So, your standard of something being true is non-refutation. And silence = guilt.

Interesting.


- PT21

No his standard is based off of what is known. While yours is based off of fantasy and non-facts in just another of a long line of failed attempts by you to try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room.

So, your standard of something being true is non-refutation. And silence = guilt.

Interesting.


- PT21

Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes it’s just a simple answer. Logic says there’s not a lot to this.

And yes if one side gives a plausible explanation and the other side stays quiet in response….more then likely it’s because they have nothing more tangible to add to the story.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes it’s just a simple answer. Logic says there’s not a lot to this.

And yes if one side gives a plausible explanation and the other side stays quiet in response….more then likely it’s because they have nothing more tangible to add to the story.
- landros 2

That side did not give any explanation. They provided a summary of behavior WITHOUT explanation. The behavior they cited is outlandishly improbable, inconsistent with the accused's own past behavior, inconsistent with the considerable professional experience of his agency, and their recounting of it was clearly choreographed. Further they implied that Cutter's camp was ghosting them, not just Cutter and this turned out to be inaccurate.

You can choose to believe them. I have higher standards.

That side did not give any explanation. They provided a summary of behavior WITHOUT explanation. The behavior they cited is outlandishly improbable, inconsistent with the accused's own past behavior, inconsistent with the considerable professional experience of his agency, and their recounting of it was clearly choreographed. Further they implied that Cutter's camp was ghosting them, not just Cutter and this turned out to be inaccurate.

You can choose to believe them. I have higher standards.
- PT21

Again, you fail to realize and understand that the Flyers side of the story has been confirmed by multiple credible sources such as Ellotte Friedman. Making the behavior that the Flyers cited extremely probable. Not one outside source has discredited the Flyers account of what happened.

That side did not give any explanation. They provided a summary of behavior WITHOUT explanation. The behavior they cited is outlandishly improbable, inconsistent with the accused's own past behavior, inconsistent with the considerable professional experience of his agency, and their recounting of it was clearly choreographed. Further they implied that Cutter's camp was ghosting them, not just Cutter and this turned out to be inaccurate.

You can choose to believe them. I have higher standards.
- PT21

High standards ….that’s rich. Coming from the guy with an argument based on his tea leaves.

Listen if they ever choose to speak then perhaps that changes the narrative and what I have to assume at this point is the logical truth.

But you do you. And enjoy the rest of your evening.

High standards ….that’s rich. Coming from the guy with an argument based on his tea leaves.

Listen if they ever choose to speak then perhaps that changes the narrative and what I have to assume at this point is the logical truth.

But you do you. And enjoy the rest of your evening.
- landros 2

Tea leaves are lovely in and of themselves. But they are a figure of speech meaning reading between the lines and such. They are not tarot cards as you are implying.

And again with the thesis that silence = admission of guilt. You need to watch more British detective shows. Every single episode seems to have a perp being questioned under oath and saying "no comment."

For you, that would be enough to convict.

Good night, and I hope you don't wake up with a hangover.

I am probably giving the new management team more forethought then they actually have but if the plan is to build a Stanley Cup contender without tanking, they are going to have to build it based on the top talent that would be available to them. If you look at the best talent taken after the top 10 it is usually defensemen, goaltenders and two way forwards. The Flyers will never get a MacKinnon outside of the top 5 but could get a Kopitar or ROR for centers and Karlsson and Josi for defensivemen. Instead of relying on a McDavid to break down an entire defense Corp, you create chaos with pinching defensemen backed by two way forwards with good goaltending to bail out the occasional odd man rush created by an over aggressive pinches.

The Flyers don’t have the defense Corp or the forward group to play that way but are still trying it anyway.
- psuhockey

I have to confess you have seriously piqued my interest with this take. I need to watch some games purely to confirm this for myself.

My post is not pedantic. I have a knowledge of ELC's and how the contracts work. You obviously don't or you wouldn't have made the statement you made. I find your comments long on insults and short on FACTS. Perhaps you need to educate yourself.
- MJL

Yeah you’re just a guy on a messageboard and have about as much credibility as anyone else which is near zero.

“Knowledge of ELC’s and how the contracts work”. Ok are you a player agent? Are you involved in the business side of hockey?


Look I’m not trying to say I have more credibility than you or anyone, but see thats the distinction to be made between a poster like me and a poster like you. I don’t post as if I’m drowning in all the facts that the knuckle dragging “other kind of Flyer fan” couldn’t possibly attain.

Unless you are Bill Meltzer, which would actually make sense. Tell me you’re Bill Meltzer and I’ll take those “facts” as truth.

The Flyers message was simple. If you don't want to play here, then you won't and that Gauthier didn't want to play here so they traded him. They stated that Gauthier told them in May of 23 that he wouldn't sign with them. He then would not talk to the Flyers. The Flyers went to Sweden to try one last time and he would not talk to him. All of this has been confirmed by numerous credible outside sources. What is disengenuous about that? Now Gauthier's side of the story and why he felt that way, has not been confirmed by anyone.

Your reading of the tea leaves has been an epic failure. Just a collection of inventions and fantasy that is not based on any of the known facts.
- MJL

Yes. Everything else is noise.

I am probably giving the new management team more forethought then they actually have but if the plan is to build a Stanley Cup contender without tanking, they are going to have to build it based on the top talent that would be available to them. If you look at the best talent taken after the top 10 it is usually defensemen, goaltenders and two way forwards. The Flyers will never get a MacKinnon outside of the top 5 but could get a Kopitar or ROR for centers and Karlsson and Josi for defensivemen. Instead of relying on a McDavid to break down an entire defense Corp, you create chaos with pinching defensemen backed by two way forwards with good goaltending to bail out the occasional odd man rush created by an over aggressive pinches.

The Flyers don’t have the defense Corp or the forward group to play that way but are still trying it anyway.
- psuhockey

Teams that have a McDavid, McKinnon and Kucherov, their defenseman don't pinch in? Tortorella looks to create chaos with the 2-1 spread forecheck that he plays. Every team's defenseman pinch in. Offense is a 5 man game in today's NHL. You can't score consistently without defenseman. Tortorella's checking and forechecking schemes are fine. It's his breakouts, regroups, set neutral zone plays, and offensive structure both at 5 on 5 and the PP that are the issue and is behind the times. Tortorella really doesn't know how to coach offense. Neither do his assistants. Tortorella might be better if they brought in an offensive minded assistant that is fluent in modern day NHL attack schemes but Tortorella would have to let go of some of his "non-negotiables".

Yeah you’re just a guy on a messageboard and have about as much credibility as anyone else which is near zero.

“Knowledge of ELC’s and how the contracts work”. Ok are you a player agent? Are you involved in the business side of hockey?


Look I’m not trying to say I have more credibility than you or anyone, but see thats the distinction to be made between a poster like me and a poster like you. I don’t post as if I’m drowning in all the facts that the knuckle dragging “other kind of Flyer fan” couldn’t possibly attain.

Unless you are Bill Meltzer, which would actually make sense. Tell me you’re Bill Meltzer and I’ll take those “facts” as truth.
- FloHaake

It's not that bad. There are some others here who are both knowledgeable and insightful.

Yeah you’re just a guy on a messageboard and have about as much credibility as anyone else which is near zero.

“Knowledge of ELC’s and how the contracts work”. Ok are you a player agent? Are you involved in the business side of hockey?


Look I’m not trying to say I have more credibility than you or anyone, but see thats the distinction to be made between a poster like me and a poster like you. I don’t post as if I’m drowning in all the facts that the knuckle dragging “other kind of Flyer fan” couldn’t possibly attain.

Unless you are Bill Meltzer, which would actually make sense. Tell me you’re Bill Meltzer and I’ll take those “facts” as truth.
- FloHaake

Yea, you're not making any sense. Why would one have to be a player agent or involved in the business side of hockey? All you have to be is informed. On the CBA and the maximum compensation allowed for an ELC under the CBA. This information is publicly available. As is the contracts of players drafted in a similar spot to Gauthier. Once informed of this knowledge, it is easy to figure out that there is very little actual negotiation that takes place in a situation like that. Due to the restraints of an ELC. All you're displaying is your ignorance and applying some absurd standard of having to be Bill Meltzer to be aware of this easily found and readily available public information.

https://www.capfriendly.c...-entry-level-compensation

Yes. Everything else is noise.
- Minnyhock

Not really. What the Flyers did and tried to do is relevant information.

Not really. What the Flyers did and tried to do is relevant information.
- MJL

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It’s noise in that none of the machinations impacted the end result.

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It’s noise in that none of the machinations impacted the end result.
- Minnyhock

The Flyers being unwilling to sign Gauthier at the tail end of the 22/23 season didn't impact the end result?

Teams that have a McDavid, McKinnon and Kucherov, their defenseman don't pinch in? Tortorella looks to create chaos with the 2-1 spread forecheck that he plays. Every team's defenseman pinch in. Offense is a 5 man game in today's NHL. You can't score consistently without defenseman. Tortorella's checking and forechecking schemes are fine. It's his breakouts, regroups, set neutral zone plays, and offensive structure both at 5 on 5 and the PP that are the issue and is behind the times. Tortorella really doesn't know how to coach offense. Neither do his assistants. Tortorella might be better if they brought in an offensive minded assistant that is fluent in modern day NHL attack schemes but Tortorella would have to let go of some of his "non-negotiables".
- MJL

My favorite part of this is the coach offense part. Edmonton does a great job of coaching offense. Cooper did a great job of coaching offense out of Kucherov this past week. Montgomery did the same for Pastrnak.

My favorite part of this is the coach offense part. Edmonton does a great job of coaching offense. Cooper did a great job of coaching offense out of Kucherov this past week. Montgomery did the same for Pastrnak.
- psuhockey

I assume this is being sarcastic. Yes, offense can be coached and there is more to coaching offense than just saying hey, McDavid, Pasternak and Kucherov, get out on the ice. The movements even star offensive players make in the offensive zone are not random. Their teammates don't just blindly skate around or throw the puck around randomly. They know where to find their elite teammates and vice versa. Martin St. Louis made a really informative You tube video on how offense is created in the NHL. It's worth a watch.

The good news is NJ lost again. They just can't put it together to take advantage of the Flyers losing streak.

The Flyers being unwilling to sign Gauthier at the tail end of the 22/23 season didn't impact the end result?
- MJL

He wanted to sign. They passed. Something changed. Like you said. He didn’t want to be there. Timing is everything.

I assume this is being sarcastic. Yes, offense can be coached and there is more to coaching offense than just saying hey, McDavid, Pasternak and Kucherov, get out on the ice. The movements even star offensive players make in the offensive zone are not random. Their teammates don't just blindly skate around or throw the puck around randomly. They know where to find their elite teammates and vice versa. Martin St. Louis made a really informative You tube video on how offense is created in the NHL. It's worth a watch.
- MJL

It’s not sarcastic. It’s the reality of the NHL. Montreal is 28th out of 32 NHL teams for goals scored. Maybe Martin St Louis needs to watch his own YouTube video.

Yeah you’re just a guy on a messageboard and have about as much credibility as anyone else which is near zero.

“Knowledge of ELC’s and how the contracts work”. Ok are you a player agent? Are you involved in the business side of hockey?


Look I’m not trying to say I have more credibility than you or anyone, but see thats the distinction to be made between a poster like me and a poster like you. I don’t post as if I’m drowning in all the facts that the knuckle dragging “other kind of Flyer fan” couldn’t possibly attain.

Unless you are Bill Meltzer, which would actually make sense. Tell me you’re Bill Meltzer and I’ll take those “facts” as truth.
- FloHaake

Yea, you're not making any sense. Why would one have to be a player agent or involved in the business side of hockey? All you have to be is informed. On the CBA and the maximum compensation allowed for an ELC under the CBA. This information is publicly available. As is the contracts of players drafted in a similar spot to Gauthier. Once informed of this knowledge, it is easy to figure out that there is very little actual negotiation that takes place in a situation like that. Due to the restraints of an ELC. All you're displaying is your ignorance and applying some absurd standard of having to be Bill Meltzer to be aware of this easily found and readily available public information.

https://www.capfriendly.c...-entry-level-compensation
- MJL

I’m yawning I’m so bored

Yeah I can read that poop too. Doesn’t give you a shred of credibility, something you insist upon in your posting history.

Also, you’re simply nitpicking my wording in that post. I’m not saying it’s about “money” in terms of figures, I’m saying “money” as in “contracts, as in ELC’s if you like. It’s just a manner of speech that you are really hung up on, but ok man. Be a weird autistic guy about it, that’s fine. I’m also on the spectrum, so we will have some fun.

It’s not sarcastic. It’s the reality of the NHL. Montreal is 28th out of 32 NHL teams for goals scored. Maybe Martin St Louis needs to watch his own YouTube video.
- psuhockey

Martin St, Louis is a Hall of Famer who certainly knows how to coach offense. No coach is successful without talent.

Here is a video from a seminar Peter Laviolette gave on creating offense.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAXrjqEep8g

It’s not sarcastic. It’s the reality of the NHL. Montreal is 28th out of 32 NHL teams for goals scored. Maybe Martin St Louis needs to watch his own YouTube video.
- psuhockey

Martin St, Louis is a Hall of Famer who certainly knows how to coach offense. No coach is successful without talent.

Here is a video from a seminar Peter Laviolette gave on creating offense.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAXrjqEep8g
- MJL

He’s not even in the top 85% of the league for offense. If offense was a product of coaching he should at least elevate Montreals out the bottom 5 teams in the whole NHL.

Montreal has 5 forwards taken in the top 16 of the draft. The Flyers have 3 yet they are 8th worst in the league under the offensively challenged Tortorella, three better than Montreal.