I like PLD.

I understand he has been a lot of promise without full delivery. But, many insiders still think there is a huge game inside this player. This supposed game has not fully emerged as of yet. He should give you 25 goals a year and, more important, he can shut down the other teams best centre.

Going to LA was a mistake for him and for the Kings. He came into a roster that already has two top shut down centres. It has been a really bad fit.

I believe LA will trade PLD. And, I believe he will realize the potential that so many insiders believe is inside him.

I also know I could be entirely wrong.
- spatso

Does PLD have naked pictures of you or some form of leverage to keep you pumping his tires? LOL

He has been a failure for 3 teams now .... not a good clubhouse guy. He has been part of Columbus, Winnipeg, and now LA when they have all seemingly had dicey off-ice issues with team unity. Ottawa certainly does not need off-ice issues in the clubhouse. They need older vets to come in and add to the leadership, and I don't think PLD is that guy. And our current leadership crew does not have the strength to be able to deal with PLD's personality.

I am not sure why you keep thinking he might be part of the solution here. All I see are warning bells.

Montreal essentially got 2 first round picks in getting Monahan for a year.

The Sens gave up a 7th overall pick for a short guy who barely scored 27g here and left after a year for a washed up 20 goal guy and a very late 1st . F Dorion

Does PLD have naked pictures of you or some form of leverage to keep you pumping his tires? LOL

He has been a failure for 3 teams now .... not a good clubhouse guy. He has been part of Columbus, Winnipeg, and now LA when they have all seemingly had dicey off-ice issues with team unity. Ottawa certainly does not need off-ice issues in the clubhouse. They need older vets to come in and add to the leadership, and I don't think PLD is that guy. And our current leadership crew does not have the strength to be able to deal with PLD's personality.

I am not sure why you keep thinking he might be part of the solution here. All I see are warning bells.
- OttawaB

Yeah, this is a very fair and likely correct analysis. He and Hubredeau in Calgary are overpaid and are top 3 picks that could be had for cheap. I like Norris but not his contract or his health !!

All due respect Spatso, but I havent heard any insider or hockey mind from anywhere say anything good about PLD at all, so I dont know which insiders have been saying he has this magical untapped potential. There has been a buyer beware tag on him since before the trade to the kings. He reminds me of some of the Russian born players from the 90's, all the talent in the world, but only puts in the effort when they feel like it. I'd stay a whole continent away from him. The only insider talk about him is the usual "he wants to play for the habs" rhetoric, which even then I dont believe it would make a difference.
- RyeDog13

Great traders who make mind blowing deals go against the grain. They want to sell high and buy low.

PLD has been a disaster trade for LA. He has an $8.5m 8 year deal that is almost impossible for any team but a few to take on. It would be crazy, most fans think, to take that contract from LA. PLD has been playing on the fourth line with two wingers who have not scored in their last 50 games. A GM would be crazy to take on that contract. Or maybe a mad genius.

Yet, last year Monahan was so bad that Calgary gave up a first just to be able to trade him away to the Canadians and this year Montreal gets a first for Monahan from Winnipeg. Now that is trading that every Habs hater can only marvel about.

What are we going to say, if Hughes now flips some discount assets to LA for PLD?

Whoever makes a deal with LA for PLD will need to have huge testicles.

Maybe it is just too big a leap for Staios at this time. He has not earned any credibility with the base and may not want to risk it all on his first deal.

But, today, Hughes is flush with goodwill. If he steals PLD from LA, the fans of the Canadiens will stand and cheer. If that happens, I hope everyone on this thread will be able to laugh a year from now. Hopefully they will observe how the Sens dodged a bullet and how entirely misguided I was in my belief in PLD.

Great traders who make mind blowing deals go against the grain. They want to sell high and buy low.

PLD has been a disaster trade for LA. He has an $8.5m 8 year deal that is almost impossible for any team but a few to take on. It would be crazy, most fans think, to take that contract from LA. PLD has been playing on the fourth line with two wingers who have not scored in their last 50 games. A GM would be crazy to take on that contract. Or maybe a mad genius.

Yet, last year Monahan was so bad that Calgary gave up a first just to be able to trade him away to the Canadians and this year Montreal gets a first for Monahan from Winnipeg. Now that is trading that every Habs hater can only marvel about.

What are we going to say, if Hughes now flips some discount assets to LA for PLD?

Whoever makes a deal with LA for PLD will need to have huge testicles.

Maybe it is just too big a leap for Staios at this time. He has not earned any credibility with the base and may not want to risk it all on his first deal.

But, today, Hughes is flush with goodwill. If he steals PLD from LA, the fans of the Canadiens will stand and cheer. If that happens, I hope everyone on this thread will be able to laugh a year from now. Hopefully they will observe how the Sens dodged a bullet and how entirely misguided I was in my belief in PLD.
- spatso

massive difference here, monahan was a pending ufa when he was traded to the habs, then signed a 1 year deal, PLD has 7 more years at 8.5M

massive difference here, monahan was a pending ufa when he was traded to the habs, then signed a 1 year deal, PLD has 7 more years at 8.5M
- Mithos

I understand. Your distinction is 100% correct.

But, that is the point. Every risk/reward decision has an up/down probability.

When Vegas dealt for Jack Eichel many said they paid too much, Eichel needed radical surgery, he might never play again and he had not been especially good at producing effective results in Buffalo. But Vegas did the deal, Eichel went on LTIR for the surgery and Vegas would go on to win a Stanley Cup the following year.

Trading for PLD involves high risk for any team that makes the move.

Because it involves high risk the cost should be small.

I think Montreal will do the deal. I think they will be rewarded and some folks (like me) will regret that the Sens never engaged.

Remember PLD has no trade protection right now...it kicks in next year.

massive difference here, monahan was a pending ufa when he was traded to the habs, then signed a 1 year deal, PLD has 7 more years at 8.5M
- Mithos

Doesn't really matter. We can speculate on PLD all day long but the GM that signed him to that deal (and convinced ownership to sign him to that deal) will never immediately trade him...to do so would admit he was wrong to sign him in the first place. And as we have seen with Dorion, GMs are loath to admit mistakes on players they consider to be cornerstones of deals (Kubalik, Brannstrom) or that they signed.

Doesn't really matter. We can speculate on PLD all day long but the GM that signed him to that deal (and convinced ownership to sign him to that deal) will never immediately trade him...to do so would admit he was wrong to sign him in the first place. And as we have seen with Dorion, GMs are loath to admit mistakes on players they consider to be cornerstones of deals (Kubalik, Brannstrom) or that they signed.
- GrimmdaGoalie

You might be right. But, I don't think so. Huge vibes coming out of LA that they want to move PLD before the deadline. Seen some speculation that the Doughty rant last week about "selfish players" was directed towards PLD. PLD now on fourth line playing with two plugs who have not scored in more than 50 games.

Rob Blake could not look worse trading PLD than he looks today in terms of what is happening on the ice. Understand that all this only adds to the story for not wanting to do any kind of deal for PLD. But, I think, Montreal is going to steal him and be strongly rewarded for their patience.

Steve Staios needs to be on the phone to Winnipeg with Keven Shovelpoope asking for the background story. LA gave up a boatload of talent for an asset that has fallen apart. Why?

PLD for Brannstrom and Kubalik. LA retains 50%.

Ottawa kinda gets screwed, but hey, centres are always good to have.

PLD for Brannstrom and Kubalik. LA retains 50%.

Ottawa kinda gets screwed, but hey, centres are always good to have.
- PogBoi

Dude’s been considered a cancer in three locker rooms. Keep him away from Ottawa.

Dude’s been considered a cancer in three locker rooms. Keep him away from Ottawa.
- CooCooKaChoo

Not worth the risk? You can buy him out if he doesn't pan out the next 2 years. 50% salary I would take all day everyday!

Not worth the risk? You can buy him out if he doesn't pan out the next 2 years. 50% salary I would take all day everyday!
- AlfieisKing

Would you do Norris straight up for PLD?

Would you do Norris straight up for PLD?
- spatso

No. I wouldn’t trade a bag of pucks for PLD. The last thing this team needs is someone disrupting the locker room.

I get that you think he could be a good player, but three strikes and you’re out. I don’t see the point in taking the gamble for the best case scenario being he almost lives up to his contract.

The only team that should look at him at all is Montreal.

Would you do Norris straight up for PLD?
- spatso

Good question.

In reality man - Pierre Luc-Dubois - talent, the skill, size, the entire package is there. The problem lies between his two ears. For some reason this guy looses motivation, drive, and compete which is crazy for a guy that made it this far.

There's news coming out now that Winnipeg USA players (MS and CH) stayed there because he was traded. That makes him look MUCH worse.

Assuming both players are healthy then I don't think you think about trading Norris - I'd look at other options. The problem I have with Norris and Chabot is the same one that lead to Colin White's contract - sample size. Then it's health. Giving a long term deal for 1 early career year is so dangerous. Norris is a bigger concern for me than Chabot because that shoulder makes him easy to knock off pucks and he can reaggravate the injury multiple times.

So short answer I don't trade unless the cap hit is 75% or less (under 6.4 cap hit), then I really would be looking to pull the trigger with the upside. Also I would through Dubois on a line with Giroux and Tkachuk and make him develop defensively under Alfie and Jacques. There he has 4 people around him that won't let him slack, and 2 of which that can speak in French.

It also depends what the market is for a guy like Norris. Norris is likely a 24-30 goal scorer that should be able to play excellent 200 foot hockey (especially at that price). Do you think he'll do that the next 4-5 years consistently?

No. I wouldn’t trade a bag of pucks for PLD. The last thing this team needs is someone disrupting the locker room.

I get that you think he could be a good player, but three strikes and you’re out. I don’t see the point in taking the gamble for the best case scenario being he almost lives up to his contract.

The only team that should look at him at all is Montreal.
- CooCooKaChoo

Jacques Martin, Claude Giroux.....get Huberdeau from Calgary and get the French connection going. Maybe light a fire under this guy's ventre

Good question.

In reality man - Pierre Luc-Dubois - talent, the skill, size, the entire package is there. The problem lies between his two ears. For some reason this guy looses motivation, drive, and compete which is crazy for a guy that made it this far.

There's news coming out now that Winnipeg USA players (MS and CH) stayed there because he was traded. That makes him look MUCH worse.

Assuming both players are healthy then I don't think you think about trading Norris - I'd look at other options. The problem I have with Norris and Chabot is the same one that lead to Colin White's contract - sample size. Then it's health. Giving a long term deal for 1 early career year is so dangerous. Norris is a bigger concern for me than Chabot because that shoulder makes him easy to knock off pucks and he can reaggravate the injury multiple times.

So short answer I don't trade unless the cap hit is 75% or less (under 6.4 cap hit), then I really would be looking to pull the trigger with the upside. Also I would through Dubois on a line with Giroux and Tkachuk and make him develop defensively under Alfie and Jacques. There he has 4 people around him that won't let him slack, and 2 of which that can speak in French.

It also depends what the market is for a guy like Norris. Norris is likely a 24-30 goal scorer that should be able to play excellent 200 foot hockey (especially at that price). Do you think he'll do that the next 4-5 years consistently?
- AlfieisKing

A+

Jacques Martin, Claude Giroux.....get Huberdeau from Calgary and get the French connection going. Maybe light a fire under this guy's ventre
- AlfieisKing

Now we’re talking about brining Huberdeau in? Is the plan to get every bad contract and keep the one that works out?

A+
- spatso

Thanks

I meant UFA* not USA players lol

Now we’re talking about brining Huberdeau in? Is the plan to get every bad contract and keep the one that works out?
- CooCooKaChoo

Right on! Now you got it

Now we’re talking about brining Huberdeau in? Is the plan to get every bad contract and keep the one that works out?
- CooCooKaChoo

I was being a little facetious but still .... Sens need a good 2nd wave of support behind Stutzle, Tkachuk, and Sanderson. I would argue the third liners and depth players are looking REALLY good (Grieg, Pinto, Joseph, Zub, Kleven)

Hey sens fans, had a quick question..

Tarasenko. Whats the odds he waives and or traded? 50-50? Higher, lower? Really hope to get him back on the NYR

I know when he left for Ottawa it sounded like he wanted to stay so I think there’s a good chance we could get him if that was the case.

Just curious, thanks!

There is always the Greater Fool Theory. There is always some team or GM that thinks despite other teams not being able to fix a player .... that maybe they have the secret sauce that can turn that player around.

As the saying goes .... sometimes you jus are who you are.

I would much rather have Norris then PLD. Lots of you think Norris is injury prone. Really? Why? He missed a season with shoulder injury, but he is fine now. Now he just needs to make up the time and training and experience he missed from last season. It often takes a full season to get over that kind of shoulder injury.

So ... is Crosby injury prone? Eichel? Mario Lemieux? What about Eric Karlsson ? Lots of players miss major time. I willing to see how he is next season once he has had a full offseason to strengthen the area.

Hey sens fans, had a quick question..

Tarasenko. Whats the odds he waives and or traded? 50-50? Higher, lower? Really hope to get him back on the NYR

I know when he left for Ottawa it sounded like he wanted to stay so I think there’s a good chance we could get him if that was the case.

Just curious, thanks!
- Slimtj100

I think he WILL waive if asked - but I'm not sure what the trade would be with the Rangers. I get the feeling he will either resign a 2-3 deal OR will be traded else where.

Hey sens fans, had a quick question..

Tarasenko. Whats the odds he waives and or traded? 50-50? Higher, lower? Really hope to get him back on the NYR

I know when he left for Ottawa it sounded like he wanted to stay so I think there’s a good chance we could get him if that was the case.

Just curious, thanks!
- Slimtj100

Don’t think he waived. Apparently his kids play hockey and they like playing competitive hockey in Ottawa. The rumor is Tarasenko family really likes Ottawa. Will see at the deadline. What will be the offer from Rangers

Don’t think he waived. Apparently his kids play hockey and they like playing competitive hockey in Ottawa. The rumor is Tarasenko family really likes Ottawa. Will see at the deadline. What will be the offer from Rangers
- Crosside

Well if you take the Blues trade last year as a reference point…we gave up

-conditional first (wasn’t met so it was a second)

-4th rder

-C prospect (Hunter Skinner)

He was only 50% on our cap too. We also got a rental D in the trade (Mikkola)

So I’m not sure it would be any more than that being a year later/older. Could be different if he needs some convincing (if he enjoys Ottawa), I believe he specifically picked the NYR last year too so that kept StL leverage down.

So I’d say the same picks (and conditions) and a handful of prospects they could pick from would be the trade. We have both a first and second to do the conditional part of the trade

Should be one to watch imo, I’ve been pretty much saying he’ll definitely be a Ranger again. But maybe not if he wants to stay in Ottawa, family means more sometimes