Sheesh.

Let it go guys.

I think both Andrae and Attard will be ready for the Flyers by the end of this season and definitely next season. Attard actually could play for the Flyers right now if they had a spot for him.
- jd250

I have serious doubts that Attard ever plays regularly for the Flyers.

I have serious doubts that Attard ever plays regularly for the Flyers.
- MJL

care to share your reasons why?

anything good for breakfast today?

I really hope this Seeler extension talk is just a smokescreen. I really cannot justify signing a player who could realistically be the #7 Dman next season even with Walker being moved at deadline. Certainly possible Seeler will need to play better then both Andrae, Attard and Bonk in training camp next season. I would believe Seeler's side would want a multi yr extension between 1.5-2 million/yr. Cannot blame Seeler for trying to ask for that kind of money. He'll be 31 in the summer. His last real chance to get much above vet minimum. For me, that is not good cap management by the team, and this reminds me of Fletcher re signing Laughton instead of trading him. I hope Briere has learned from Fletcher's mistake.
- Trox88

Unfortunately, he is a grizzled vet who tries hard and will fight, so he will only need to be at 80% of the younger players. Seeler is like a left-handed middle relief pitcher in baseball. He only needs a pulse, and he will carve out a nice living as a 6/7 d-man, making league minimum or 3X that if he stays with the Flyers.

Not to comment on the veracity of the Flyers statements but the only time "truth or owe the truth" comes into play with corporations and most sporting teams is when it makes the corp/team sympathetic and doesn't cost the the corp/team money or they got caught in a lie. This was a calculation.
- Flyers_01

Lol, love how people actually believe they were told because the Flyers REALLY just "care" about the fans and respect their right to know haha... (well they care about our money)

I hope they do, but come on, teams don’t often trade a high draft pick before he ever steps on the ice; especially coming off the gold medal and tournament MVP wins. It was shocking. They needed a better explanation than young right D men are hard to find.
- Dkos

They could have taken a page from the 'Hawks/Perry and just not said anything... but then we'd be left wondering if Cutter banged Michkov's mom or something...

Lol, love how people actually believe they were told because the Flyers REALLY just "care" about the fans and respect their right to know haha... (well they care about our money)



- Tomahawk

Let's be real, is anyone really thinking this is about emotion and caring about the fans. It was business for Gauthier and it's business for the Flyers. Why is that an issue with the Flyers?

Let's be real, is anyone really thinking this is about emotion and caring about the fans. It was business for Gauthier and it's business for the Flyers. Why is that an issue with the Flyers?
- MJL

I think Briere and Jones were legitimately pissed off. Is that an emotion?

We have talked about the Flyers needing elite talent on their roster and rightly so. Well I think we sometimes forget the Flyers do have elite talent on their roster in Travis Konecny. Sure there are better scorers in the league and better players on the PP. But very few players can be very effective 5v5, on the PP and on the PK. TK is one of those players, and when you add in the intangibles like how consistent his motor is and his willingness to jump in front of the a bus for his team, the entire package makes TK elite IMO. Bergeron was elite in the same way.

I think the Flyers have a couple of players on the team that have the potential to be elite. Drysdale of course, and the other is Owen Tippet. Tippet has on three occasions this year (that I recall) scored highlight reel goals, based on individual effort, that were either game winners (Anaheim and St Louis) or big goals that lead to victories (Colorado). If Tippet can improve the accuracy of his shot and demonstrate these types of individual plays more consistently in games, he can surely become an elite scorer in this league that can routinely score 40+ goals per season.

So you took something that was behind a pay wall and made it free to everyone on this board. I am sure the author appreciates your efforts on giving away his work.
- WhiskeyMan

jfc

I think Briere and Jones were legitimately pissed off. Is that an emotion?
- Dkos

Good point but I think their response was calculated and planned rather than emotion based.

How are all the scorned lovers feeling this morning? There is a Taylor Swift song out there for you all to feel better. It will help.

We have talked about the Flyers needing elite talent on their roster and rightly so. Well I think we sometimes forget the Flyers do have elite talent on their roster in Travis Konecny. Sure there are better scorers in the league and better players on the PP. But very few players can be very effective 5v5, on the PP and on the PK. TK is one of those players, and when you add in the intangibles like how consistent his motor is and his willingness to jump in front of the a bus for his team, the entire package makes TK elite IMO. Bergeron was elite in the same way.

I think the Flyers have a couple of players on the team that have the potential to be elite. Drysdale of course, and the other is Owen Tippet. Tippet has on three occasions this year (that I recall) scored highlight reel goals, based on individual effort, that were either game winners (Anaheim and St Louis) or big goals that lead to victories (Colorado). If Tippet can improve the accuracy of his shot and demonstrate these types of individual plays more consistently in games, he can surely become an elite scorer in this league that can routinely score 40+ goals per season.
- jd250

Tippett is not going to be an elite player in this league. He can be a 30 goal scorer and a really nice player but he's not going to be elite. That is actually the area that Tippett has to work on. How to work off of and create plays in tandem with his linemates rather than making individual plays. I think Drysdale has a chance to be a legit top pairing defenseman.

Unfortunately, he is a grizzled vet who tries hard and will fight, so he will only need to be at 80% of the younger players. Seeler is like a left-handed middle relief pitcher in baseball. He only needs a pulse, and he will carve out a nice living as a 6/7 d-man, making league minimum or 3X that if he stays with the Flyers.
- mr4tno

seeler is a legit top 6 dman on any team.

I am with you that you move him and take the asset. As said yesterday he doesn't have a lot of miles on his body. Any team can fit him in with no issue.

Let's be real, is anyone really thinking this is about emotion and caring about the fans. It was business for Gauthier and it's business for the Flyers. Why is that an issue with the Flyers?
- MJL

The issue is that they manipulated and weaponized the fanbase as a strategy for dealing with the fallout.

Cutter was gonna probably catch flak no matter what but Danny/Jonesy/Hilferty poured gas all over him and lit him up themselves.

Meanwhile the Flyers play the victim so the fans won't focus on why the prospect doesn't want to play for the hapless, dysfunctional franchise that hasn't won anything in almost 50-years despite having every advantage.

The issue is that they manipulated and weaponized the fanbase as a strategy for dealing with the fallout.

Cutter was gonna probably catch flak no matter what but Danny/Jonesy/Hilferty poured gas all over him and lit him up themselves.

Meanwhile the Flyers play the victim so the fans won't focus on why the prospect doesn't want to play for the hapless, dysfunctional franchise that hasn't won anything in almost 50-years despite having every advantage.
- Tomahawk

I couldn't disagree with this more. They didn't manipulate anyone. They gave their side of the story. How did they poor gas all over him? I personally don't think it had anything to do with the Flyers performance over the past 50 years. I'm on the Flyers side on this but I still think they're a dysfunctional franchise.

I couldn't disagree with this more. They didn't manipulate anyone. They gave their side of the story. How did they poor gas all over him? I personally don't think it had anything to do with the Flyers performance over the past 50 years. I'm on the Flyers side on this but I still think they're a dysfunctional franchise.
- MJL

I don't take either side. Neither party seems blameless.

In the Flyers' case we know they have a history of mishandling players and breaking promises.

Cutter we can just assume he's an entitled Gen Z, haha.

But Cutter is taking the "high road" and the Flyers are putting on a soap opera.

We have talked about the Flyers needing elite talent on their roster and rightly so. Well I think we sometimes forget the Flyers do have elite talent on their roster in Travis Konecny. Sure there are better scorers in the league and better players on the PP. But very few players can be very effective 5v5, on the PP and on the PK. TK is one of those players, and when you add in the intangibles like how consistent his motor is and his willingness to jump in front of the a bus for his team, the entire package makes TK elite IMO. Bergeron was elite in the same way.

I think the Flyers have a couple of players on the team that have the potential to be elite. Drysdale of course, and the other is Owen Tippet. Tippet has on three occasions this year (that I recall) scored highlight reel goals, based on individual effort, that were either game winners (Anaheim and St Louis) or big goals that lead to victories (Colorado). If Tippet can improve the accuracy of his shot and demonstrate these types of individual plays more consistently in games, he can surely become an elite scorer in this league that can routinely score 40+ goals per season.
- jd250

I think this is why torts played the hell out of Tippet last year. He was trying to see if the kid would jump to that next level. Sometimes it’s just opportunity. I think the raw skill is there for Tippet to be a star player, but I have my doubts that it will ever be realized, still a guy scoring 30 goals a year with his size and skating ability is definitely something you can build with. It will be interesting to see how much more he can grow as a player or is this it?

I don't take either side. Neither party seems blameless.

In the Flyers' case we know they have a history of mishandling players and breaking promises.

Cutter we can just assume he's an entitled Gen Z, haha.

But Cutter is taking the "high road" and the Flyers are putting on a soap opera.
- Tomahawk

He is "taking the high road" because he knows most of the league does not like how he handled this situation. Taking the high road is a CYA move if you ask me. Never give the real reason because you know most of the league would not like it=high road.

I do not think the Briere, Jones or Hilferty went overboard with the content they provided about the situation. They basically said what happened from their point of view. I am sure it is somewhat slanted to favor the Flyers but a lot of truth as well.

I think this is why torts played the hell out of Tippet last year. He was trying to see if the kid would jump to that next level. Sometimes it’s just opportunity. I think the raw skill is there for Tippet to be a star player, but I have my doubts that it will ever be realized, still a guy scoring 30 goals a year with his size and skating ability is definitely something you can build with. It will be interesting to see how much more he can grow as a player or is this it?
- landros 2

As MJL said the physical tools are all there... but the hockey sense and his ability to utilize his teammates seems suspect at this point. And those things are harder to improve on than the physical stuff.

Edit: His ability to create his own scoring chances is a huge thing tho... that's almost impossible to develop.

I hope they do, but come on, teams don’t often trade a high draft pick before he ever steps on the ice; especially coming off the gold medal and tournament MVP wins. It was shocking. They needed a better explanation than young right D men are hard to find.
- Dkos

What better explanation is there other than the kid did NOT want to come to Philly? I'm puzzled by this statement. CG wanted out and the Flyers sought the best return possible under the circumstances. It doesn't get any more complicated than that.

He is "taking the high road" because he knows most of the league does not like how he handled this situation. Taking the high road is a CYA move if you ask me. Never give the real reason because you know most of the league would not like it=high road.

I do not think the Briere, Jones or Hilferty went overboard with the content they provided about the situation. They basically said what happened from their point of view. I am sure it is somewhat slanted to favor the Flyers but a lot of truth as well.
- mickel25

IMO the Flyers should have done a little less expounding and Cutter should be doing a little more explaining.

IMO the Flyers should have done a little less expounding and Cutter should be doing a little more explaining.
- Tomahawk

Most of the "noise" has been outside the organization though. People in the media who cover the team versus the actual reps of the organization who haven't said much since explaining what happened to the fan base. Which I honestly appreciate.
The rest is just drummed up drama... Both for and against both sides.

The issue is that they manipulated and weaponized the fanbase as a strategy for dealing with the fallout.

Cutter was gonna probably catch flak no matter what but Danny/Jonesy/Hilferty poured gas all over him and lit him up themselves.

Meanwhile the Flyers play the victim so the fans won't focus on why the prospect doesn't want to play for the hapless, dysfunctional franchise that hasn't won anything in almost 50-years despite having every advantage.
- Tomahawk

Definitely a point of view, I think they are running a business and did what they should have done. Now, I have not hawked all the stories, but what I have seen from DB and Jones, I think they handled it professionally and appropriately.

But Cutter is taking the "high road" and the Flyers are putting on a soap opera.
- Tomahawk

All the Flyers did was give their side of the story. Gauthier isn't taking the high road. He's being a punk and not being man enough to give his reasoning. Which is allowing speculation and rumors to flourish.