he wont be smelling so fresh. Guarantee me a lineup spot immediately or Im taking my puck and going home.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jan 16 @ 5:31 PM ET
Button is out of line. If by all accounts, and I actually DO believe this, Gauthier threw a hissy fit because the Flyers wouldn't promise him a lineup spot right out of the gate, then he deserves the criticism.

This is, in my opinion, why his camp is silent. Because he knows if that gets out he wont be smelling so fresh. Guarantee me a lineup spot immediately or Im taking my puck and going home.

- MBFlyerfan

I agree and even if this isn’t the case, find me and every fan of hockey or player before him who swallowed their pride and just played for the team that drafted him a reason. He doesn’t have a reasonable explanation. I am a Fan of the Flyers. There’s nothing Cutter can say that will make this right. I feel like a code has been broken.
atibus
Joined: 06.23.2011

Jan 16 @ 5:32 PM ET
Craif Button (agree or disagree, saying largely what I did: that Flyers smeared Cutter). Some other stuff that might be of interest ....


- PT21


They didn't smear him. The definition of smear:

damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander.


They said what happened from their perspective. He confirmed he didn't want to be here. He used his leverage to get out. He's never told them why. Nothing they did meets the definition of smear.

The Flyers message was to their base of fans who have reacted almost universally positively to what could have been a disastrous situation. They're showing they're shrewd business people and are using their leverage in this crisis to maximum effect with the fan base. You can say you'd rather they kept the org's feelings private or "taken the high road", but they knew who the message was for and delivered it perfectly.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jan 16 @ 5:42 PM ET
They didn't smear him. The definition of smear:



They said what happened from their perspective. He confirmed he didn't want to be here. He used his leverage to get out. He's never told them why. Nothing they did meets the definition of smear.

The Flyers message was to their base of fans who have reacted almost universally positively to what could have been a disastrous situation. They're showing they're shrewd business people and are using their leverage in this crisis to maximum effect with the fan base. You can say you'd rather they kept the org's feelings private or "taken the high road", but they knew who the message was for and delivered it perfectly.

- atibus


There isn’t much Briere or Jonesy have done to make me hate them. I felt they should have kept DeAngelo for the PP, Danny B gifted us Drysdale. Danny B was always in a tough spot.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 16 @ 5:45 PM ET
GMs were likely sympathetic towards Briere. No NHL owner or GM wants to see this happen to anyone because they don’t want to see it happen to them
- anti-lame


Team officials always speak to the media and ask not to be named... NHL execs love to leak and gossip... how many stories have we seen the media break based on team officials that wanted to remain anonymous on matters that were even more sensitive than Cutter's trade request?

My feeling is that DB didn't explicitly mention the trade request to many of the teams he was talking to, if any at all. He probably just offered Cutter's name as an asset might be willing to move for Player X, but didn't mention why, and didn't shop the kid openly.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 16 @ 5:46 PM ET
Craif Button (agree or disagree, saying largely what I did: that Flyers smeared Cutter). Some other stuff that might be of interest ....

- PT21


There's something missing in that entire article. How the Flyers smeared Gauthier. They didn't. Button is full of crap!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 16 @ 5:53 PM ET
Unless it's a really good offer, why trade Poehling? He's still relatively young and the Flyers need a 4th line center moving forward. Wiht an injury, he can move up and not kill you. You keep that player. No reason to move Brink either.
- MJL

maybe RP prices himself out, that is possible no?
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jan 16 @ 5:53 PM ET
They didn't smear him. The definition of smear:



They said what happened from their perspective. He confirmed he didn't want to be here. He used his leverage to get out. He's never told them why. Nothing they did meets the definition of smear.

The Flyers message was to their base of fans who have reacted almost universally positively to what could have been a disastrous situation. They're showing they're shrewd business people and are using their leverage in this crisis to maximum effect with the fan base. You can say you'd rather they kept the org's feelings private or "taken the high road", but they knew who the message was for and delivered it perfectly.

- atibus


I agree. The Flyers never said anything about how good a player or teammate he is. They never said they think he’s going to be hard to coach or not get along with teammates. In fact they said that down to the very last minute they were trying their hardest to get him to agree to play for the Flyers. That doesn’t sound like they dislike the player. What about how Gauthier smeared the Flyers? He refuses to give specifics, but he implies that the team is in disarray. That they are undesirable place to play. If you’re a top pick in the draft chances are you’re going to a bad team. That’s how it works. Refusing to got to the team that drafted you is the ultimate slap in the face.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 16 @ 5:55 PM ET
There's something missing in that entire article. How the Flyers smeared Gauthier. They didn't. Button is full of crap!
- MJL


It was less a smear and more a carefully choreographed good riddance.

We've seen GMs and players have falling out before here. We've seen Ed Snider himself come out in defense of the team vs certain players before. But those felt more spontaneous -- genuine expressions of frustration/outrage.

This one felt like a media strategy to get out in front of the story and manage the feelings of fanbase.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 16 @ 6:00 PM ET
It was less a smear and more a carefully choreographed good riddance.

We've seen GMs and players have falling out before here. We've seen Ed Snider himself come out in defense of the team vs certain players before. But those felt more spontaneous -- genuine expressions of frustration/outrage.

This one felt like a media strategy to get out in front of the story and manage the feelings of fanbase.

- Tomahawk


They have to do something like that. What were they supposed to do. This fanbase would've seen right through it if they just played it off as a hockey trade. It also would've absolutely leaked that they weren't being upfront and the real reason was Gauthier didn't want to play here. It was a good riddance. You don't want to play here then we don't want you. I support that wholeheartedly.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 16 @ 6:03 PM ET
They didn't smear him. The definition of smear:



They said what happened from their perspective. He confirmed he didn't want to be here. He used his leverage to get out. He's never told them why. Nothing they did meets the definition of smear.


The Flyers message was to their base of fans who have reacted almost universally positively to what could have been a disastrous situation. They're showing they're shrewd business people and are using their leverage in this crisis to maximum effect with the fan base. You can say you'd rather they kept the org's feelings private or "taken the high road", but they knew who the message was for and delivered it perfectly.

- atibus



2 points here about "smear"
1. They said he ghosted them. Maybe true in letter but not in spirit if subsequent reports in our local paper are true (and they were not contradicted by the Flyers), as apparently his agents were willing to meet and in fact did meet with the Flyers. So, this innuendo that he ceased all communication was suggestive that he is temperamental/diva-iish/disrespectful/unprofessional. Which in turn would be smearing.

2. Remember, it is only the Flyers who have said they have no idea why he wanted out. The fact that Gauthier is not refuting that is not proof that they indeed had no idea. Gauthier has an interest in this matter dying quickly. So, even if the Flyers are lying, he would not want to keep stoking the fire by refuting them. IF Flyers are indeed lying, that would be another smear.

As for business acumen, etc: fine. But a cynical business strategy, even if it works, is very fair game for criticism, especially if it pretends to be something very sincere.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 16 @ 6:08 PM ET
They have to do something like that. What were they supposed to do. This fanbase would've seen right through it if they just played it off as a hockey trade. It also would've absolutely leaked that they weren't being upfront and the real reason was Gauthier didn't want to play here. It was a good riddance. You don't want to play here then we don't want you. I support that wholeheartedly.
- MJL


None of us had any inkling until Danny spilled the beans.

So if they had just played it off as a hockey trade the fanbase might not have liked it but I don't think anybody would have been the wiser. The trade itself was justifiable from a positional/timeline standpoint, a la JVR for Luke Schenn. They could have just focused all the talk on Drysdale's merits.

But instead, they not only chose to disclose the real reasoning, they also leveraged the full might of the parent company's reach to put the kid on blast.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 16 @ 6:14 PM ET
2 points here about "smear"
1. They said he ghosted them. Maybe true in letter but not in spirit if subsequent reports in our local paper are true (and they were not contradicted by the Flyers), as apparently his agents were willing to meet and in fact did meet with the Flyers. So, this innuendo that he ceased all communication was suggestive that he is temperamental/divasiish/disrespectful/unprofessional. Which in turn would be smearing.


- PT21


The agent played a semantics game and you bought it hook line and sinker. They met at a certain point in time but then cut off all communication. Which led the Flyers to fly all the way to Sweden, just to talk to the kid. The Flyers didn't suggest anything. They gave the facts from their side. That is not smearing.


2. Remember, it is only the Flyers who have said they have no idea why he wanted out. The fact that Gauthier is not refuting that is not proof that they indeed had no idea. Gauthier has an interest in this matter dying quickly. So, even if the Flyers are lying, he would not want to keep stoking the fire by refuting them. IF Flyers are indeed lying, that would be another smear.


- PT21


Are you kidding me? Gauthier, in his media outings after the trade. Completely supports the idea that the Flyers had no idea why. When he refuses to tell anyone why. Including the Flyers! LOL The Flyers don't have an interest in this matter dying quickly? Could that possibly be why the Flyers have not come out and contradicted anything else that was reported as to your point #1? You're not at all consistent in your application of theory.



As for business acumen, etc: fine. But a cynical business strategy, even if it works, is very fair game for criticism, especially if it pretends to be something very sincere.

- PT21


Sure, but you'll have to do better than to just try and support your narrative with comments by Button that don't include any factual information on how the Flyers apparently actually smeared Gauthier.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 16 @ 6:14 PM ET
I am not reading all of the above.
- roenick97


Officially the longest post ever. There should be a limit really
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