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Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jan 27 @ 6:36 PM ET
The only reason to “put energy into it” comes down to only one thing. Professionalism. I’ve said from the start he has every right to not play in Philly. How he handled himself to me is the issue.
- landros 2


Fair enough. A team decides not to offer a player a contract. They don’t entertain a discussion or give a reason. Are they exhibiting a lack of professionalism?

2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 27 @ 6:42 PM ET
Well, since we are talking about Cutter how bout I look at the other side of the deal. What does everyone think of Drysdale so far? I'm not all that impressed to be honest. At this point I'd take Cutter in an instant if he becomes the player that he is supposed to become. Drysdale a -4 this afternoon. Eh what? Oh, and Sadheim was just downright awful. Someone please clue him in that you are supposed to run over the OTHER team's goalie...not your own. Bozo!
- Phillywhiteout

drysdale isn't a quitter
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 27 @ 6:43 PM ET
I agree with this take.
- TheFreak


How could management have handled it better?
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jan 27 @ 6:43 PM ET
Well, since we are talking about Cutter how bout I look at the other side of the deal. What does everyone think of Drysdale so far? I'm not all that impressed to be honest. At this point I'd take Cutter in an instant if he becomes the player that he is supposed to become. Drysdale a -4 this afternoon. Eh what? Oh, and Sadheim was just downright awful. Someone please clue him in that you are supposed to run over the OTHER team's goalie...not your own. Bozo!
- Phillywhiteout
. Drysdale looks like he has a ton of talent but has a lot to learn. Was rushed and put in a crappy situation by Anaheim. Most of all though they need to find him a better partner. Sanheim or York are not it.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 27 @ 6:44 PM ET
Fair enough. A team decides not to offer a player a contract. They don’t entertain a discussion or give a reason. Are they exhibiting a lack of professionalism?
- Minnyhock


Pretty sure the agent would be told ….no?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 27 @ 6:45 PM ET
Well, since we are talking about Cutter how bout I look at the other side of the deal. What does everyone think of Drysdale so far? I'm not all that impressed to be honest. At this point I'd take Cutter in an instant if he becomes the player that he is supposed to become. Drysdale a -4 this afternoon. Eh what? Oh, and Sadheim was just downright awful. Someone please clue him in that you are supposed to run over the OTHER team's goalie...not your own. Bozo!
- Phillywhiteout


You can see has the tools…still a work in progress.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jan 27 @ 6:48 PM ET
Pretty sure the agent would be told ….no?
- landros 2


I don’t know. Teams are reluctant to go to arbitration in part because they have to sometimes
say negative things about the player to strengthen their position.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 27 @ 6:57 PM ET
Fair enough. A team decides not to offer a player a contract. They don’t entertain a discussion or give a reason. Are they exhibiting a lack of professionalism?
- Minnyhock

Why wouldn’t they entertain a discussion if asked?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 27 @ 6:57 PM ET
I don’t know? Teams are reluctant to go to arbitration in part because they have to sometimes
say negative things about the player to strengthen their position.

- Minnyhock


Arbitration also puts a number into your cap that you don’t decide or you lose an asset for nothing. It’s also not always good for a player to hear the negatives about their game…it’s a process that can create hurt feelings for sure. I do think it’s important to have it but it certainly has is flaws.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 27 @ 6:58 PM ET
drysdale isn't a quitter
- 2Real

ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 27 @ 6:58 PM ET
I don’t know. Teams are reluctant to go to arbitration in part because they have to sometimes
say negative things about the player to strengthen their position.

- Minnyhock

Now you’re bringing in a totally different situation. Not resigning a player is not even remotely the same case as going to arbitration.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jan 27 @ 7:06 PM ET
Now you’re bringing in a totally different situation. Not resigning a player is not even remotely the same case as going to arbitration.
- ClaudeFather


I’m responding to the poster saying that he’s pretty sure that the agent would be told the reason for not being resigned. The team doesn’t want to say anything negative about the player. Why shouldn’t Cutter do the same?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 27 @ 7:10 PM ET
I’m responding to the poster saying that he’s pretty sure that the agent would be told the reason for not being resigned. The team doesn’t want to say anything negative about the player. Why shouldn’t Cutter do the same?
- Minnyhock

Yea, if a team was asked I’m sure they would give an answer. Not resigning a player is also nothing close to drafting a player 5th overall a year and a half ago and the player going radio silent on you. The poster said it was a lack of professionalism, which it was. Player was within his rights to do so but handled it poorly. Now you’re trying to make an entirely different scenario, where the team more than likely would give a response, to compare. There’s no comparison.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jan 27 @ 7:17 PM ET
I’m responding to the poster saying that he’s pretty sure that the agent would be told the reason for not being resigned. The team doesn’t want to say anything negative about the player. Why shouldn’t Cutter do the same?
- Minnyhock

What CF said.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jan 27 @ 7:19 PM ET
Yea, if a team was asked I’m sure they would give an answer. Not resigning a player is also nothing close to drafting a player 5th overall a year and a half ago and the player going radio silent on you. The poster said it was a lack of professionalism, which it was. Player was within his rights to do so but handled it poorly. Now you’re trying to make an entirely different scenario, where the team more than likely would give a response, to compare. There’s no comparison.
- ClaudeFather


My point is only that teams don’t always give explanations for decisions they make. So why is it unproffesional when a player does it and not the team? I’m not comparing drafting, resigning and arbitration. I’m only talking about communication.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jan 27 @ 7:22 PM ET
What CF said.
- landros 2


Teams don’t tell agents why they’re not resigning their clients, They say they’re going in a different direction. That’s what Cutter did.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
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Jan 27 @ 7:26 PM ET
My point is only that teams don’t always give explanations for decisions they make. So why is it unproffesional when a player does it and not the team? I’m not comparing drafting, resigning and arbitration. I’m only talking about communication.
- Minnyhock

If a player asked to meet with a team….would they ghost him? Not take the agents call? Also the little issue, this kid hasn’t even played a game or been under contract from an NHL team. To me this kid deserves the treatment he’s received…less the idiots that threaten a kids life.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 27 @ 7:27 PM ET
Teams don’t tell agents why they’re not resigning their clients, They say they’re going in a different direction. That’s what Cutter did.
- Minnyhock

So they actually do return a phone calls ? Yes …because it’s “professional” hockey.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jan 27 @ 7:35 PM ET
So they actually do return a phone calls ? Yes …because it’s “professional” hockey.
- landros 2


I’m pretty sure his agent returned the call and said it’s over.


PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 27 @ 7:36 PM ET
I think the fact that he wasn’t willing to talk to team and refused to hear them out is EVIDENCE of Diva like behaviour. Be a man….edit: (and a professional)…tell them face to face. Everybody that says he owes the Flyers nothing are correct, but that does open him up as fair game to face criticism. You are the one with ABSOLUTELY no evidence on your side. WHY? Because CG refuses to give a reason both publicly and privately.
Your argument is PURE conjecture on your part….as long as you realize that …knock yourself out.

- landros 2


My take is that this was agent advice. Kid wanted out, agent asked if sure, kid says yes, reasons are not something that will air well so agent says: fine, let me handle all discussions. Dont do anything without going through me. It's hardly unusual in contractual matters. Kid may not have met team, but agent did, including on occasions when Flyers insinuated he was ghosting them

I am sorry this does not meet your standards of manhood or professionalism, but your argument is not with CG. It is with modern times. 😂

I may not have anything more than logic and circumstantial evidence. But I am at least providing some attempts at plausibility by bringing those up. You are essentially hell bent on slapping a predetermined ending to a plot without paying much attention to its nuances.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 27 @ 7:43 PM ET
. Drysdale looks like he has a ton of talent but has a lot to learn. Was rushed and put in a crappy situation by Anaheim. Most of all though they need to find him a better partner. Sanheim or York are not it.
- psuhockey


I feel he has come to the wrong team. The Torst style: limiting shots against, possession centric, D men not getting too deep and snuffing out rushes the other way, grinding out SOG on the offensive zone, is not well suited to optimize his existing skills or his potential. A freer, faster style, with faster forwards, would be better for him.

I also feel he needs to take that slapshot on the pp when he sees a lane. Keep defenders honest.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jan 27 @ 7:49 PM ET
I’m pretty sure his agent returned the call and said it’s over.
- Minnyhock

Now knowing the situation I wish DB would have made him sit another entire year…I’m not sure his value would have dropped that much. Kinda what Bob Clarke did with Lindros. You don’t want to play with us ? Fine. Enjoy another year in school. I think that’s a rookie GM just wanting to get out from under an issue.
That said I’m happy they got Drysale. I also have no issue saying what I think of him rgarding his professionalism or lack there of.

Agent: ya it’s over .

DB. Why?

Agent: it’s a private family matter.

Of course the Agent has to make or take a phone call. That’s literally his job.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jan 27 @ 7:51 PM ET
I feel he has come to the wrong team. The Torst style: limiting shots against, possession centric, D men not getting too deep and snuffing out rushes the other way, grinding out SOG on the offensive zone, is not well suited to optimize his existing skills or his potential. A freer, faster style, with faster forwards, would be better for him.

I also feel he needs to take that slapshot on the pp when he sees a lane. Keep defenders honest.

- PT21

That is not how Tortorella coached either Seth Jones or Zach Werenski. They had autonomy to improvise and it was on the forwards to cover.

The Tortorella reputation doesn’t match up with reality.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 27 @ 7:55 PM ET
That is not how Tortorella coached either Seth Jones or Zach Werenski. They had autonomy to improvise and it was on the forwards to cover.

The Tortorella reputation doesn’t match up with reality.

- psuhockey


Hmm. I watched a bunch of those games of that team esp after the Tampa upset. I rarely saw those two get deep. Maybe my impression/memory is flawed. Interesting. Let me check.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jan 27 @ 7:57 PM ET
My take is that this was agent advice. Kid wanted out, agent asked if sure, kid says yes, reasons are not something that will air well so agent says: fine, let me handle all discussions. Dont do anything without going through me. It's hardly unusual in contractual matters. Kid may not have met team, but agent did, including on occasions when Flyers insinuated he was ghosting them

I am sorry this does not meet your standards of manhood or professionalism, but your argument is not with CG. It is with modern times. 😂

I may not have anything more than logic and circumstantial evidence. But I am at least providing some attempts at plausibility by bringing those up. You are essentially hell bent on slapping a predetermined ending to a plot without paying much attention to its nuances.

- PT21

Again it matters little what I think. But once again this is pure conjecture on your part. ..your entire premise is a guess. Why ? Because he refused to give a reason for both ghosting the Flyers and actually signing a contract. I wouldn’t say your interpretation is logical at all. Maybe to you I guess.
I would say this. Any player that treats an organization that way shows a lack of professionalism. Again he made a decision that is with in his right. It’s hard for me to side with a players actions when he refuses to explain them…
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