I said the same thing the other day and it does feel like the whole response was choreographed.
- rayc16

Oh it was absolutely choreographed. They had almost 8 months to get a plan together. Who he was traded for really wasn't an issue, they were going to roll it out like a mad lib. Gauthier was traded for _____________, and this is why.

Positional need? Top-pair RHD are actually the rarest thing in the game after the handful of legit stud goalies.

I'm not the biggest Cutter fan around, so maybe this doesn't mean much, but I think the Flyers could come out of this on the better end of the trade hockey-wise.
- Tomahawk

I hope they do, but come on, teams don’t often trade a high draft pick before he ever steps on the ice; especially coming off the gold medal and tournament MVP wins. It was shocking. They needed a better explanation than young right D men are hard to find.

agents do not operate that way or they won't have a long client list and will find it hard to do their job.

He absolutely told them something. Maybe not what the flyers wanted to hear or found acceptable. Just don't buy he said just trade him and gave them nothing.

could be several reasons why he made no statement. One being not to ruin his relationship with the flyers or piss off other gm's. He also said it was personal between CG and his family or something to that effect. Not the answer peeps want.

It will come out at some point after he signs his contract imo.
- hello it's me 2050

The agents job is to look after his client and adhere to the clients wish’s. DB made certain to say this wasn’t an agent issue. Maybe it will or maybe it won’t come out. If what Hartnell said today is true it could be as simple as the kid getting his nose out of joint because the Flyers wouldn’t guarantee his spot in the NHL lineup then what’s he gonna say? Regardless it’s his right to do what he did. It’s the Flyers right to handle the situation the way they did. If Drysdale hits…then I would say the Flyers got awful lucky to get out of the situation the way they did. Time will tell.

1. See my response to atibus.
2. That's as maybe. What is certain is that they told the fan base what the fan base wanted to believe happened. Else, uncomfortable questions might have arisen as to why a player might want to leave the ...ummm ... "New Age of Orange!"
3. See my response to atibus.
- PT21

Sometimes in life there is no conspiracy. It’s just a situation and the truth.

lets for sake of discussion say walker is traded. Put seeler on the side for a minute.

Attard imo is no longer part of the onversation. Bonk is not part of the equation next year at all. That leaves Andrae.

Barring a trade the Flyers will have: Sanheim, JD, RR, Zamula, and York. You think they will roll with those 5 and Andare? I sure as poop do not. They will add someone. Will that someone be a top 4 guy or vet Seeler type?

My I trade Seeler to acquire more assets. To me Seeler would be worth more in a package, though I doubt the flyers move nay forwards.

also Seeler has earned that amount based on his play.
- hello it's me 2050

Your opinion is Attard, not viable. Maybe, maybe not. Why could Attard or Andrae not have growth like Zamula did this season? I am still very much in the belief that Andrae will be a regular top 6 Dman. This is his first year playing exclusively on a North American rink. The angles are so much different then the larger European rinks. I give him credit to make an NHL roster out of training camp after playing 10 games at LV last season. So he got sent down for me was not a negative. If it is a true rebuild and the Flyers are not true Cup contenders, extending a 31"yr Dman makes little sense to me. Seeler is replaceable and I hope he gets paid by another team.

GODDANMN

This Embiid/Jokic battle is a sight to behold

Kucherov is the new Jagr. In fact, Jagr should only hope to be Kucherov. Kucherov is the guy I hope Michkov becomes. Plus Kucherov has mocked Montreal, which helps.

Kucherov is the new Jagr. In fact, Jagr should only hope to be Kucherov. Kucherov is the guy I hope Michkov becomes. Plus Kucherov has mocked Montreal, which helps.
- roenick97

Torts currently in 3rd place for the Jack Adams. He is behind Tocchet and just behind Bowness in the current voting. He actually has 4 first place votes versus just one for Bowness. Tocchet has 7 first place votes.

I hope they do, but come on, teams don’t often trade a high draft pick before he ever steps on the ice; especially coming off the gold medal and tournament MVP wins. It was shocking. They needed a better explanation than young right D men are hard to find.
- Dkos

Who is "they", Briere and Jones? I think they explained it the best they could, Quitter did not want to play for the Flyers. No one other than Quitter knows why and honestly it's doesn't matter. Quitter didn't want to be a Flyer, and now he is not a Flyer. Briere did the best he could given the situation, I really believe that.

Torts currently in 3rd place for the Jack Adams. He is behind Tocchet and just behind Bowness in the current voting. He actually has 4 first place votes versus just one for Bowness. Tocchet has 7 first place votes.
- Phillywhiteout

Hmmm .. what a surprise!

Your opinion is Attard, not viable. Maybe, maybe not. Why could Attard or Andrae not have growth like Zamula did this season? I am still very much in the belief that Andrae will be a regular top 6 Dman. This is his first year playing exclusively on a North American rink. The angles are so much different then the larger European rinks. I give him credit to make an NHL roster out of training camp after playing 10 games at LV last season. So he got sent down for me was not a negative. If it is a true rebuild and the Flyers are not true Cup contenders, extending a 31"yr Dman makes little sense to me. Seeler is replaceable and I hope he gets paid by another team.
- Trox88

I think both Andrae and Attard will be ready for the Flyers by the end of this season and definitely next season. Attard actually could play for the Flyers right now if they had a spot for him.

CG may have been paying attention to the M Frost situation and home sitting so much and thought yeah screw that I don’t want that.
Still if high profile drafted players start insisting they will not sign with the teams that drafted them the NHL is going to have to step in.
I think he got bad advice and he should expect some blowback but getting threats and being harassed is over the line.
Edited Grost to Frost

That potential revolt was probably why they chose to disclose the reasoning. Despite what they said about feeling like they needed to protect Cutter, organizationally it seems they were more than happy to unleash the fury of the fanbase on him rather than have that fury focused on the team. Especially with the fanbase starting to re-engage with Torts, the New Age of Orange and some winning.

Otherwise if Cutter didn't talk and the Flyers didn't talk... who would have gone public? I have a feeling that most of the teams the Flyers were talking to didn't know about the player requesting a trade.
- Tomahawk

The Flyers had every right to explain the situation to their fan base. Gauthier did not want to play for the Flyers. He refused to meet with Sharpe and LeClair, and refused to meet with Briere and Jones in Sweden. The fans have a right to know these facts. The only things that were said about Gauthier by those that actually work for the Flyers (Torts, Briere, Jones and Hilferty) were succinct and to the point: "we don't know why he doesn't want to play for the Flyers, he would not tell us", "if he does not want to be a Flyer he will not be a Flyer", and "I would rather talk about the player coming in here". They made no disparaging remarks towards Quitter that I heard or were "quoted".

EVERYTHING else said about the situation came from speculation from the fans, media members, and podcasts. The unfortunate death threats to Hayes and Quitter were solely because of ASF's rushed reporting and Bundy's rant. You can't blame the Flyers organization for this!

And at the end of the day, you can't blame the fans of those who work for the Flyers to be upset about the situation. This is the number 5 pick in the draft. The Flyers had a contract ready for him to sign and he would have been given every chance to play for the Flyers this year. Instead Quitter refused to play for the Flyers, without explanation, and chose to play another year at BC. These are major warning signs of deep character flaws, and I think the Flyers were super fortunate to get out from under it the way they did.

Telling the story of what Cutter did is not smearing him. The Flyers owed the truth to the fans.
- mikeyo27

Not to comment on the veracity of the Flyers statements but the only time "truth or owe the truth" comes into play with corporations and most sporting teams is when it makes the corp/team sympathetic and doesn't cost the the corp/team money or they got caught in a lie. This was a calculation.

Quite the puff piece from the athletic…lol. Could have been written by his representatives.

- landros 2

Button is off-base here IMO. No one is arguing that Quitter does not have the potential to be a great NHL player, after all that is why he was drafted 5th overall. The problem is if draft picks are not going to play for the teams that drafted them, we have a serious problem here. How is this fair to teams that who for better or worse, were in the position to get a potential star and rebuild their franchise. The NHL must address this moving forward. I hated what Lindros did to the Nordiques. Surely as a Flyer fan at the time I loved getting Lindros, but it only took a few seasons to realize the Flyers made a bad deal and would pay for it for many years to come. However, even at the time I thought it set a bad precedent, which luckily has not been repeated too frequently. In this case however, Gauthier should have at least explained the reasoning behind his decision and given the Flyers every opportunity to present their case. If he had done this, I don't think what happened last week would have went down like it did. It was bad enough Gauthier didn't want to play for the Flyers. But he made it worse by shunning the Flyers and the fan base and not offering a reasonable explanation as to why. Gauthier will receive backlash from Flyer's fans for years to come, as it should be; he deserves every bit of it for how he handled this situation.

I did the cut and paste for the sake of anyone interested and without a subscription, and because I saw it being discussed.

Too long? Then here is an incredible idea.

Don't fn read it.
- PT21

So you took something that was behind a pay wall and made it free to everyone on this board. I am sure the author appreciates your efforts on giving away his work.

Your opinion is Attard, not viable. Maybe, maybe not. Why could Attard or Andrae not have growth like Zamula did this season? I am still very much in the belief that Andrae will be a regular top 6 Dman. This is his first year playing exclusively on a North American rink. The angles are so much different then the larger European rinks. I give him credit to make an NHL roster out of training camp after playing 10 games at LV last season. So he got sent down for me was not a negative. If it is a true rebuild and the Flyers are not true Cup contenders, extending a 31"yr Dman makes little sense to me. Seeler is replaceable and I hope he gets paid by another team.
- Trox88

yes my opinion is Attard does not fit into any future plans on the blue line. he will be 25 in a few months.

Andrae has a future on the blue line. Whether or not not he progresses enough we shall see. My point was Do you see Andrae on the blue line next season to start the year knowing they have RR, Sanheim, JD, York, and Zamula already in the top 5. I highly doubt they have Andrae in that group. IMO they will have another vet being Seeler or someone else to round out the top 6 barring a trade.

This isnt a a true rebuild. As I said I trade seeler though the flyers seem very comfortable with him. So they may keep the known rather then someone else

I think both Andrae and Attard will be ready for the Flyers by the end of this season and definitely next season. Attard actually could play for the Flyers right now if they had a spot for him.
- jd250

I watched a couple of Phantom games and from what I saw I agree.

The Flyers had every right to explain the situation to their fan base. Gauthier did not want to play for the Flyers. He refused to meet with Sharpe and LeClair, and refused to meet with Briere and Jones in Sweden. The fans have a right to know these facts. The only things that were said about Gauthier by those that actually work for the Flyers (Torts, Briere, Jones and Hilferty) were succinct and to the point: "we don't know why he doesn't want to play for the Flyers, he would not tell us", "if he does not want to be a Flyer he will not be a Flyer", and "I would rather talk about the player coming in here". They made no disparaging remarks towards Quitter that I heard or were "quoted".

EVERYTHING else said about the situation came from speculation from the fans, media members, and podcasts. The unfortunate death threats to Hayes and Quitter were solely because of ASF's rushed reporting and Bundy's rant. You can't blame the Flyers organization for this!

And at the end of the day, you can't blame the fans of those who work for the Flyers to be upset about the situation. This is the number 5 pick in the draft. The Flyers had a contract ready for him to sign and he would have been given every chance to play for the Flyers this year. Instead Quitter refused to play for the Flyers, without explanation, and chose to play another year at BC. These are major warning signs of deep character flaws, and I think the Flyers were super fortunate to get out from under it the way they did.
- jd250

maybe he didnt tell them, I bet my left nut the agent told them why.

fans do not have right no know why.

me I do not care, he is gone so move on.

I think both Andrae and Attard will be ready for the Flyers by the end of this season and definitely next season. Attard actually could play for the Flyers right now if they had a spot for him.
- jd250

where do you see either one fitting on the blue line come sept 2024

maybe he didnt tell them, I bet my left nut the agent told them why.

fans do not have right no know why.

me I do not care, he is gone so move on.
- hello it's me 2050

Agreed! I mean, the guy is gone! Who cares at this point and the truth is that we may never know the truth of what went down, but life goes on. Dwelling on the he said she said crap. I don't get the intrigue, but I guess that's just me.

maybe he didnt tell them, I bet my left nut the agent told them why.

fans do not have right no know why.

me I do not care, he is gone so move on.
- hello it's me 2050

I would think you’d value your left nut more then this.

Had the Flyers not explained, in full, their side of the equation they would look incompetent. As a new group that would have not been fair to them. They owe the kid NOTHING.

Agreed! I mean, the guy is gone! Who cares at this point and the truth is that we may never know the truth of what went down, but life goes on. Dwelling on the he said she said crap. I don't get the intrigue, but I guess that's just me.
- Phillywhiteout

This we all agree on. It’s done. The time to move on was the day after the trade. But in this new world of social media and conspiracy theories we both know that was never going to happen.

Sometimes in life there is no conspiracy. It’s just a situation and the truth.
- landros 2

Let me guess........your one of those people who still thinks the earth is round too aren't ya.