I like both Chabot and Chychrun.

But, in my opinion, Sanderson is now the Sens #1 D and he will continue to grow his game in that role.

It puts in place the possibility of Ottawa having 3 Dmen in the $8m range.

Can an NHL team succeed paying their top 4 Dmen $30m?
- spatso

The more urgent question is - IS Chabot and Chychrun worth that much?

I like both D-men but as 2ND PAIR D-men. Neither demonstrate the defensive awareness and mental fortitude of top pairing D-men. Chabot HAS* demonstrated this in the past, but his NTC kicks in this summer. Trading him would be best if it means a defensive D-men comes back

Quite frankly I think most on this forum undervalue Chabot. But my feeling is that he would be a sought after piece by most teams in the league. I think this is yet another case of Ottawa fans picking their whipping boy and then trying to drive him out of town (Spezza, Ceci, etc. etc.). I actually value Chabot way more then Chychrun. Chychrun just doesn't have that same hockey sense Chabot has. Proper coaching can easily fix what ails Chabot.
- OttawaB

I’m proud to say that I have never really been that fond of Chabot, but I do get that he’s an easy whipping boy of late for the average fan. I think Chabot is an ok 3-4 d-man. The biggest thing that frustrates me with his game is that he looks like he’s stuck in 2nd gear all the time. I don’t know if that is a conditioning strategy under DJ but there are so many plays where he misses defensive and offensive opportunities just because he’s a bit slow.

Perhaps I am undervaluing him across the league. However, his contract will create some roadblocks. You can be high on a guy but not be able to make a deal work out with the cap.

With that said, I have been very disappointed in Chychrun this year. He was so good at stick checking and positing during a back check when he came to Ottawa last season and had a strong offensive flare. Right now, he seems like 3-4 pairing guy and his stick checking and back checking is almost non-existent.

Five players have been told to surrender.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ld-juniors-investigation/

And formenton has taken a leave of absence from his team and is returning to Canada.
- david22

Hopefully this silences the Formenton apologizers that pop up from time to time in here. Think what you want of Dorion, but he knew Formenton was somehow involved and he refused to sign him. Can't say the same for Tom Fitzgerald who would have had the same information in NJ - IMO he should be fired for signing Foote and McLeod in mid 2023, it's a terrible look for their franchise. Treliving and Fletcher get passes as the Dubé and Hart contracts were signed prior to any of these allegations emerging. Big ups to Pierre Dorion for knowing what principles are, and protecting our team's reputation.

Hopefully this silences the Formenton apologizers that pop up from time to time in here. Think what you want of Dorion, but he knew Formenton was somehow involved and he refused to sign him. Can't say the same for Tom Fitzgerald who would have had the same information in NJ - IMO he should be fired for signing Foote and McLeod in mid 2023, it's a terrible look for their franchise. Treliving and Fletcher get passes as the Dubé and Hart contracts were signed prior to any of these allegations emerging. Big ups to Pierre Dorion for knowing what principles are, and protecting our team's reputation.
- Bartacus

Sounds like this was the Melnyk sisters that don’t want Formenton close to the team

Hopefully this silences the Formenton apologizers that pop up from time to time in here. Think what you want of Dorion, but he knew Formenton was somehow involved and he refused to sign him. Can't say the same for Tom Fitzgerald who would have had the same information in NJ - IMO he should be fired for signing Foote and McLeod in mid 2023, it's a terrible look for their franchise. Treliving and Fletcher get passes as the Dubé and Hart contracts were signed prior to any of these allegations emerging. Big ups to Pierre Dorion for knowing what principles are, and protecting our team's reputation.
- Bartacus

So you are one of those Guilty until proven innocent type of guys because "you knew" they were guilty .... based on no evidence presented to you ... just what you read.
I was never a Formenton "apologizer". But I do believe in the whole basis of western civilization ... you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. But social media has tried to erase this premise over time. Because we all know that when something is written it must be true (read in sarcasm here). If these guys are guilty, they will be convicted and will do time of some sort.
I give Dorion no props for not signing him. Not unless we found out that he had prior info from the NHL and the police. The further we move away from Dorion's rule, the more we can realize how much of a boob/idiot he was. Too many bad decisions in running this team. I supported Dorion for a long while, but he made way to many errors over time.

Hopefully this silences the Formenton apologizers that pop up from time to time in here. Think what you want of Dorion, but he knew Formenton was somehow involved and he refused to sign him. Can't say the same for Tom Fitzgerald who would have had the same information in NJ - IMO he should be fired for signing Foote and McLeod in mid 2023, it's a terrible look for their franchise. Treliving and Fletcher get passes as the Dubé and Hart contracts were signed prior to any of these allegations emerging. Big ups to Pierre Dorion for knowing what principles are, and protecting our team's reputation.
- Bartacus

As for Fitzgerald ..... there you go rushing to "guilty" again. Fitzgerald has done a fine job managing the Devils. Why should he be fired when he may not have known any details. He may not be as informed or enlightened as you. Besides .... where is your rage over Montreal signing Mailloux, or the Oilers signing Perry ..... the list goes on.

The more urgent question is - IS Chabot and Chychrun worth that much?

I like both D-men but as 2ND PAIR D-men. Neither demonstrate the defensive awareness and mental fortitude of top pairing D-men. Chabot HAS* demonstrated this in the past, but his NTC kicks in this summer. Trading him would be best if it means a defensive D-men comes back
- AlfieisKing

If you trade Chabot, it has to be for a right D of similar age, skill and contract. Weeger?

Essentially most of us in the Sens thread have known these names since it first came to light years ago. If you didn't, you either glaze over my posts or didn't ask those who knew. I'm not an apologizer. Rep hockey kids are entitled little poops from about the age of 8-9 and it's really gotta be changed at that point. How they behave. What's deemed acceptable. It gets steadily worse. And the way they treat girls other people etc etc.

There's no excusing what they did. But there's a lot to this story including - delicately put - some kind of onus on the victim....to....either speak up right away or not take a "settlement"....twice.....to remain silent. Her life will forever be changed. I'm not condoning any behavior here. But the whole thing is a mess. I don't think there will be jail time. But I think these men are done playing professional hockey in North America. I think the one that bothers me the most is Carter Hart. He's a turd of a human, and a bully. Heck the real reason Cam Talbot left Philly is C.H. If I had to pin the role of "ring leader" on anyone. It would be him. Had he not been under contract I think he would have gotten the Formenton treatment from the get go.

Anyhow. Good test for the boys tonight against Boston. That barn will be rocking. Bruins fans are a plenty.

Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
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Staios says he'd like to add leadership and experience. Plus 200 foot players. Has done a lot of talking #Sens

What do you think this means?

Phil Kessel is about to be a Sen.
LOL

probably not.
But who knows.....

I am a hard no on Dubois. I did like him a few years ago but his stops in Winnipeg and LA have stunk considering the expectations. Additionally, the last thing this team needs is a centre. You currently have Stu, Norris, Greig, Pinto, and Giroux who all have the ability to play centre. Personally, I am starting to like the prospect of Stu, Pinto, and Greig as your top 3 centres. You have Stu with elite skill, Pinto with strong 2-way ability, and Greig as a 2-way pest. I am not sure how Norris fits in going forward let alone taking on Dubois.

In my opinion, Chychrun will have more trade value but I would rather have Chychrun over Chabot going forward. Unfortunately, Chabot’s price is at an all-time low. His play has regressed this year, missed time, and every team knows about the no-trade clause coming into effect by the summer. Moving Chabot likely means you are taking on a bad contract in return, so in that respect, a Dubois might make sense. In the perfect world, you can trade Chabot to Calgary for Weager. This team needs right shot d-men and he would fit the bill and his contract isn’t great but cheaper than Chabot. I am just not sure Chabot’s value is high enough to get a player of that caliber right now which is why I wondered about a Chabot/Anderson deal with Montreal.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I'm not as specifically against Dubois, but I would agree that the team's problem really isn't among the high-$$$ forwards. If you look at the team stats, the Senators are in the top-quarter in terms of scoring GF/GP, despite having by far the worst PP% of any of the top-scoring teams. If their PP% was producing at even just the league-average rate, it would elevate their scoring into the top-5 of the NHL. Meanwhile, both the GA/GP and PK% are in the bottom-5 of the league. It's pretty clear evidence that they've got more than enough offensive-minded players, but need at least one or two more significant players to support the defensive play. I maintain one of those needs to be a top-4 RHD, as well as an established middle-6 winger who knows how to execute the F3 role at a high level.

Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
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Staios says he'd like to add leadership and experience. Plus 200 foot players. Has done a lot of talking #Sens

What do you think this means?
- spatso

It means you are trading Sanderson for Tavares but don't worry we will retain $1 million in salary to make the cap work.

Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
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Staios says he'd like to add leadership and experience. Plus 200 foot players. Has done a lot of talking #Sens

What do you think this means?
- spatso

My guess is a bottom 6 guy that can play both ends.

If only Logan Couture was 3 years younger, I would trade Josh Norris in a heartbeat. Norris is a solid center but his health is a BIG concern to me

Chabbott and Brannstrom to Chicago for Seth Jones (if he would wave) one season's worth retained and a 3rd round pick.

It means you are trading Sanderson for Tavares but don't worry we will retain $1 million in salary to make the cap work.
- Rang

Leafs will likely need toggle up a 1st in order to move Tavares this coming summer.

Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
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Staios says he'd like to add leadership and experience. Plus 200 foot players. Has done a lot of talking #Sens

What do you think this means?
- spatso

Staios has been talking about experience and leadership since the trade rumours first surfaced. He seems less concerned about the RHD situation that I would be, but that could be a major bluff. Plus, it's a relatively daunting task to try to upgrade your top-4D mid-season. The 200-foot player comments likely means a veteran bottom-6 forward... maybe a #4C upgrade over Kastelic/Chartier? I'd put forward some ideas like Alex Kerfoot or Scott Laughton, but I could also see them maybe kicking the tires on someone like Brandon Tanev.

Leafs will likely need toggle up a 1st in order to move Tavares this coming summer.
- spatso

Probably right.
Or he could experience a career ending “injury “

It's unbelievable how much trouble they're having even just gaining the blue line on the PP. So much unnecessary neutral zone passing, followed by an inevitable turnover by whoever actually carries the puck into the zone. They've absolutely got to work on developing a functional dump/chase option, because right now teams are cheating with all four players at the line waiting to disrupt their access to the zone. It's like an NFL team that's trying to run the ball every down... you've got to throw the ball at least once in a while, just to keep the opposing defence honest.

Compare that with BOS scoring 3 seconds into their PP. It really pays to just keep things simple.

OTT should go out in the market pick a guy at random and sign him and he would be a better G that the crap OTT has now....

OTT should go out in the market pick a guy at random and sign him and he would be a better G that the crap OTT has now....
- Mithos

So signing Boom Shak Halak would fix everything? Is there a Mithos guarantee on that? Or are you just being negative for the sake of being negative?

OTT should go out in the market pick a guy at random and sign him and he would be a better G that the crap OTT has now....
- Mithos

Quite frankly, there are no better goalies on the market at this point. Korpisalo has played well since Ottawa started with better team defence. Wish he could be better, but it is what it is. Its not like it is an easy thing to just go out and get that Number One goalie and top 4 right d-man. Those are very rare birds to find. Most teams that have them, want to keep them.

I thought Sens played a great game and Chabot had his best game of the season.

Boston is a really good team. So is Winnipeg. Goaltending matters. I thought Sens outplayed both Bruins and Jets in every phase of game except for the goalie play.

Sens are 4-1-2 since finishing off the disastrous road trip with the melt down against Buffalo. 10 out of a possible 14 points or .714 hockey. That is good.

I don't care about making playoffs other than it being a benchmark for measuring progress of a young team. Sens are still a long way from being a serious Cup contender. But a .714 pace over the balance of the season would give them 92 points. Just a shade short of the 93 points that are likely needed for an invite to the dance.

Jacques Martin is a stickler when it comes to rewarding good play with ice time.

So, it is no surprise that Giroux (22:36), Tkachuk (22:08) and Stuetzle (21:55) led Ottawa forwards in ice time. Same for Sanderson (26:57), Chabot (24:04 and Chychrun (23:03) on the back end.

What did surprise me was Grieg (9:33). His lost ice time was taken up by Pinto (19:40).

Can't complain about Pinto, he is very responsible and is clearly a Jacques Martin 200' player. But, I love the kind of game Grieg plays.

I like Greig too but he's high risk high reward. He's right on the edge with things becoming a penalty. And until that PK gets cleaned up. NO PENALTIES

I like Greig too but he's high risk high reward. He's right on the edge with things becoming a penalty. And until that PK gets cleaned up. NO PENALTIES
- Octavarium

Yes, I thought the same thing.

Some of the chippy stuff is less effective when you weigh 180 lbs.