Any trade with LA involving Chychrun or Norris ..... or both would start with Brandt Clarke (Right d-man). Period. Hell, I'd probably even take back PLD.


From LA .... PLD, Brandt Clarke, Roy (another right d-man), Kaliyev

From Ottawa ..... Chychrun, Norris, ..... a minor league prospect like Jarventie

Details to be filled in by the respective GM's.

A Talbot/Korpisalo trade + other bits and pieces .... not a chance. I'll stick with Korpisalo and a rebuilt defence and structure for now.

I think it's Chabbot who's going for PLD straight up.
Keeping Chychrun.
I think both the Isles and Leafs kicked the tires on Tarasenko and probably Mathieu Joseph too. Staois seeing what he might want from either club.

Sadly there's nothing available from either of those two teams. Full no trades or no moves on everyone of substance unless you want 4th line scrubs from the isles.


I think if LA wants Chychrun. It's going to cost them Adrian Kempe. And for LA fans balking at that price. Price of doing business. We have our guy on a sweet deal, so do you.

I wasn't thinking about why the Sens would release DJ to LA. The reason is obvious. My thoughts were more in the direction of why LA would want to hire him. There are many NHL coaches riding the bench right now and many would have jumped at the chance for an LA placement.

Not sure why folks are so opposed to considering the merits of a possible PLD deal. We have it from multiple sources that LA has gone entirely sour on PLD and vice versa. They are trying to move him. We also hear that LA has a huge interest in Chychrun.

If you read the smoke LA seeking Chychrun and pushing PLD the other way is a conversation that should not be ignored...even if you think it is a horrible outcome.
- spatso

PLD is worth negative value right now. He has turned on and soured on not one, not two, but *three* teams. 10% of the league has been burned by this guy and he's only 25. He's an egomaniacal donkey with far too much hubris. He needs a buyout and a couple years of eating humble pie to snap back to reality like Evander Kane needed. Or maybe he's Daigle, and he really doesn't like to play hockey despite having all the tools and gifts to do so. Either which way, he's not where he needs to be right now for this team. Ask again in four years after he's been bought out and has a cup of coffee in Russia.

Remember how Hellebuyck and Scheifele kinda had the Jets in a bind like Hanifin/Lindholm have in Calgary this year? Because they didn't want to sign? Chevy moves PLD - BOTH Helle and Scheif sign 8 year extensions almost immediately. Team turns from fringe to one of the best in the league, in part by removing this player. Those signings were *extremely* telling. All the signs in the world point to stay away - PLD is a cancer and his name shouldn't be mentioned or even entertained for the Sens.

We can sign Roy in the off-season and not waste any capital. Highly want the Sens to do that.

Serious Question: what True #1RD aged 24 to 30 could the Sens trade Norris for?

Avoid PLD like the plague. He'd be a second line center on the Sens and cost them 8.5 mill a year

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- khawk

I don’t want Staios to make any big splash at the deadline. Save it for the draft (if at all) when there’s more options available.

I’m not big on moving Norris, as it’s selling low based on his injuries and I think he’s still got the upside to play up to the contract. There’s a lot of centers right now though, so maybe it happens, but that solid RD better be coming back.

On Chabot/Chychryn, I’m okay if they move one, but I’d rather play out the season and see if one of them can take the RD spot.

Personally, I think the bones of this team are quite good; coaching was the problem IMO and that’s been changed. Ride it out this year, tinker in the offseason, and come back fresh.

We can sign Roy in the off-season and not waste any capital. Highly want the Sens to do that.

Serious Question: what True #1RD aged 24 to 30 could the Sens trade Norris for?

Avoid PLD like the plague. He'd be a second line center on the Sens and cost them 8.5 mill a year
- GrimmdaGoalie

Rasmus Andersson from CGY, idk his metrics but he seems like a top 4 defensive RD and CGY would desperately need a actual #1 Center with lindholm gone.

if anyone has a link to a advance metrics website that we can compare player to each other and see how they stack up on D and O post it here please.

For me Norris is Turris 2.0.
Great human. Not very durable.
The difference here is that we paid Norris.
We didn't pay Turris.

i'm fine trading Norris.

PLD is worth negative value right now. He has turned on and soured on not one, not two, but *three* teams. 10% of the league has been burned by this guy and he's only 25. He's an egomaniacal donkey with far too much hubris. He needs a buyout and a couple years of eating humble pie to snap back to reality like Evander Kane needed. Or maybe he's Daigle, and he really doesn't like to play hockey despite having all the tools and gifts to do so. Either which way, he's not where he needs to be right now for this team. Ask again in four years after he's been bought out and has a cup of coffee in Russia.

Remember how Hellebuyck and Scheifele kinda had the Jets in a bind like Hanifin/Lindholm have in Calgary this year? Because they didn't want to sign? Chevy moves PLD - BOTH Helle and Scheif sign 8 year extensions almost immediately. Team turns from fringe to one of the best in the league, in part by removing this player. Those signings were *extremely* telling. All the signs in the world point to stay away - PLD is a cancer and his name shouldn't be mentioned or even entertained for the Sens.
- Bartacus

So much of the focus is around PLD leaving Winnipeg and how the team has improved because of it. Fails to take three significant factors into account. First, and I think most important, the Jets decided to part ways with their long term captain (Blake Wheeler). Even before they decided to part ways they made the decision to operate without a captain. Was Wheeler the negative dressing room piece?

Second, the Jets got a boatload of talent back in the trade PLD. The trade significantly improved on the depth of the Jets and significantly weakened the Kings.

Laine also wanted out of Winnipeg. A cursory examination indicates to me that PLD was not the source of the dressing room discontent.

Well there you go!

Put emotions aside, trading Giroux and Tarasenko would get Ottawa at least 2 additional 1st round picks back this draft. That would be awesome.
- AlfieisKing

Firsts for each of them? Delusional. No wonder you guys stink.

Firsts for each of them? Delusional. No wonder you guys stink.
- LFS

Well, first off there's virtually no chance of Giroux going anywhere, so that's not even worth discussing. Next, if Tarasenko is traded it will be under the condition of waiving a NTC, which means there's virtually no chance of a 1st round pick being involved. Finally, the notion of adding two mid/late 1st round picks from a mediocre draft class a full two years after the team declared the end of their rebuild would be anything but awesome. This team desperately needs to move forward, not backwards. Selling major assets for draft selections that won't even make an NHL impact for at least another 2-3 years isn't the direction we want to be seeing.

Tkachuk was pretty open at the all-star game that their focus is on trying to claw their way back into the playoff race, and I don't think that's just lip service. Even in the midst of their losing streak the rumours were always about adding talent, especially a player along the lines of a Chris Tanev. I wouldn't even discount the possibility of them kicking the tires on one of Colton Parayko of Matt Dumba, who they were often rumoured to be linked to last year, and would certainly help change up the dynamic of the top-4D.

Well, first off there's virtually no chance of Giroux going anywhere, so that's not even worth discussing. Next, if Tarasenko is traded it will be under the condition of waiving a NTC, which means there's virtually no chance of a 1st round pick being involved. Finally, the notion of adding two mid/late 1st round picks from a mediocre draft class a full two years after the team declared the end of their rebuild would be anything but awesome. This team desperately needs to move forward, not backwards. Selling major assets for draft selections that won't even make an NHL impact for at least another 2-3 years isn't the direction we want to be seeing.
- khawk

I agree with the general principle that you put forward that this is not the time for the Sens to be gathering draft picks at this time. I think there is one exception. A draft pick is an asset. Come this summer there will be multiple teams struggling with cap issues going into the draft and an extra 1st round pick might be very helpful in acquiring some experienced depth into the lineup.

Well, first off there's virtually no chance of Giroux going anywhere, so that's not even worth discussing. Next, if Tarasenko is traded it will be under the condition of waiving a NTC, which means there's virtually no chance of a 1st round pick being involved. Finally, the notion of adding two mid/late 1st round picks from a mediocre draft class a full two years after the team declared the end of their rebuild would be anything but awesome. This team desperately needs to move forward, not backwards. Selling major assets for draft selections that won't even make an NHL impact for at least another 2-3 years isn't the direction we want to be seeing.

Tkachuk was pretty open at the all-star game that their focus is on trying to claw their way back into the playoff race, and I don't think that's just lip service. Even in the midst of their losing streak the rumours were always about adding talent, especially a player along the lines of a Chris Tanev. I wouldn't even discount the possibility of them kicking the tires on one of Colton Parayko of Matt Dumba, who they were often rumoured to be linked to last year, and would certainly help change up the dynamic of the top-4D.
- khawk

Senko is playing better this year than last year, he had a NTC last year and got the blues a first, no this whole non-sense about his NTC mean OTT would not get a first in a Senko trade is non-sense. Rather bring back Zeitsev then even have dumba mentioned as a possible get for OTT. Parayko is getting older and worst no thanks.

Senko is playing better this year than last year, he had a NTC last year and got the blues a first, no this whole non-sense about his NTC mean OTT would not get a first in a Senko trade is non-sense. Rather bring back Zeitsev then even have dumba mentioned as a possible get for OTT. Parayko is getting older and worst no thanks.
- Mithos

Well, he's really not playing that much differently than he was last year (slightly more G/GP, slightly fewer Pts/GP), and you might want to go back and look at the actual deal that Rangers-Blues made. STL had to include a 6'5 top-6 D-man in the deal, retain 50% of Tarasenko's salary, and take back a $1.5M AAV salary dump in order to get a trade return that included a 1st round pick. Not sure I see a trade like that in the Senators' future, so I wouldn't hold my breath on the 1st round pick... but I guess we'll see what direction Staios moves them in.

Well, he's really not playing that much differently than he was last year (slightly more G/GP, slightly fewer Pts/GP), and you might want to go back and look at the actual deal that Rangers-Blues made. STL had to include a 6'5 top-6 D-man in the deal, retain 50% of Tarasenko's salary, and take back a $1.5M AAV salary dump in order to get a trade return that included a 1st round pick. Not sure I see a trade like that in the Senators' future, so I wouldn't hold my breath on the 1st round pick... but I guess we'll see what direction Staios moves them in.
- khawk

Blais and NIKO MIKKOLA are a wash, both were pending UFA, Blues got 1 st a 3rd and Hunter Skinner for Senko.

Blais still with blues and Niko left and signed with panthers

Blais and NIKO MIKKOLA are a wash, both were pending UFA, Blues got 1 st a 3rd and Hunter Skinner for Senko.

Blais still with blues and Niko left and signed with panthers
- Mithos

They're really not a wash. One is a valuable D-man that the NYR specifically wanted to be included in the trade and was trusted with playoff games, and now makes $2.5M playing for the defending Conference Champions... on their 2nd D-pairing no less, getting ice time ahead of guys like Ekman-Larsson and Kulikov. The other is a bottom-6 winger that had 0 goals in over 50GP for the NYR, and has fallen off like a stone again this year to the extent that he barely plays even 4th line minutes for a very middle-of-the-road team. So I'm sorry, but no competent GM in the NHL would trade Mikkola for Blais straight-up, and STL wouldn't have gotten a 1st round pick from the NYR for Tarasenko without including Mikkola in the deal.

They're really not a wash. One is a valuable D-man that the NYR specifically wanted to be included in the trade and was trusted with playoff games, and now makes $2.5M playing for the defending Conference Champions... on their 2nd D-pairing no less, getting ice time ahead of guys like Ekman-Larsson and Kulikov. The other is a bottom-6 winger that had 0 goals in over 50GP for the NYR, and has fallen off like a stone again this year to the extent that he barely plays even 4th line minutes for a very middle-of-the-road team. So I'm sorry, but no competent GM in the NHL would trade Mikkola for Blais straight-up, and STL wouldn't have gotten a 1st round pick from the NYR for Tarasenko without including Mikkola in the deal.
- khawk

oh? i did not know you were listening in on the talks for this trade, any other players were discussed? how did this deal come to be? how did it start and how did it end up being what it was. would love to know from someone who seem to have been there

as for Nikko, how he is used now is irrelevant to what he was at the time for the blues, a spare part soon to be UFA. the rangers clearly didn't think he was a keeper as they let him go on July 1st.

blues also got a 3rd and a prospect

oh? i did not know you were listening in on the talks for this trade, any other players were discussed? how did this deal come to be? how did it start and how did it end up being what it was. would love to know from someone who seem to have been there

as for Nikko, how he is used now is irrelevant to what he was at the time for the blues, a spare part soon to be UFA. the rangers clearly didn't think he was a keeper as they let him go on July 1st.

blues also got a 3rd and a prospect
- Mithos

Ok, we're done here. I don't debate with children. Go read the Rangers GM's comments about the trade from news stories that were published at the time. Drury wasn't shy about speaking very well of Mikkola and wanting to add a quality D-man as part of the trade, and several pundits noted that he was quite a bit more than just a throw-in part of the deal. If you don't want to believe that or consider what anyone else might have to say, then knock yourself out.

For me Norris is Turris 2.0.
Great human. Not very durable.
The difference here is that we paid Norris.
We didn't pay Turris.

i'm fine trading Norris.
- Octavarium

The issue with trading Norris is the extent to which they'd be selling low, and possibly having to take back substantial unwanted $$$ just to move that long-term contract. He's also got strong connections with the team leadership - especially with Tkachuk/Batherson, so trading him could have an adverse effect on team culture. Conversely, there's been some talk of potentially shifting him to the wing in order to allow Pinto/Greig to add a bit more dedicated defensive responsibility to the 2C/3C positions. That might not be the worst approach, given that Norris is already more of a goal-scorer than a puck-mover. It would then also gives them C depth to call upon in the event of injuries, rather than having to play someone like Chartier/Kastelic beyond their realistic NHL capacity.

He WAS a proven goal scorer.

The issue this year has been a wayward uncertain power play. Kinda like Pittsburgh's troubles. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Are you a point shooting team (you could be Chychrun has an excellent shot) Are you a one timer over there with Norris? (could be that has worked in the past) Is the "b-unit" cycling it over for Tarasenko....could be. Are we playing the bumper game with Brady and Bath ? That has also worked. And how does Giroux fit into it all. And IF you acquired Kubalik because he is just a shooter--and now you aren't even playing him.

Meanwhile Chabbot used to be good on the pp. Branny is supposedly an offensive defensman and Sanderson can play on the pp too.

For me. It's about having a good offensive and defensive coordinator. A chess player who can put the pieces where they need to be. Is it Cappuano? Is it Alfie?

I can tell you what it isn't........it isn't working.

He WAS a proven goal scorer.

The issue this year has been a wayward uncertain power play. Kinda like Pittsburgh's troubles. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Are you a point shooting team (you could be Chychrun has an excellent shot) Are you a one timer over there with Norris? (could be that has worked in the past) Is the "b-unit" cycling it over for Tarasenko....could be. Are we playing the bumper game with Brady and Bath ? That has also worked. And how does Giroux fit into it all. And IF you acquired Kubalik because he is just a shooter--and now you aren't even playing him.

Meanwhile Chabbot used to be good on the pp. Branny is supposedly an offensive defensman and Sanderson can play on the pp too.

For me. It's about having a good offensive and defensive coordinator. A chess player who can put the pieces where they need to be. Is it Cappuano? Is it Alfie?

I can tell you what it isn't........it isn't working.
- Octavarium

what i have seen this year from the powerplay is they are trying for the perfect play rather than shooting the puck.

Ok, we're done here. I don't debate with children. Go read the Rangers GM's comments about the trade from news stories that were published at the time. Drury wasn't shy about speaking very well of Mikkola and wanting to add a quality D-man as part of the trade, and several pundits noted that he was quite a bit more than just a throw-in part of the deal. If you don't want to believe that or consider what anyone else might have to say, then knock yourself out.
- khawk

Please don't take stuff personally and get agitated. I am sure everyone here is grateful for your contributions in keeping the thread going. I look forward to your next blog.

He WAS a proven goal scorer.

The issue this year has been a wayward uncertain power play. Kinda like Pittsburgh's troubles. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Are you a point shooting team (you could be Chychrun has an excellent shot) Are you a one timer over there with Norris? (could be that has worked in the past) Is the "b-unit" cycling it over for Tarasenko....could be. Are we playing the bumper game with Brady and Bath ? That has also worked. And how does Giroux fit into it all. And IF you acquired Kubalik because he is just a shooter--and now you aren't even playing him.

Meanwhile Chabbot used to be good on the pp. Branny is supposedly an offensive defensman and Sanderson can play on the pp too.

For me. It's about having a good offensive and defensive coordinator. A chess player who can put the pieces where they need to be. Is it Cappuano? Is it Alfie?

I can tell you what it isn't........it isn't working.
- Octavarium

I think this is a pretty good analysis of the situation. It is worthy of consideration. Maybe there are too many big dogs looking for featured roles on the roster. For example Sens have 3 Dman in Sanderson, Chabot and Chychrun. You can't help but wonder if this is not a case for wondering about addition through subtraction.

We can sign Roy in the off-season and not waste any capital. Highly want the Sens to do that.

Serious Question: what True #1RD aged 24 to 30 could the Sens trade Norris for?

Avoid PLD like the plague. He'd be a second line center on the Sens and cost them 8.5 mill a year
- GrimmdaGoalie

A slightly used Seth Jones?

What could've happened if Sens didn't go on late runs:

2011 - Ottawa drafts Gabriel Landeskog or Jonathan Huberdeau
2015 - Ottawa maybe gets Connor McDavid, but for sure could've drafted Mikko Rantanen instead of Colin White (taking Chabot at 21)

2019 - Sens trade away their pick in the Duchene deal. They could've had Bowem Byran instead of Lassi Thomson. Management got very lucky COL didn't win the lottery being that the Sens were last in the NHL. Should've been Jack Hughes.

2021 - Sens draft Tyler Boucher - was barely considered a 1st round pick but Bob McKenzie, Hockey News, Hockey Scouting, and many others. Many didn't have him in the first round.

Sens need to get a top pick. No point for a run, it's pointless and actually bad for this team in the long run. Shutdown Sanderson, Stutzle, and others. Trade Tarasenko, and others. Bring up Sokolov, Jarventie, Kleven and others

I think it's Chabbot who's going for PLD straight up.
Keeping Chychrun.
I think both the Isles and Leafs kicked the tires on Tarasenko and probably Mathieu Joseph too. Staois seeing what he might want from either club.

Sadly there's nothing available from either of those two teams. Full no trades or no moves on everyone of substance unless you want 4th line scrubs from the isles.


I think if LA wants Chychrun. It's going to cost them Adrian Kempe. And for LA fans balking at that price. Price of doing business. We have our guy on a sweet deal, so do you.
- Octavarium

1000%
I was a big Chabot fan, but move him! Move him NOW