He sounds like PT21. Reasoning and form. Ton of alts on here.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

You mean “smart”?

Thanks pal.

It's not misleading. It's a percentage compared to the rest of the players in the league over that time period.
- MJL

Looks like he may get MVP this year

Max 14 years in Ontario
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Isn't it a minimum of 10 years for sexual assault and aggrevated sexual assault is a minimum of 14 years.

But it could be longer. Depending on the nature of the act, confinement, etc.

First degree murder is 25 to life, with no chance of parol for 25 years.

No. The way it works is $520.00 fee to play on the team for the year. That covers ice time (and apparently payouts to victims! Haha). Doesn’t cover gear. Right now, my kid isn’t on a travel team. As they get older, the cost goes up for the registration and you then have to pay for food and lodging when they travel for games.
- Hextall271

I am paying all in about $5-8K a yr, registration, extra ice, hotels, food, gas, equipment, power skating/skills. Every tournament starts on a friday some a thursday so burning a vacation day, and extra night hotel. One tournament a long drive away, the weekend will cost a grand easy.

He sounds like PT21. Reasoning and form. Ton of alts on here.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

How is Landsbergerfan doing of late? Too busy consuming duck chests?

Posted above. 520 a year . My son is in the under 7 group
- Hextall271

I must have misremembered. For some reason, I thought your kids were 2 teenage sons.

I am paying all in about $5-8K a yr, registration, extra ice, hotels, food, gas, equipment, power skating/skills. Every tournament starts on a friday some a thursday so burning a vacation day, and extra night hotel. One tournament a long drive away, the weekend will cost a grand easy.
- bradster

Yeah and meanwhile the largest governing body in the sport has 10s of millions of dollars for hush money.

What a sport we would have if it wasn’t just for rich people.

I don’t think it’s that strange. The victim likely changed their mind on pressing charges.
- Hextall271

I just brushed up on the chronology.

2018: Original incident, police investigate, case closed w/o charges.
2022: TSN story in May, followed by Globe and Mail story in June, detailing settlement, and that Hockey Canada maintains a reserve fund for such settlements, including the sexual assault.
2022: Gigantic outcry
2022: Police reopen case under parliamentary, public pressure, advertiser pressure.
2024: charges.

I don't follow such stuff too closely. Please correct me if I am wrong.

What happened to him was a horrible crime, that woman should have been locked up but instead got a lot of money for her actions.

He his black balled from MLB for doing nothing wrong.
- WhiskeyMan

From Wikipedia (you can find the references there). Bolding mine.

In June 2021, Bauer was placed on administrative leave and investigated by the Pasadena Police Department for the alleged assault of a San Diego woman earlier that year.[132] In response to the allegations, the Dodgers removed Bauer's merchandise from their team store.[133] He remained under investigation by MLB and police through the 2021 season[134] but the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office elected not to file criminal charges, citing a lack of evidence.[135] Bauer sued the woman for defamation, and she filed a counterclaim alleging sexual battery. Both suits were settled in 2023 with no money changing hands and neither party admitting any wrongdoing, and Bauer released a video that October saying that he was "happy to be moving on with [his] life".[136][137]

While under investigation in 2021, The Washington Post uncovered court records showing that a separate woman from Ohio had sought a temporary order of protection in June 2020.[138] A third woman also accused Bauer of sexual assault in 2022 and 2023.[139] Bauer denied all of these allegations.[140] In March 2022, Bauer filed defamation lawsuits against Deadspin, The Athletic, Deadspin editor Chris Baud, and former Athletic reporter Molly Knight.[141] A federal judge in New York dismissed the suits against Deadspin and Baud in March 2023,[142] and Bauer dropped his case against The Athletic three months later

Hey MJL, remember when you accused me of being political yesterday?

You dumbasses can’t help yourselves.
- FloHaake

I didn't accuse you of anything. I said it's not a political issue and it still isn't. Don't lump me in that crowd who want to make it that.

I just brushed up on the chronology.

2018: Original incident, police investigate, case closed w/o charges.
2022: TSN story in May, followed by Globe and Mail story in June, detailing settlement, and that Hockey Canada maintains a reserve fund for such settlements, including the sexual assault.
2022: Gigantic outcry
2022: Police reopen case under parliamentary, public pressure, advertiser pressure.
2024: charges.

I don't follow such stuff too closely. Please correct me if I am wrong.
- PT21

This is how I understand the timeline, that is why I said this does not smell right. It has witch-hunt written all over it. Again, I want to see the evidence before I dump all over Hart. For example, can the prosecution possibly have forensic evidence at this point given how many years have passed? This may very well end up being a he said, she said case which in any legitimate court would be dismissed. But the damage to the players will never go away.

This is how I understand the timeline, that is why I said this does not smell right. It has witch-hunt written all over it. Again, I want to see the evidence before I dump all over Hart. For example, can the prosecution possibly have forensic evidence at this point given how many years have passed? This may very well end up being a he said, she said case which in any legitimate court would be dismissed. But the damage to the players will never go away.
- jd250

Be serious! How does it have witch hunt written all over it? They aren't basically having NHL players leave their teams, tell them to turn themselves in to the police, if they don't feel they have strong evidence and a strong case. They will all get their day in court and we'll see what happens.

This is how I understand the timeline, that is why I said this does not smell right. It has witch-hunt written all over it. Again, I want to see the evidence before I dump all over Hart. For example, can the prosecution possibly have forensic evidence at this point given how many years have passed? This may very well end up being a he said, she said case which in any legitimate court would be dismissed. But the damage to the players will never go away.
- jd250

I think if it was a he said/she said the 5 players would not have been asked to turn themselves in.

An article from a few years back confirmed that the police have 100's of text messages, pictures and videos that confirm the timeline for most of the nights events. I think it is safe to assume they have even more now.

Will it lead to a conviction for any of the five? Who knows. But I do not think the police are being pressured into pressing charges currently. The pressure surely forced them to reopen the case in 2022. Also, the willingness of the victim to testify surely played into pressing charges.

All five will have the chance to defend themselves.

This is how I understand the timeline, that is why I said this does not smell right. It has witch-hunt written all over it. Again, I want to see the evidence before I dump all over Hart. For example, can the prosecution possibly have forensic evidence at this point given how many years have passed? This may very well end up being a he said, she said case which in any legitimate court would be dismissed. But the damage to the players will never go away.
- jd250

Is it possible that the police case has been brought to assuage the angry folks (who to me frankly often have a lynching mob mentality) looking to pursue their own agendas? That these players might be tried and then released because of a lack of evidence?

To me: absolutely. It may not be probable, but it is certainly possible. I personally am going to keep an open mind. Open just means presumption of innocence, not exoneration.

This is how I understand the timeline, that is why I said this does not smell right. It has witch-hunt written all over it. Again, I want to see the evidence before I dump all over Hart. For example, can the prosecution possibly have forensic evidence at this point given how many years have passed? This may very well end up being a he said, she said case which in any legitimate court would be dismissed. But the damage to the players will never go away.
- jd250

what do you think of vince mcmahon paying hush money and now it's all coming to light?

From Wikipedia (you can find the references there). Bolding mine.

In June 2021, Bauer was placed on administrative leave and investigated by the Pasadena Police Department for the alleged assault of a San Diego woman earlier that year.
- PT21[132] In response to the allegations, the Dodgers removed Bauer's merchandise from their team store.[133] He remained under investigation by MLB and police through the 2021 season[134] but the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office elected not to file criminal charges, citing a lack of evidence.[135] Bauer sued the woman for defamation, and she filed a counterclaim alleging sexual battery. Both suits were settled in 2023 with no money changing hands and neither party admitting any wrongdoing, and Bauer released a video that October saying that he was "happy to be moving on with [his] life".[136][137]

While under investigation in 2021, The Washington Post uncovered court records showing that a separate woman from Ohio had sought a temporary order of protection in June 2020.[138] A third woman also accused Bauer of sexual assault in 2022 and 2023.[139] Bauer denied all of these allegations.[140] In March 2022, Bauer filed defamation lawsuits against Deadspin, The Athletic, Deadspin editor Chris Baud, and former Athletic reporter Molly Knight.[141] A federal judge in New York dismissed the suits against Deadspin and Baud in March 2023,[142] and Bauer dropped his case against The Athletic three months later

How much jail time did he serve?

This is how I understand the timeline, that is why I said this does not smell right. It has witch-hunt written all over it. Again, I want to see the evidence before I dump all over Hart. For example, can the prosecution possibly have forensic evidence at this point given how many years have passed? This may very well end up being a he said, she said case which in any legitimate court would be dismissed. But the damage to the players will never go away.
- jd250

They had a texting group thing going on. They had to turn in all their texts.

So when he gets older, if he wants to play for a rep team, it starts to get into that realm. Travel all over, gear etc. some guys have told me it’s 10 to 15 k a year. One guy on my hockey team has a daughter scouted by a private school team in Vancouver area. It’s 20k a year and it covers most aspects like food and lodging but not everything.
- Hextall271

I live on Vancouver Island. My kids last played 6 years ago.

It cost me $475 each, aged 12 and 15. Both were in house (non rep) hockey..non competition and just for fun. That $475 gave them 13 games, and 14 practices. Playoffs were not a sure bet..14 teams, only 6 made the playoffs. That money did not include tournaments, team apparel, extra ice for games and practices. The extras came from team fees..usually $150-250 per kid and fundraising. 14 teams, somewhere around 20-22 kids per team. Tourneys were normally an overnight and a ferry ride each way...it all adds up. We figure it cost approx over $3k per kid, everything in for travels, fees, equipment, etc.

How much jail time did he serve?
- WhiskeyMan

How did his suits against his many alleged defamers go? Did they have to pay up?

(two can play that game).

How did his suits against his many alleged defamers go? Did they have to pay up?

(two can play that game).
- PT21

Hoe much did he pay up to his accusers?

Many of ibbocebt men have been accused and paid up for it to go away.

Many men have been accused only to be vindicated in court. Their lives will never be the same.

Hoe much did he pay up to his accusers?

Many of ibbocebt men have been accused and paid up for it to go away.

Many men have been accused only to be vindicated in court. Their lives will never be the same.
- WhiskeyMan

All I was saying is, that particular case doesn't seem to be one where we can definitely assume he was wronged.

Just because the plaintiff/prosecutors cannot make their case doesn't make for "vindication." It just means there was not enough evidence beyond reasonable doubt, not that he was innocent (or guilty).

If you guys are gonna talk about non hockey stuff, may I suggest we talk about the Eagles.

All I was saying is, that particular case doesn't seem to be one where we can definitely assume he was wronged.

Just because the plaintiff/prosecutors cannot make their case doesn't make for "vindication." It just means there was not enough evidence beyond reasonable doubt, not that he was innocent (or guilty).

If you guys are gonna talk about non hockey stuff, may I suggest we talk about the Eagles.
- PT21

There is a presumption of innocence. In this country, until proven guilty, you are innocent.

If you're going to suggest to people what they should talk about and insinuate that they're stupid. Maybe you should first have a basic understanding of civics.

I’ll put it this way: if there’s even a thought in your brain, before or during a sexual encounter , where you think “this woman could surely accuse me of something that’ll ruin my life” perhaps that sexual encounter isn’t worth it?

I’ve boned a few times in life, and it’s never came up once.

If you’re a man and “witch hunt” is what you feel about this or any situation like it? Chances are good you don’t (frank) good anyway. Let’s be real folks.

Come on ya snowflakes

All I was saying is, that particular case doesn't seem to be one where we can definitely assume he was wronged.

Just because the plaintiff/prosecutors cannot make their case doesn't make for "vindication." It just means there was not enough evidence beyond reasonable doubt, not that he was innocent (or guilty).

If you guys are gonna talk about non hockey stuff, may I suggest we talk about the Eagles.
- PT21

I’m wearing my Bryce Harper shirt today, still licking those wounds from October.

Off to the game, fellas. Any line up changes from last game to this game?