Winnipeg is in the lead for the Presidents trophy. Rick Bowness is most definitely in the picture for the Jack Adams. You need to think more.
- MJL

Yeah, sure he's in the picture. I didn't say he wasn't.

It's a well known phenomenon in sports. It's an 82 games season against a non conference, non division opponent. The Flyers played really well and dominated the game. Across the board. They deserve credit for that. However, the Stars simply didn't show up! They're one of the best offensive teams in the league and they registered one shot on net in the first period. Only 15 shots on net for the entire game. How specifically did Tortorella outcoach them? What specific tactics did Tortorella employ for this game? I'd like to know. I bet some coaches in the western conference would like to know when they face Dallas. LOL Tortorella is not going to win the Jack Adams award. Not as long as Vancouver and Winnipeg is in the picture. Knoblauch in Edmonton is also in the picture now with what he has done with Edmonton.
The way it used to be! I know, you're satisfied. All they had to do was win some regular season games and you're hooked to the gills! So sit back and enjoy. I want to enjoy my team skating the Cup around the ice.
- MJL

Oh, you know already.

Winnipeg didn't show up... St. Louis didn't show up... the Wild didn't show up either? And that was just this last trip... The Avs didn't show up before... and all in their own barns.

It has been a pattern now... the Flyers outshoot their opponents... they out chance them when they're on the PK... I don't have to tell you how Torts is outcoaching them; you're a smart cookie... you can see it for yourself. What does NHL and Sirius have to say on it? Do you honestly believe the Flyers are still sneaking up on their opponents? It's been a full half season now... those good teams can't all be so unprofessional. I'm taking this as the first step BACK to respectability by the Flyers... back to the days when Mr. Snider was still alive. Will it last? I don't see why not... we've all been wrong with them before, coming into the season... I'm happy being proven wrong... and i will admit it... Will you join me/us? 😊👍

Sorry, I'm not buying it. The Flyers played the Stars earlier in the season and played them basically to a draw before losing in OT. The Stars were aware of this team beforehand, but the Flyers surprised them with how much their game has improved since that game in big "D".
- Phillywhiteout

Surprised them, sure. But why? You can also be surprised if you see this as just another game in a long season and are not fully prepared.

Surprised them to the tune of 27-1 and they were trying their hardest? Did we suddenly become the Oilers from the 80s?

This is from EK, so taken with a grain of salt, but he says the Flyers have the most cap space of the top 10 teams currently in the NHL at 23.1 million. Is this true?
- Phillywhiteout

Um, no. There isn't a single team in the league who has close to that. No idea where Eklund is getting that from. Currently, the Flyers are looking at being able to take on 2.9M in cap hits at the deadline but they can increase that significantly by placing Ryan Ellis on LTIR, once they make some moves. They could also obviously increase cap space by moving some of their players for picks and prospects not on the NHL roster.

Yeah, sure he's in the picture. I didn't say he wasn't.
- Phillywhiteout

In a recent poll, Both Bowness and Tocchet are head of Tortorella in Jack Adams voting.

Surprised them, sure. But why? You can also be surprised if you see this as just another game in a long season and are not fully prepared.

Surprised them to the tune of 27-1 and they were trying their hardest? Did we suddenly become the Oilers from the 80s?
- PT21

Ha ha, would be surprised that they would be that lackluster on the first game of a road trip. The Stars should have been relatively fresh. Now that I think about it that's probably why the Flyers were so dominant. Many of them said that they had two full days off after the Blues game, and they felt refreshed and energetic.

In a recent poll, Both Bowness and Tocchet are head of Tortorella in Jack Adams voting.
- MJL

Yeah, Bowness had 45 points to Torts' 40 points, but Torts had 4 first place votes to Bowness's 1 first place vote. That was actually taken before the last few games played by the Flyers.

Um, no. There isn't a single team in the league who has close to that. No idea where Eklund is getting that from. Currently, the Flyers are looking at being able to take on 2.9M in cap hits at the deadline but they can increase that significantly by placing Ryan Ellis on LTIR, once they make some moves. They could also obviously increase cap space by moving some of their players for picks and prospects not on the NHL roster.
- MJL

Yeah, that number didn't look right to me either, so I have no idea where he got that number from.

Oh, you know already.

Winnipeg didn't show up... St. Louis didn't show up... the Wild didn't show up either? And that was just this last trip... The Avs didn't show up before... and all in their own barns.


- ForeverFlyer16

I don't recall stating that any of those teams in those games, just didn't show up.

It has been a pattern now... the Flyers outshoot their opponents... they out chance them when they're on the PK... I don't have to tell you how Torts is outcoaching them; you're a smart cookie... you can see it for yourself. What does NHL and Sirius have to say on it? Do you honestly believe the Flyers are still sneaking up on their opponents? It's been a full half season now... those good teams can't all be so unprofessional. I'm taking this a the first step BACK to respectability by the Flyers... back to the days when Mr. Snider was still Alice. Will it last? I don't see why not... we've all been wrong with them before, coming into the season... I'm happy being proven wrong... and i will admit it... Will you join me/us? 😊👍
- ForeverFlyer16

Not talking about outshooting a team. I'm talking about holding one of the top offensive teams in the NHL to one shot in a period. To 15 shots for the entire game! Surely you can decipher the difference between those two positions?

You don't have to tell me anything. That is your choice. However you made the statement that Tortorella outcoached DeBoer. It was a reasonable question to ask how. I was under no expectation of you answering that. I believe in some cases, some teams are not prepared for the strong effort and cohesive team play that the Flyers are playing with yes. I believe that the Stars, simply didn't show up prepared to play last night.

having a bad start or bad game doesn't mean they took them lightly.

do the flyers get any credit for that shot discrepancy ? Or for the way dallas played?
- hello it's me 2050

Of course. They are definitely taking teams by surprise. I am only talking about the magnitude of the discrepancy in shots. Not its existence.

Yesterday was not a playoff type game. Dallas left gaping holes in their coverage. Multiple uncontested shots They were very sloppy in neutral ice.

All this makes me think ...

Yeah, Bowness had 45 points to Torts' 40 points, but Torts had 4 first place votes to Bowness's 1 first place vote. That was actually taken before the last few games played by the Flyers.
- Phillywhiteout

Yet, you said the Winnipeg coach wasn't ahead of Tortorella.

Ha ha, would be surprised that they would be that lackluster on the first game of a road trip. The Stars should have been relatively fresh. Now that I think about it that's probably why the Flyers were so dominant. Many of them said that they had two full days off after the Blues game, and they felt refreshed and energetic.
- Phillywhiteout

Happens all the time. Long season. Not a traditional foe. Not much implications for standings etc etc

Mind you, I am just saying this is a factor. Not only factor.

Also, why are you getting so excited by the Jack Adams nominations? Such awards are heavily biased towards coaches who take bad teams to respectability, rather than coaches who maintain excellence. Even though, imo, the latter is much more creditable.

Torts follows my posts closely. 😊
- ForeverFlyer16

We all do. 😁

Happens all the time. Long season. Not a traditional foe. Not much implications for standings etc etc

Mind you, I am just saying this is a factor. Not only factor.

Also, why are you getting so excited by the Jack Adams nominations? Such awards are heavily biased towards coaches who take bad teams to respectability, rather than coaches who maintain excellence. Even though, imo, the latter is much more creditable.
- PT21

That actually is not the case. It is heavily biased towards coaches who coach their team to very high position in the overall standings. Normally top 5 or 6 teams.

Yet, you said the Winnipeg coach wasn't ahead of Tortorella.
- MJL

Not now if a poll was taken today. They beat the Jets in The Peg and the Flyguys are rollin!

I don't recall stating that any of those teams in those games, just didn't show up.




Not talking about outshooting a team. I'm talking about holding one of the top offensive teams in the NHL to one shot in a period. To 15 shots for the entire game! Surely you can decipher the difference between those two positions?

You don't have to tell me anything. That is your choice. However you made the statement that Tortorella outcoached DeBoer. It was a reasonable question to ask how. I was under no expectation of you answering that. I believe in some cases, some teams are not prepared for the strong effort and cohesive team play that the Flyers are playing with yes. I believe that the Stars, simply didn't show up prepared to play last night.
- MJL

On an isolated instance, yes... but when it's on a regular basis against good teams... like the Jets, for example... I'd have to say that it is more than the Flyers catching one team unprepared. Look at the Habs game where the Flyers held them to two deflected shots in the 1st, and low count in rest of game. Torts has them playing a game where they reduce the SA, and maximize their possessions through their transition game... of course his insistence on shot blocking also goes a long way towards outshooting opponents; it is not merely the Stars where they hold the shots down. Why can't you give Torts any credit? He's taken a so-so team, and made them a formable force in the NHL... against all they play against. It is a good thing, you do realize. The Flyers at this point... halfway into the season... are a good team... whether you want to admit it or not, and much of that must be placed at the feet of Tortorella.

Happens all the time. Long season. Not a traditional foe. Not much implications for standings etc etc

Mind you, I am just saying this is a factor. Not only factor.

Also, why are you getting so excited by the Jack Adams nominations? Such awards are heavily biased towards coaches who take bad teams to respectability, rather than coaches who maintain excellence. Even though, imo, the latter is much more creditable.
- PT21

Well, Torts has taken what was supposed to be a bad team (picked by many to finish at the bottom of the Metro) and turned them into a team that is actually more than respectable at the moment.

Not now if a poll was taken today. They beat the Jets in The Peg and the Flyguys are rollin!
- Phillywhiteout

How do you know that? Winnipeg is 9-1-0 in its last 10 games.

We all do. 😁
- PT21

You embarrass me. 😊

Well, Torts has taken what was supposed to be a bad team (picked by many to finish at the bottom of the Metro) and turned them into a team that is actually more than respectable at the moment.
- Phillywhiteout

Sure he has. More precisely, It is biased towards coaches whose teams tend to show the most improvement.

Take a coach who takes his team from 75 to 95 points. Versus a coach whose teams have been averaging 105 points steadily. The former gets more JA votes.

On an isolated instance, yes... but when it's on a regular basis against good teams... like the Jets, for example... I'd have to say that it is more than the Flyers catching one team unprepared. Look at the Habs game where the Flyers held them to two deflected shots in the 1st, and low count in rest of game. Torts has them playing a game where they reduce the SA, and maximize their possessions through their transition game... of course his insistence on shot blocking also goes a long way towards outshooting opponents; it is not merely the Stars where they hold the shots down. Why can't you give Torts any credit? He's taken a so-so team, and made them a formable force in the NHL... against all they play against. It is a good thing, you do realize. The Flyers at this point... halfway into the season... are a good team... whether you want to admit it or not, and much of that must be placed at the feet of Tortorella.
- ForeverFlyer16

I'm glad we got that straightened out and you now understand that my statement only referred to the Dallas game and not any other game. The Habs are not a top team in the league and a potential contender for the Cup. Nor are they one of the top offensive teams in the league like the Stars are. You seem to be on this task to want to cheerlead for the team. You are free to do so. I look at the big picture. I look at it from the perspective of, is this putting the team on the path of becoming a team that can legitimately compete for the cup over a significant period of time. My answer to that is no. I think it's far more likely that what is happening now, is far more likely to hurt their chances to get to that position. We've had this conversation before. I'm not looking for participation trophies, or Jack Adams trophies. I'm looking for one trophy and one trophy only.

like to see the flyers be proactive and acquire some offense for this last half of the season.......

wonder if hilferty is getting excited about some unexpected playoff revenue

I'm glad we got that straightened out and you now understand that my statement only referred to the Dallas game and not any other game. The Habs are not a top team in the league and a potential contender for the Cup. Nor are they one of the top offensive teams in the league like the Stars are. You seem to be on this task to want to cheerlead for the team. You are free to do so. I look at the big picture. I look at it from the perspective of, is this putting the team on the path of becoming a team that can legitimately compete for the cup over a significant period of time. My answer to that is no. I think it's far more likely that what is happening now, is far more likely to hurt their chances to get to that position. We've had this conversation before. I'm not looking for participation trophies, or Jack Adams trophies. I'm looking for one trophy and one trophy only.
- MJL

nathans hot dog eating contest winner?

In a recent poll, Both Bowness and Tocchet are head of Tortorella in Jack Adams voting.
- MJL

Torts will pass Bowness shortly and Tocchet soon after that. Again I will say it to you plainly: If the Flyers make the playoffs, Torts wins his 3rd Jack Adams hands down.

You embarrass me. 😊
- ForeverFlyer16

I find your joy in the Flyers success, and the way you describe that joy: pure, moving, humbling, and educational.

I will stop here. 🤗