Don’t think he waived. Apparently his kids play hockey and they like playing competitive hockey in Ottawa. The rumor is Tarasenko family really likes Ottawa. Will see at the deadline. What will be the offer from Rangers
- Crosside

Well there you go!

Put emotions aside, trading Giroux and Tarasenko would get Ottawa at least 2 additional 1st round picks back this draft. That would be awesome.

Well if you take the Blues trade last year as a reference point…we gave up

-conditional first (wasn’t met so it was a second)

-4th rder

-C prospect (Hunter Skinner)

He was only 50% on our cap too. We also got a rental D in the trade (Mikkola)

So I’m not sure it would be any more than that being a year later/older. Could be different if he needs some convincing (if he enjoys Ottawa), I believe he specifically picked the NYR last year too so that kept StL leverage down.

So I’d say the same picks (and conditions) and a handful of prospects they could pick from would be the trade. We have both a first and second to do the conditional part of the trade

Should be one to watch imo, I’ve been pretty much saying he’ll definitely be a Ranger again. But maybe not if he wants to stay in Ottawa, family means more sometimes
- Slimtj100

NYR paid the blues DAL 1st

**Conditions: The 2023 1st round pick will be the later of the NYR 2023 1st and the DAL 2023 1st

Result: St. Louis will receive Stars 2023 1st round pick

NYR paid the blues DAL 1st

**Conditions: The 2023 1st round pick will be the later of the NYR 2023 1st and the DAL 2023 1st

Result: St. Louis will receive Stars 2023 1st round pick
- Mithos

Theo Lindstein - D-man with 8 points in the WJC this year. Good prospect.

Sens are verry thin on prospects. But I have 0 confidence in their drafting. I'd rather use the first rounder picks for something useful !

NYR paid the blues DAL 1st

**Conditions: The 2023 1st round pick will be the later of the NYR 2023 1st and the DAL 2023 1st

Result: St. Louis will receive Stars 2023 1st round pick
- Mithos

Yes you’re right. I had a brain fart lol I totally forgot they had two firsts last year. They also gave up Sammy Blais in the trade. But they did get a rental D so I don’t think they’d give up a guaranteed first this year unless they got another piece (which is possible)

You’re looking at a conditional second (ECF appearance or something like that), a 4th (for retention) and maybe you could squeeze Berard out of Drury. He’s one of our better B prospects

Well there you go!

Put emotions aside, trading Giroux and Tarasenko would get Ottawa at least 2 additional 1st round picks back this draft. That would be awesome.
- AlfieisKing

Staois said he wants more vets and you want to trade our best vet. Who cares about first pick. Late first rarely develops in a nhl player

I would trade ours two first for established players I would try to trade for Jiricek. He’s better than all the rd in the top ten this year and come with two years of development

Yes you’re right. I had a brain fart lol I totally forgot they had two firsts last year. They also gave up Sammy Blais in the trade. But they did get a rental D so I don’t think they’d give up a guaranteed first this year unless they got another piece (which is possible)

You’re looking at a conditional second (ECF appearance or something like that), a 4th (for retention) and maybe you could squeeze Berard out of Drury. He’s one of our better B prospects
- Slimtj100

I don't think Ottawa would move Tarasenko if he signals any kind of interest in resigning with the Sens. Most important, Tarasenko got burned by the Rangers last year when they failed to step up and offer him an extension. They left him out in the cold with very few option. At the same time, Rangers screwed over St. Louis by not even attempting a deal and therefore nullifying the 1st the Blues had expected.

Tarasenko has a complete "no trade" lock. It means he goes nowhere without his approval and we know that means it involves a longer term deal being offered as part of any trade deal. No chance he trusts the Rangers after last year.

I'm not so sure Ottawa trades Tarasenko. If they know he will re-sign for a couple of years at their target salary then I think he stays.

As for Giroux, I would be utterly shocked if the Sens traded him. He is precisely what they are looking for in players now to sprinkle into their young core.

As for "not trusting" the Sens drafting. Please pass around whatever you are smoking. Again .... must it be reiterated .,... this is a different crew then the previous regime doing the evaluation and drafting. Its not like the Sens use the same guys every year to figure out the drafting. .... and how about picks like Brady, Chabot, Pinto, Klevin, Greig, Batherson ........... not often that teams are able to draft so many of their own talent to play on the team. I even point to later picks .... Jarventie, Crookshank, Ostapchuk, Halliday, Guenette .... still very young with a lot of runway to make the Sens big team.

I don't think Ottawa would move Tarasenko if he signals any kind of interest in resigning with the Sens. Most important, Tarasenko got burned by the Rangers last year when they failed to step up and offer him an extension. They left him out in the cold with very few option. At the same time, Rangers screwed over St. Louis by not even attempting a deal and therefore nullifying the 1st the Blues had expected.

Tarasenko has a complete "no trade" lock. It means he goes nowhere without his approval and we know that means it involves a longer term deal being offered as part of any trade deal. No chance he trusts the Rangers after last year.
- spatso

I don’t think he left the rangers on bad terms at all, not sure where you’re getting that from. I think they would’ve kept him but they couldn’t give anything more than a million bucks at that time, they mutually wanted each other but the numbers got in the way. I firmly believe he would take another crack with us if it’s possible

I don’t think he left the rangers on bad terms at all, not sure where you’re getting that from. I think they would’ve kept him but they couldn’t give anything more than a million bucks at that time, they mutually wanted each other but the numbers got in the way. I firmly believe he would take another crack with us if it’s possible
- Slimtj100

You misunderstand. It is not if Tarasenko is willing to go to the Rangers. It is about the Rangers coughing up a contract for subsequent years. If Rangers don't offer him a longer term deal, he will not waive his no move clause. He wants a long term deal. Rangers scammed both Tarasenko and the Bues once already. It will not happen again. It will require a first for the Sens and a long term deal for Tarasenko. I don't think the Rangers can do either end of that deal.

You misunderstand. It is not if Tarasenko is willing to go to the Rangers. It is about the Rangers coughing up a contract for subsequent years. If Rangers don't offer him a longer term deal, he will not waive his no move clause. He wants a long term deal. Rangers scammed both Tarasenko and the Bues once already. It will not happen again. It will require a first for the Sens and a long term deal for Tarasenko. I don't think the Rangers can do either end of that deal.
- spatso

They didn’t scam anyone what are you talking about? I think they would extend him now. They couldn’t do it this year because of the cap. Why didn’t Ottawa give him term? What difference does it make, he could be pissed at them too lol

I believe it was public knowledge that he wanted to stay but they couldn’t give him money but we could on term, so we had no chance in the end. Next year we can pay him more. Cap lift and Goodrow buyout is like 8 million to play with

They didn’t scam anyone what are you talking about? I think they would extend him now. They couldn’t do it this year because of the cap. Why didn’t Ottawa give him term? What difference does it make, he could be pissed at them too lol

I believe it was public knowledge that he wanted to stay but the Rangers couldn’t give him money but we could on term, so we had no chance in the end. Next year we can pay him more. Cap lift and Goodrow buyout is like 8 million to play with
- Slimtj100

I don't disagree with anything you are saying. But, nobody (Tarasenko or Sens) will believe the Rangers on a trade offer conditional on Tarasenko signing a long term deal.

Most believe Sens are ready to offer Tarasenko a long term contract. He and his family are happy in Ottawa. Rangers will need to make an offer that is better than the failed promises of last year. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. The problem is not the Sens. If the offer is good enough, they should take it.

Multiple playoff contenders would improve with the addition of Tarasenko.

Some good discussion lately. I am not one to jump at bringing in PLD. His track record speaks for itself, and teams seem eager to get rid of him. However, he is only 25 and I think pretty much every player can become a solid NHLer in the right environment. How many people wrote off Evander Kane before he became a reasonable contributor and teammate in Edmonton? My issue is that I am not sure Ottawa has the environment to help a player like that right now. The team lacks identity, have serious questions marks in coaching, and Ottawa isn’t exactly a place that players rank high on a desirability list.

The trade for PLD for Norris, straight up is quite interesting and the exact kind of deal we could see in the coming months. You are not moving Norris without taking a contract back and it is likely that contract would be as questionable as the contract Norris has. Would I make that 1 for 1 swap? I am not sure. However, it is much more tempting than trying to acquire PLD to somehow insert into this lineup without moving another legitimate contract/player out. I am not sold on Norris in general.

As for Tarasenko, I think the best thing to do it try to move him for assets at the deadline. It’s not really clear how he would fit in on this team cap wise next year. Pinto is going to require a legitimate contract and there are lots of roster issues that will need addressing. Sean Monahan just netted a 1st rounder and has virtually the same stats as Tarasenko but not the track record that Tarasenko would bring. Would be nice to asset to nab considering the Sens will have to sacrifice a 1st rounder due to the Dadanov trade.

Some good discussion lately. I am not one to jump at bringing in PLD. His track record speaks for itself, and teams seem eager to get rid of him. However, he is only 25 and I think pretty much every player can become a solid NHLer in the right environment. How many people wrote off Evander Kane before he became a reasonable contributor and teammate in Edmonton? My issue is that I am not sure Ottawa has the environment to help a player like that right now. The team lacks identity, have serious questions marks in coaching, and Ottawa isn’t exactly a place that players rank high on a desirability list.

The trade for PLD for Norris, straight up is quite interesting and the exact kind of deal we could see in the coming months. You are not moving Norris without taking a contract back and it is likely that contract would be as questionable as the contract Norris has. Would I make that 1 for 1 swap? I am not sure. However, it is much more tempting than trying to acquire PLD to somehow insert into this lineup without moving another legitimate contract/player out. I am not sold on Norris in general.

As for Tarasenko, I think the best thing to do it try to move him for assets at the deadline. It’s not really clear how he would fit in on this team cap wise next year. Pinto is going to require a legitimate contract and there are lots of roster issues that will need addressing. Sean Monahan just netted a 1st rounder and has virtually the same stats as Tarasenko but not the track record that Tarasenko would bring. Would be nice to asset to nab considering the Sens will have to sacrifice a 1st rounder due to the Dadanov trade.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Why does Ottawa keep coming up as a possible destination for PLD.

Why does Ottawa keep coming up as a possible destination for PLD.
- spatso

Has it come up as a destination since Dorion’s departure? Dorion seemed to dip his toes in every centre available via trade or free agency it seems. Obviously, you have the francophone thing in Ottawa, but I think most of the recent ‘rumours’ are just you posting on these boards. Like I said, a bad contract for a bad contract swap is intriguing. PLD make a little more, so you might have to massage some money here and there but to me that has more merit than simply trying to add PLD.

It would be an interesting deal. Bit of a gamble given PLD’s rep but you’re also gambling on Norris getting back to form that earned him that contract. Would love to see this kind of hockey trade.

Has it come up as a destination since Dorion’s departure? Dorion seemed to dip his toes in every centre available via trade or free agency it seems. Obviously, you have the francophone thing in Ottawa, but I think most of the recent ‘rumours’ are just you posting on these boards. Like I said, a bad contract for a bad contract swap is intriguing. PLD make a little more, so you might have to massage some money here and there but to me that has more merit than simply trying to add PLD.

It would be an interesting deal. Bit of a gamble given PLD’s rep but you’re also gambling on Norris getting back to form that earned him that contract. Would love to see this kind of hockey trade.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Damn, I hope not. The difference between the 2 is night and day.

Norris .... still recovering from missing the year due to shoulder surgery. It will take a full season to fully recover. There will be that little voice in the back of your head telling you to avoid certain situations. It takes a year, just like other injuries (it also took Batherson a season to fully recoup from that nasty high ankle sprain). So as Norris improves and gains confidence and gains the missing experience of a season of training/improvement (for younger guys, missing a season is important to recoupe in their development).

PLD ..... what is his under-performance excuse? Bad attitude? No attitude? No give a poop on the poop meter? He is just bad and on top of that does not seem to have any allies in the dressing room. Bad attitude, not much of a work ethic. A cancer on his teams. Why do you want this guy ....... is it solely because he seems to have the talent? He seems to have the individual tools to play this game at an elite level, but he doesn't have the overall tool kit to put it all together. For $8.5 million per year for 7 more years, you need more then just "hope".

Damn, I hope not. The difference between the 2 is night and day.

Norris .... still recovering from missing the year due to shoulder surgery. It will take a full season to fully recover. There will be that little voice in the back of your head telling you to avoid certain situations. It takes a year, just like other injuries (it also took Batherson a season to fully recoup from that nasty high ankle sprain). So as Norris improves and gains confidence and gains the missing experience of a season of training/improvement (for younger guys, missing a season is important to recoupe in their development).

PLD ..... what is his under-performance excuse? Bad attitude? No attitude? No give a poop on the poop meter? He is just bad and on top of that does not seem to have any allies in the dressing room. Bad attitude, not much of a work ethic. A cancer on his teams. Why do you want this guy ....... is it solely because he seems to have the talent? He seems to have the individual tools to play this game at an elite level, but he doesn't have the overall tool kit to put it all together. For $8.5 million per year for 7 more years, you need more then just "hope".
- OttawaB

I have no clue why anyone in a smaller market would want PLD on their team when all he has proven so far is having no appetite playing in them from Columbus to Winnipeg till he got to LA where he wants and they regret getting him. If Ottawa got PLD I don't think it would take long for both sides to to be unhappy with each other

Alex Formenton just turned 17 years old in Sept 0217, when he arrived in London Ontario to join the knights. 9 months later he's drafted in the 2nd round by Ottawa. 1 year after that, he is 18 years and 9 months old when the horrible incident happened.

I don't know the full details, and if he should receive whatever he deserves - but if he is innocent / given a lesser sentence - would you welcome this guy back in a Sens uniform? He is 24 until September. Last time he was in the NHL (21-22) he scored almost 20 goals - led the NHL with Trevor Moore with 5 short handed goals. Or even if he is acquitted, you never accept him back?

Alex Formenton just turned 17 years old in Sept 0217, when he arrived in London Ontario to join the knights. 9 months later he's drafted in the 2nd round by Ottawa. 1 year after that, he is 18 years and 9 months old when the horrible incident happened.

I don't know the full details, and if he should receive whatever he deserves - but if he is innocent / given a lesser sentence - would you welcome this guy back in a Sens uniform? He is 24 until September. Last time he was in the NHL (21-22) he scored almost 20 goals - led the NHL with Trevor Moore with 5 short handed goals. Or even if he is acquitted, you never accept him back?
- AlfieisKing

even if found not guilty, which is highly unlikely because this is a political prosecution and not a criminal one, those 5 players career are over, no team will touch them with a 100 foot pole.

So. Interesting. Sens approve LA hiring DJ as an assistant coach.

Is this the first step in a huge trade coming between the Kings and Sens? Or, is this just an isolated event with LA is looking for a coach who has a strong reputation as a "players coach?" Kings supposedly have a deeply divided dressing room. Smith should help.

Who would be involved if there is a big deal coming between LA and Ottawa? LA supposedly covets Chychrun.

So. Interesting. Sens approve LA hiring DJ as an assistant coach.

Is this the first step in a huge trade coming between the Kings and Sens? Or, is this just an isolated event with LA is looking for a coach who has a strong reputation as a "players coach?" Kings supposedly have a deeply divided dressing room. Smith should help.

Who would be involved if there is a big deal coming between LA and Ottawa? LA supposedly covets Chychrun.
- spatso

The Sens have shown no interest in PLD, nor should they. A team releasing a coach so they don’t have to pay him is not a sign of trade talk. Please stop with the PLD stuff.

Trying to construct any kind of deal between the Sens and Kings is really challenging.

Capfreindly tells us LA has $1,941 dollars available. Sens are not much better with $12,836 in space. Also, LA has Viktor Arveddsen about to come off his LTIR ($4M+).

So any deal needs to be dollar equivalent. Any picks or prospects included would be for purpose of balancing the talent/risk exchange.

If, for example, Sens sent Norris + Chychrun to LA, the cap transfer would be $12,550,000. If the Kings sent back PLD + Matt Roy + Brandt Clarke the return cap would be $12,513,000. Note: Clarke is a minor league salary so LA would need to do a few more minor adjustments on cap.

I also wonder about another option involving the Kings looking at trying to send Ottawa Cam Talbot in some kind of deal involving Korpisalo?

The Sens have shown no interest in PLD, nor should they. A team releasing a coach so they don’t have to pay him is not a sign of trade talk. Please stop with the PLD stuff.
- CooCooKaChoo

I wasn't thinking about why the Sens would release DJ to LA. The reason is obvious. My thoughts were more in the direction of why LA would want to hire him. There are many NHL coaches riding the bench right now and many would have jumped at the chance for an LA placement.

Not sure why folks are so opposed to considering the merits of a possible PLD deal. We have it from multiple sources that LA has gone entirely sour on PLD and vice versa. They are trying to move him. We also hear that LA has a huge interest in Chychrun.

If you read the smoke LA seeking Chychrun and pushing PLD the other way is a conversation that should not be ignored...even if you think it is a horrible outcome.

Damn, I hope not. The difference between the 2 is night and day.

Norris .... still recovering from missing the year due to shoulder surgery. It will take a full season to fully recover. There will be that little voice in the back of your head telling you to avoid certain situations. It takes a year, just like other injuries (it also took Batherson a season to fully recoup from that nasty high ankle sprain). So as Norris improves and gains confidence and gains the missing experience of a season of training/improvement (for younger guys, missing a season is important to recoupe in their development).

PLD ..... what is his under-performance excuse? Bad attitude? No attitude? No give a poop on the poop meter? He is just bad and on top of that does not seem to have any allies in the dressing room. Bad attitude, not much of a work ethic. A cancer on his teams. Why do you want this guy ....... is it solely because he seems to have the talent? He seems to have the individual tools to play this game at an elite level, but he doesn't have the overall tool kit to put it all together. For $8.5 million per year for 7 more years, you need more then just "hope".
- OttawaB

I’m not actively advocating bringing PLD into the fold. His track record speaks for itself and if it didn’t work in Winnipeg, I don’t have huge hopes for Ottawa. Even the Kings are in a similar rebuild/retool situation which he doesn’t seem to fit into.

With that said, I am advocating that people need to realize some significant change is likely to come and you will need to take contracts into account. Norris’s contract is not small. A move like a Norris and PLD swap is something along the lines that is intriguing to consider. There are lots of variables to consider. Ottawa moving a guy like Norris, Chabot, or even Chychrun will require some cap navigation that might mean the player(s) being brought in are not necessarily ideal but work out for the cap for each team.

I wasn't thinking about why the Sens would release DJ to LA. The reason is obvious. My thoughts were more in the direction of why LA would want to hire him. There are many NHL coaches riding the bench right now and many would have jumped at the chance for an LA placement.

Not sure why folks are so opposed to considering the merits of a possible PLD deal. We have it from multiple sources that LA has gone entirely sour on PLD and vice versa. They are trying to move him. We also hear that LA has a huge interest in Chychrun.

If you read the smoke LA seeking Chychrun and pushing PLD the other way is a conversation that should not be ignored...even if you think it is a horrible outcome.
- spatso

Probably Roy ( extended ) and a second rnd pick

The new head coach of LA is friend with DJ and Blake have playing with DJ in the past. DJ at assistant he is at his place

Staois was at the Leafs vs Isles last night. Who you think, he target

Probably Roy ( extended ) and a second rnd pick

The new head coach of LA is friend with DJ and Blake have playing with DJ in the past. DJ at assistant he is at his place

Staois was at the Leafs vs Isles last night. Who you think, he target
- Crosside

Both Leafs and Islanders reported to have an interest in Tarasenko.

Would Tarasenko have an interest in either team unless they can offer him a longer term deal.

Not a lot of games last night and everyone coming off All Star Weekend. I am sure there were lots of guys staying over. Who else was at last night's game?