Everyone in the Habs thread seems to think he'll get 5 games considering how directly to the head, with the elbow and the skates lifting off the ice.....

Even if he's a first offender and it's not really his style that (frank)ing hit cannot happen.
- Scabeh

Obviously years of injuries have taken their toll and he's a shadow of who he was at 26 - but in his prime Gallagher was one of the premier guys everyone hated and wanted on their team. It's not like him, I agree. I don't even think there was any malicious intent driven from anything that happened in the game. I think it was just a brain fart.

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Gallagher get 3 and Matthews 2, to make it 5

Obviously years of injuries have taken their toll and he's a shadow of who he was at 26 - but in his prime Gallagher was one of the premier guys everyone hated and wanted on their team. It's not like him, I agree. I don't even think there was any malicious intent driven from anything that happened in the game. I think it was just a brain fart.
- Monkeypunk

Agreed, on all counts.

Gallagher get 3 and Matthews 2, to make it 5
- senstroll

Agreed, on all counts.
- Scabeh

ooops, sorry for the concussion and head trauma... had a brain fart

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- gravyface

Honestly at this point who cares.
Parros is an embarrassment and so is this (frank)ing league.
Gallagher clearly intended to ensure the player.
Anything under 10 games is a joke.

ooops, sorry for the concussion and head trauma... had a brain fart
- senstroll

Yeah its not an oopsie brain fart. wasn't paying attention.

It was a brain fart as in he had pent up anger and for a moment lost his ability to care about anyone and any consequences.

Even if it was uncharacteristic it doesn't matter, the 100% full intent was there in the moment.

Should have been 10 games. He is a terrible hockey player anyways.

The fact he is usually a guy that does not cross the line should only lessen the suspension from a Torres degree.

ooops, sorry for the concussion and head trauma... had a brain fart
- senstroll

I'm not excusing the hit. He deserves every game he'll get and then some.

But it's not something you'd expect from him is all.

Obviously years of injuries have taken their toll and he's a shadow of who he was at 26 - but in his prime Gallagher was one of the premier guys everyone hated and wanted on their team. It's not like him, I agree. I don't even think there was any malicious intent driven from anything that happened in the game. I think it was just a brain fart.
- Monkeypunk

I might be misunderstanding what you are saying and we might be saying the same thing but to me Gallagher will have a very hard time explaining how it was not malicious. The fact there was apparently nothing going on between the 2 players during the game would only hurt Gallagher in trying to explain it.

Brain cramp indeed and I am also a bit shocked (ok maybe not because it's the NHL DOPS and they are a (frank)ing joke) that there is no in person hearing for this.

what wil the Jays do?

Soler, meh..last resort imo
JD Martinez, I guess preferred
Turner, nah
maybe Votto, but not the hitter he once was

Sign Chapman?
Sign Bellinger?
Trade?

none of the above?

I'm not excusing the hit. He deserves every game he'll get and then some.

But it's not something you'd expect from him is all.
- Scabeh

Yep.

This sounds a bit like the neighbor being interviewed who lived beside the guy who killed his whole family and then himself.

"He was a quiet, polite person and you never would have expected this from him"

Ya well who GAS! You do the crime and then you get to do the time.

If the NHL DOPS is factoring in a players character then they are even more (frank)ed up than I thought.

Consider past actions, and what they have done in this incident period.

That being said they have proven time and time again they don't even do that - Brad (frank)ing Marchand is the prime example that comes to mind.

I might be misunderstanding what you are saying and we might be saying the same thing but to me Gallagher will have a very hard time explaining how it was not malicious. The fact there was apparently nothing going on between the 2 players during the game would only hurt Gallagher in trying to explain it.

Brain cramp indeed and I am also a bit shocked (ok maybe not because it's the NHL DOPS and they are a (frank)ing joke) that there is no in person hearing for this.
- Cush29

It's a dirty hit - but with malice comes intent which implies premeditation. In other words I don't feel that Gallagher was seeking to injure or harm him - or anyone - in that play. It's like a knee-on-knee or an elevated high slash or this - an elbow comes out. You go to hit someone and their body isn't where you thought it was or wanted it to be and your reaction is the wrong one - your leg comes out, your elbow comes up - your stick elevates - and you end up doing something that is harmful and detrimental, but not malicious because it was reaction rather than action - if you know what I mean.

This doesn't excuse the incident nor should it ultimately affect a suspension, but you can use Gallagher's history to show that he doesn't and hasn't played with this type of behaviour. He'll mix it up. He'll be an bumhole. He will somehow manage to fall on the goalie from being knocked off balance at centre ice - and make it look like an accident - but elbows, stick swinging, knees - all that garbage - it's not in his game.

To be clear: Maybe I'm being the grammar nerd that I am, but a hit can be dirty without being malicious.

It's a dirty hit - but with malice comes intent which implies premeditation. In other words I don't feel that Gallagher was seeking to injure or harm him - or anyone - in that play. It's like a knee-on-knee or an elevated high slash or this - an elbow comes out. You go to hit someone and their body isn't where you thought it was or wanted it to be and your reaction is the wrong one - your leg comes out, your elbow comes up - your stick elevates - and you end up doing something that is harmful and detrimental, but not malicious because it was reaction rather than action - if you know what I mean.

This doesn't excuse the incident nor should it ultimately affect a suspension, but you can use Gallagher's history to show that he doesn't and hasn't played with this type of behaviour. He'll mix it up. He'll be an bumhole. He will somehow manage to fall on the goalie from being knocked off balance at centre ice - and make it look like an accident - but elbows, stick swinging, knees - all that garbage - it's not in his game.

To be clear: Maybe I'm being the grammar nerd that I am, but a hit can be dirty without being malicious.
- Monkeypunk

I always like your in depth analysis and thought into things.

However this instance does not need it, don't think too much here it is clear as day he intended to injure him.

This was no hockey play from the moment he stepped on the ice and targeted him.

I always like your in depth analysis and thought into things.

However this instance does not need it, don't think too much here it is clear as day he intended to injure him.

This was no hockey play from the moment he stepped on the ice and targeted him.
- Santo_44

Yeah, I don't think he meant to injure him. Nothing in his history implies Gallagher si a player that ever tried to injure another player so I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt on intent.

Remains a stupid play that deserves a suspension though.

I always like your in depth analysis and thought into things.

However this instance does not need it, don't think too much here it is clear as day he intended to injure him.

This was no hockey play from the moment he stepped on the ice and targeted him.
- Santo_44

No. There's no hockey play here. No one is arguing that an elbow to the mush is. Unless it's delivered by Trouba. Then it's fine.

I am giving him the benefit of the doubt because of his long history of playing on the edge without these types of incidents happening. He has taken so much abuse over his career and not retaliated in this nature. If there is any type of longstanding history with Pelech, I'm not aware of it so I'm not considering it.

In the play itself he goes in for the hit in his crouch and I don't know if the timing is off here, but he goes to deliver what appears to be a standard check and Pelech takes one stride to his left which would make the hit more of a glancing hit and I think Gallagher throws up the elbow to catch him.

That's what I think. Could he have wanted to nail Pelech in the face with an elbow? Sure. Obviously he could have. It just seems strange that after 12 years in the league with no incidents like this, yesterday was the day when he'd finally had enough. Enough of a guy like Adam Pelech, who is far from dirty and I don't think has ever been suspended.

I am not justifying it and he'll deserve whatever suspension is levied against him. I'm simply saying that I don't think it was delivered with malice.

So Matthews is going to pass Keon this season...that's pretty cool.

Yeah, I don't think he meant to injure him. Nothing in his history implies Gallagher si a player that ever tried to injure another player so I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt on intent.

Remains a stupid play that deserves a suspension though.
- Scabeh

Sorry but I can't fathom how this is not an intent to injure.

You don't flying elbow someone without intent to injure...Have we really gotten to this place in hockey where we can give an athlete a free pass to flying elbow someone in the head and not say he tried to injure him?

These players are well educated on head injuries by now and the impact it can have on human beings, Gallagher knew what he was doing.

I am sure he feels terrible for it now...doesn't matter.

what wil the Jays do?

Soler, meh..last resort imo
JD Martinez, I guess preferred
Turner, nah
maybe Votto, but not the hitter he once was

Sign Chapman?
Sign Bellinger?
Trade?

none of the above?
- senstroll

Soler is the best option

30 HR potential
Can play a little in OF if needed
World Series MVP

Martinez can only DH

No Chapman please

Sorry but I can't fathom how this is not an intent to injure.

You don't flying elbow someone without intent to injure...Have we really gotten to this place in hockey where we can give an athlete a free pass to flying elbow someone in the head and not say he tried to injure him?

These players are well educated on head injuries by now and the impact it can have on human beings, Gallagher knew what he was doing.

I am sure he feels terrible for it now...doesn't matter.
- Santo_44

I think Monkey said it even better than I did, so I'm gonna rally to his post and leave it at that.

No. There's no hockey play here. No one is arguing that an elbow to the mush is. Unless it's delivered by Trouba. Then it's fine.

I am giving him the benefit of the doubt because of his long history of playing on the edge without these types of incidents happening. He has taken so much abuse over his career and not retaliated in this nature. If there is any type of longstanding history with Pelech, I'm not aware of it so I'm not considering it.

In the play itself he goes in for the hit in his crouch and I don't know if the timing is off here, but he goes to deliver what appears to be a standard check and Pelech takes one stride to his left which would make the hit more of a glancing hit and I think Gallagher throws up the elbow to catch him.

That's what I think. Could he have wanted to nail Pelech in the face with an elbow? Sure. Obviously he could have. It just seems strange that after 12 years in the league with no incidents like this, yesterday was the day when he'd finally had enough. Enough of a guy like Adam Pelech, who is far from dirty and I don't think has ever been suspended.

I am not justifying it and he'll deserve whatever suspension is levied against him. I'm simply saying that I don't think it was delivered with malice.
- Monkeypunk

I just disagree with that, I can't see any other way with this.

Good people can make mistakes and do bad things in a moment of weakness, doesn't mean said person didn't intend to do it in the moment.

The fact that he is normally a good person I will forgive and not hold him to the other dirty players in the league, but he had intent to injure a fellow hockey player and deserves the book thrown at him. 10 games. These plays can not happen, 5 games or less is not enough.

Soler is the best option

30 HR potential
Can play a little in OF if needed
World Series MVP

Martinez can only DH

No Chapman please
- mr.sir

Martinez has jut been more consistent, also 30 hr potential (had 34 in 113 games).

I doubt Soler would play any OF on the Jays...he sucks OF..maybe in blowouts I guess.

Chapman probably gives you 1-2 war more at 3b than whatever mishmash they would currently have to use

I just disagree with that, I can't see any other way with this.

Good people can make mistakes and do bad things in a moment of weakness, doesn't mean said person didn't intend to do it in the moment.

The fact that he is normally a good person I will forgive and not hold him to the other dirty players in the league, but he had intent to injure a fellow hockey player and deserves the book thrown at him. 10 games. These plays can not happen, 5 games or less is not enough.
- Santo_44

Well it will be less than 5 because it's a phone hearing and not in-person.

Since there is no league precedent to give a first time offender a 10 game suspension for an elbow to the face, I'm going to go with this: Had it been a Leaf who delivered this hit, you wouldn't be grandstanding for 10 games. If you can't view it objectively, then you aren't commenting on it objectively.

But you are always free to disagree.

That's more pathetic than criminal
- AdamFrench

Very pathetic, but also very criminal.

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If a Leaf did this, Parros would give them 20 games

Martinez has jut been more consistent, also 30 hr potential (had 34 in 113 games).

I doubt Soler would play any OF on the Jays...he sucks OF..maybe in blowouts I guess.

Chapman probably gives you 1-2 war more at 3b than whatever mishmash they would currently have to use
- senstroll

Martinez should be the Jays target hands down IMO. Soler could be a bust.