Quote from the coach just the other day, “There’s going to be some people upset come deadline when we have to make some moves here bc of where we’re at in the process…We’re talking about where guys fit age wise/contracts…u can’t fall in love bc if u do it’s gonna set u back.”

Sounds like a seller not a buyer to me
- Dkos

Players like Seeler and walker should be ok being traded, this was a year they increased their value going into FA, their last big contract, you hope it is a team they can sign with

Being a buyer at the deadline is trading for pieces to make a run, trading for a young player that is signed long term is a hockey trade. Everyone knows this, you just will argue a totally irrelevant technical point, like it’s still buying. This is classic MJL douchery that people can’t stand on here. If this trade is made in the off season, is it buying or a hockey trade?
- ClaudeFather

So if the Flyers remain in 2nd place in the Metro, they wouldn't be trading for Norris to make a run? A move can have duality, which you can't seem to grasp. In my context, whether they do it at the deadline, or in the off season. It's still buying. It's still trying to rush the process. It's still trying to BUY their way there. I know that simple concepts are difficult for you. Only you are arguing an irrelevant technical point. Not me! My argument is exactly as I said in my previous post. I want the Flyers to stop trying to rush the process. Focus on drafting and developing as the primary method of team building. Stop trying to wheel and deal as has been their MO. This organization needs to change it's mind set. Change how it operates. Their methods have not been successful for over a decade plus. That is my argument that you can't grasp. All the juvenile name calling on your part to try and cover for your compete lack of insight, is what is actually irrelevant.

I strongly disagree with you here! If you could move Risto and Laughts, and get a 24 year old center with a good bit of upside in return you do it every time. Now I know why you liked Hextall so much.
- Phillywhiteout

Not for a player like Norris with his injury history. Otherwise without it, it's another trade that is to good to be true. What could go wrong. Ask yourself why would Ottawa make that deal?

So if the Flyers remain in 2nd place in the Metro, they wouldn't be trading for Norris to make a run? A move can have duality, which you can't seem to grasp. In my context, whether they do it at the deadline, or in the off season. It's still buying. It's still trying to rush the process. It's still trying to BUY their way there. I know that simple concepts are difficult for you. Only you are arguing an irrelevant technical point. Not me! My argument is exactly as I said in my previous post. I want the Flyers to stop trying to rush the process. Focus on drafting and developing as the primary method of team building. Stop trying to wheel and deal as has been their MO. This organization needs to change it's mind set. Change how it operates. Their methods have not been successful for over a decade plus. That is my argument that you can't grasp. All the juvenile name calling on your part to try and cover for your compete lack of insight, is what is actually irrelevant.
- MJL

Now it has duality 😂 the goal posts have been moved and you’re covering your tracks. Moving our old players in Risto and Laughton for a young center, which is a position of need for the team is a hockey trade, end of story. And again, not for the trade but this is not being a buyer, this is trading for the future that obviously helps in the short term as well.

I saw that. The same coach has in the past said that they're not going to put rebuilding ahead of winning. We'll see what happens. See what they actually do if March comes and they're still in the playoff hunt.
- MJL

Ok, he’s lived up to the winning part so far

Trading for luke Schenn would be a buyer, trading for a young center signed for 6 additional seasons is a hockey trade

Not for a player like Norris with his injury history. Otherwise without it, it's another trade that is to good to be true. What could go wrong. Ask yourself why would Ottawa make that deal?
- MJL

To be honest, I don't think they would make that deal cause to me it doesn't make sense for them. I'm just saying that if Ottawa was willing to make that deal I do it every time. Getting Risto and Laughts off the books, and getting something that this team badly needs in return should be a no brainer. Although admittedly the injury history is concerning as it is with Drysdale, but sometimes ya just gotta roll the dice.

Now it has duality 😂 the goal posts have been moved and you’re covering your tracks. Moving our old players in Risto and Laughton for a young center, which is a position of need for the team is a hockey trade, end of story. And again, not for the trade but this is not being a buyer, this is trading for the future that obviously helps in the short term as well.
- ClaudeFather

Nothing has been moved and nothing has been changed. What you're giving up doesn't change that it's still buying. It's still trading for instead of what I want them to focus on. It's still risk taking. It is absolutely being a buyer. Whether it's for the future, or just for now, or both. I want the Flyers to stop doing that. It doesn't work.

It’s a trade for the team going forward, it’s not a rental. Now you’re just trying to wrap your head around a technicality. One of you’re favorite , hyperbole
- ClaudeFather

Im iffy for even thinking about Norris because he is an injury prone player who has a very high cap hit for a long time. If he was "65-70 games a year" healthy moving forward it could turn out to be a great deal. I just don't know if that is the route the Flyers should be going down based on current information.

To be honest, I don't think they would make that deal cause to me it doesn't make sense for them. I'm just saying that if Ottawa was willing to make that deal I do it every time. Getting Risto and Laughts off the books, and getting something that this team badly needs in return should be a no brainer. Although admittedly the injury history is concerning as it is with Drysdale, but sometimes ya just gotta roll the dice.
- Phillywhiteout

It's not a no brainer with Norris injury history. You and I both know that if Ottawa was willing to make that trade, that would be the reason why. Just roll the dice. What could happen? Nothing bad right?

Im iffy for even thinking about Norris because he is an injury prone player who has a very high cap hit for a long time. If he was "65-70 games a year" healthy moving forward it could turn out to be a great deal. I just don't know if that is the route the Flyers should be going down based on current information.
- MBFlyerfan

I have no interest in Norris, the discussion was about the premise of trading for a young center signed long term

It's not a no brainer with Norris injury history. You and I both know that if Ottawa was willing to make that trade, that would be the reason why. Just roll the dice. What could happen? Nothing bad right?
- MJL

Whenever you take risks in life something bad can happen. It's part of life. I guess that's why you liked Hextall and I didn't. I thought he was too conservative and that's what you like. I'm not saying it's wrong either way, but I guess we are just different that way. I want to see the Flyers continue the rebuild and not think all that glitters is gold. They need to stay the course, but the chance to get a young center and get two veterans off the books would not hurt the rebuilding process IMO. Yes, the injury history is a risk...no doubt about it.

To be honest, I don't think they would make that deal cause to me it doesn't make sense for them. I'm just saying that if Ottawa was willing to make that deal I do it every time. Getting Risto and Laughts off the books, and getting something that this team badly needs in return should be a no brainer. Although admittedly the injury history is concerning as it is with Drysdale, but sometimes ya just gotta roll the dice.
- Phillywhiteout

Where I will disagree is the part about rolling the dice. I don't think this team should see itself in that mindset. The guy is shaping up to look like he will have chronic shoulder issues. at 7.9 aav that is a LOT of dice IMO.

Where I will disagree is the part about rolling the dice. I don't think this team should see itself in that mindset. The guy is shaping up to look like he will have chronic shoulder issues. at 7.9 aav that is a LOT of dice IMO.
- MBFlyerfan

I can't argue with that point and with the Flyers luck with injuries it is probably a valid point. I actually didn't realize his AAV was that high. I would just be very happy to move Laughts and Risto at this point, so perhaps I'm jumping the gun here.

I have no interest in Norris, the discussion was about the premise of trading for a young center signed long term
- ClaudeFather

I get that part, and I agree. There are different degrees of "buyers". Trading for a veteran is somewhat different than making a hockey trade youth for youth (or vets for youth). Yes, technically you are "buying", but then it just becomes a silly semantic argument that gives no credence to the spirit of the trade.

I get that part, and I agree. There are different degrees of "buyers". Trading for a veteran is somewhat different than making a hockey trade youth for youth. Yes, technically you are "buying", but then it just becomes a silly semantic argument that gives no credence to the spirit of the trade.
- MBFlyerfan

exactly

I can't argue with that point and with the Flyers luck with injuries it is probably a valid point. I actually didn't realize his AAV was that high. I would just be very happy to move Laughts and Risto at this point, so perhaps I'm jumping the gun here.
- Phillywhiteout

Yeah, believe me, when I saw his cap hit (actually 7.95aav) I was like, they gave THAT guy that cap hit for how long? No wonder they are in the shape they are in. Part of me thinks they framed Pinto for gambling just so they could make cap (I keed)


Something stinks about him being shopped (or even the rumors), I have Ryan Ellis vibes.

What exactly is the current mindset, everyone on here is saying to trade Walker and Seeler, there hasn’t been a single mention of being buyers at the deadline.
- ClaudeFather

Nor should there be.

Quote from the coach just the other day, “There’s going to be some people upset come deadline when we have to make some moves here bc of where we’re at in the process…We’re talking about where guys fit age wise/contracts…u can’t fall in love bc if u do it’s gonna set u back.”

Sounds like a seller not a buyer to me
- Dkos

That is why I said this:

I just hope DB, KJ and Torts are true to their word, and that bodies are moving out for future assets.
- TheFreak

Whenever you take risks in life something bad can happen. It's part of life. I guess that's why you liked Hextall and I didn't. I thought he was too conservative and that's what you like. I'm not saying it's wrong either way, but I guess we are just different that way. I want to see the Flyers continue the rebuild and not think all that glitters is gold. They need to stay the course, but the chance to get a young center and get two veterans off the books would not hurt the rebuilding process IMO. Yes, the injury history is a risk...no doubt about it.
- Phillywhiteout

Again, you have read me wrong, just as you did last night and you do that repeatedly. I'm not at all against risk or against going for it. It's about timing. Now is not the time for this team to take risks. It is already looking at 10M in dead cap space for next season, Ellis already in perpetual injury status. Maybe at some point they can move him. When and if the Flyers get to the point where they have built a perennial contender, then I absolutely want them to be aggressive. To take some risks to win it all. I don't want them to take risks and try and "buy" their way to contender status. That has got disaster written all over it. Understand that nuance.

Trading out players that may not be seen as part of the future is not necessarily pushing the process of team building ahead of any perceived schedule.
If you’re trading for a player that will help in the short and long term that may very well be part of a rebuilding plan.
Trading players just for a playoff run would be a mistake.

I can't argue with that point and with the Flyers luck with injuries it is probably a valid point. I actually didn't realize his AAV was that high. I would just be very happy to move Laughts and Risto at this point, so perhaps I'm jumping the gun here.
- Phillywhiteout

It helps to have all the facts.

Trading out players that may not be seen as part of the future is not necessarily pushing the process of team building ahead of any perceived schedule.
If you’re trading for a player that will help in the short and long term that may very well be part of a rebuilding plan.
Trading players just for a playoff run would be a mistake.
- bird_dog_pa

Yes, no rentals and absolutely no to giving up any future assets. They potentially have a good thing going here and God knows it's so much more entertaining than the last few years, but they need to keep their wits about them.

Trading out players that may not be seen as part of the future is not necessarily pushing the process of team building ahead of any perceived schedule.
If you’re trading for a player that will help in the short and long term that may very well be part of a rebuilding plan.
Trading players just for a playoff run would be a mistake.
- bird_dog_pa[/quote]

I'm thinking no one in here wants that. I could be wrong.

The Phantoms seem to be the only AHL team that cannot find adequate AHL goaltending. Bot Peterson and Sandstrom are flat out awful. Regarding defense I think that is more of a coaching issue. Maybe if they had a real coach, they would fare better.