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winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Feb 6 @ 8:05 PM ET
I just skip it?
- golfingsince




Golfing since

golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Feb 6 @ 8:34 PM ET
show me where it hurts
jribout
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 01.24.2011

Feb 6 @ 8:35 PM ET
My top 5 all time Blue Jays

1) Alomar
2) McGriff
3) Halladay
4) Key
5) Bichette

- mr.sir


Dave Stieb
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Feb 6 @ 8:46 PM ET
Dave Stieb
- jribout

Hard to ignore Stieb. He was one of if not the best Major League pitcher in the 80's and got 1.4% of HOF votes to fall off the ballot in his first year of eligibility. Had a WAR of 56.4 vs. say HOF'er Jack Morris' WAR of 43.5.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Feb 6 @ 8:50 PM ET
Steib
Halliday
Delgado
Alomar
Bautista

Lots of great players that were around for shorter stints. Hard not to mention Carter. He had the biggest homer in Jays history. I was there. Jimmy Key was a beauty. Henke and Ward were dynomite.

- winsix

Devon White - one of the best center fielders they’ve had in my opinion. Crack of the bat, ran to a spot, looked up and there it was. Made it look so easy.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Feb 6 @ 8:53 PM ET
Devon White - one of the best center fielders they’ve had in my opinion. Crack of the bat, ran to a spot, looked up and there it was. Made it look so easy.
- Woderwick


Loved Devo, great center fielder and could hit for power. WAMCO - as we called them were an awesome top of the order.
Whipper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GalacticStone made avi, AB
Joined: 07.04.2006

Feb 6 @ 8:55 PM ET
https://www.si.com/fannat...with-auston-matthews-jb13
Yes, YES, give him more motivation. Let the hate flow through you.
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Feb 6 @ 10:23 PM ET
Don't you worry my kids have thick necks.
- The Law

👊
https://youtu.be/prnaHeWUBAA?si=tRd79aUulNSkgcuS
Azuredoom
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.14.2019

Feb 6 @ 10:38 PM ET
I said it before.. The Leafs will be fighting just to make the playoffs and may miss.

This is a lost year.. Trade and get some picks back and reload for next year.

The Leafs as of today are in a WC spot and 12th in the league... For a team that was supposed to be top of the division.. Keefe needs to be gone.. Don't think he is a bad coach but i think he has lost this team.
Roadrunner75
Seattle Kraken
Location: ON
Joined: 03.01.2013

Feb 6 @ 11:08 PM ET
I said it before.. The Leafs will be fighting just to make the playoffs and may miss.

This is a lost year.. Trade and get some picks back and reload for next year.

The Leafs as of today are in a WC spot and 12th in the league... For a team that was supposed to be top of the division.. Keefe needs to be gone.. Don't think he is a bad coach but i think he has lost this team.

- Azuredoom


Agree on ditching Keefe. After 4 years and we still get sloppy execution of whatever plan he has, bloody poor line changes, constant blender of lines, and utterly outcoached. He is a decent nhl/very good minors coach but this team needs a new focus and voice. Its just time to move on.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 7 @ 1:41 AM ET
Aaron, I always enjoy reading your views and I recognize we need to make moves/ trades.

But I just think the cupboards are too bare at this point to do much upgrading and the prices are thru the roof.

Plus Tre put us behind the eight ball before the season started and they only way to recover from that is next summer.

Empty the trash and reset.

- Leafsmart


I understand your statement. I just think you can't really reset when you've got all your draft picks playing in their prime. We already did the whole "load up" thing. We got knies and Woll. What more do we need from picks that wont play for like 3 to 5 years?
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 7 @ 1:43 AM ET
Tampa hadn't failed in the playoffs the 4 years prior abd blew many assets doing it. So not a good comparison.

As for bert, ive said many times, i want to see him in the playoffs. Hopefully he turns it up, cause his reg season has been pretty bad

- Fakepartofme


Oh you mean the same Tampa team that got swept by the blue jackets in round 1? Also Tampa was the president's trophy winner that year. It was the year prior by the way. Not like that isn't dismal or anything...nope...not failure. I guess that's winning.

yeah I guess we can all live in revisionist history so we can make our points!
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Feb 7 @ 5:38 AM ET
I said it before.. The Leafs will be fighting just to make the playoffs and may miss.

This is a lost year.. Trade and get some picks back and reload for next year.

The Leafs as of today are in a WC spot and 12th in the league... For a team that was supposed to be top of the division.. Keefe needs to be gone.. Don't think he is a bad coach but i think he has lost this team.

- Azuredoom


Not sure why folks are so negative on this regular season. In recent past years, Leafs have been highly successful going post to post through the regular season. We all know the story. They breezed into playoffs only to whiff and come up short.

So, for many years, expectation have been off the charts. Belief in the Leafs was stratospheric. Yet, despite the narrative there was aways this profound anxiety over what can go wrong in the playoffs.

I think the Leafs benefit from the challenges of this regular season. First, neither the team nor the fans have unrealistic expectations. The needs are quality depth additions. No home runs needed.

The Leafs are a solid veteran team. They have had to fight for points on almost every night. They have been very good coming from behind. They have had success lateen the game. It has been a lot harder this year and that is not a bad thing.

They will go into the playoffs knowing how to win the battles late in the game and in overtime. I believe this is the year the Leafs will fight and claw their way through into the Conference finals and perhaps beyond.


Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Lawless Soldier of The Devil, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Feb 7 @ 7:51 AM ET
Leaf fans last year: who cares about regular season success, need to see progress in playoffs

Leafs: beat Tampa in playoffs, next regular season not as good

Leaf fans by halfway point: not good enough regular season, writeoff

Lol

Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I take Joel for walks around the block, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Feb 7 @ 8:26 AM ET
Tavares owes Canadian gov’t $8M


What a bum.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 7 @ 8:29 AM ET
Tavares owes Canadian gov’t $8M


What a bum.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


that 8mil must include interest?

Rick Westhead

@rwesthead
Maple Leafs captain John Tavares is fighting the Canada Revenue Agency over an $8M tax bill.
Tavares says he should owe 15% on a US$15.3M signing bonus he received when he signed with Toronto in 2018. The CRA says the bonus should be taxed at 38%.


Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Feb 7 @ 8:47 AM ET
that 8mil must include interest?
- senstroll


Considering the CRA once charged me interests over 30 cents I owed them, I'm guessing yes.


This is not a joke.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 7 @ 8:48 AM ET
Considering the CRA once charged me interests over 30 cents I owed them, I'm guessing yes.


This is not a joke.

- Scabeh


the punishment for not paying that is 18 mins in jail
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 7 @ 8:50 AM ET
that 8mil must include interest?
- senstroll

It’s the same issue Bautista, Josh Donaldson and Russ Martin are fighting CRA over. It could take away one advantage Canadian teams have in how they structure signing bonuses to reduce tax burdens
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Feb 7 @ 8:53 AM ET
Leaf fans last year: who cares about regular season success, need to see progress in playoffs

Leafs: beat Tampa in playoffs, next regular season not as good

Leaf fans by halfway point: not good enough regular season, writeoff

Lol

- Zezel


That isn't the problem. The problem is that their play is indicative of larger problems and they have frequently been lucky to win. That's the eye test. Look at this three year view of this team's comparative rates at 5v5 (except where PP & PK are specified):

Through 48 games of 2023-24:

5v5: 102GF - 99GA
PP: 35GF - 6GA (25% - 8th)
PK: 5GF - 30GA (77.8% - 23rd)

GF: 15th
GA 16th

xGF: 7th
xGA: 24th

HDCF: 4th
HDCA: 25th

SCF: 7th
SCA: 14th

Pts%: .604

Through 48 games of 2022-23:

5v5: 105GF - 77GA
PP: 38GF - 3GA (24.7% - 7th)
PK: 6GF - 30GA (79.1% - 16th)

GF: 7th
GA: 4th

xGF: 8th
xGA: 9th

HDCF: 4th
HDCA: 18th

SCF: 3rd
SCA: 11th

Pts%: .688


Through 48 games of 2021-22:

5v5: 113GF - 100GA
PP: 42GF - 0GA (31.6% - 1st)
PK: 7GF - 21GA (84.6% - 5th)

GF: 6th
GA: 20th

xGF: 4th
xGA: 11th

HDCF: 3rd
HDCA: 13th

SCF: 2nd
SCA: 12th

Pts%: .698


You can love the team and still recognize that every discernible metric for this team is moving in the wrong way right now. Even though their power play percentage is up from last year, the league overall has gotten better so they are slightly worse compared to their competition.







Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Feb 7 @ 9:06 AM ET
Considering the CRA once charged me interests over 30 cents I owed them, I'm guessing yes.


This is not a joke.

- Scabeh


I'll try to make this succinct, but for me that's hard.

In my early 20s I was very, very care-free about money - I still largely am today, but my wife is responsible and pays bills and manages that stuff. I mean like all of us, I'd love to live a life where money isn't really an object or an issue, but for the most part I don't really think about it too much. It's not exactly equitable here, but the way I think about it lends towards the way I think about bills. Of course bear in mind in the 90s all bills were through cheques, stamps, mail . . . it was actually DOING something.

Anyway, my wife was an accountant at KPMG when we started dating and the first day she came back to my condo for dinner, I grabbed the mail and she's like, "Is that a red letter from CRA?"
"I don't know. I guess. They keep saying I owe them $16."
"Why haven't you paid it?"
"Because I haven't submitted my taxes for the last 5 years and they owed me like $200 - $600 on each of them. They can take the $6 from that. I don't get these guys."
So I mean first tax accountants and all. She's all like, "YOU HAVEN"T SUBMITTED YOUR TAXES FOR FIVE YEARS?" She's taller and honestly a bit intimidating (a lot, really) and I'm all like, "Woah, woah, money nerd. It's okay. They can have their money. Just take it from the other stuff."
"You do know that's not how they work, right? Right?"

So anyway, that's how I got an accountant to do all my taxes for me, marry me and get bills paid - all in one swoop. I hadn't even made her dinner yet. It probably didn't help that when we got upstairs to my place there was a note on the door from Rogers saying they had come to pick up my modem for non-payment of the bill.
"Oh yeah. Those guys."

In hindsight she must have thought there was something about me she liked, because these stories don't paint me as the hero.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Feb 7 @ 9:09 AM ET
I'll try to make this succinct, but for me that's hard.

In my early 20s I was very, very care-free about money - I still largely am today, but my wife is responsible and pays bills and manages that stuff. I mean like all of us, I'd love to live a life where money isn't really an object or an issue, but for the most part I don't really think about it too much. It's not exactly equitable here, but the way I think about it lends towards the way I think about bills. Of course bear in mind in the 90s all bills were through cheques, stamps, mail . . . it was actually DOING something.

Anyway, my wife was an accountant at KPMG when we started dating and the first day she came back to my condo for dinner, I grabbed the mail and she's like, "Is that a red letter from CRA?"
"I don't know. I guess. They keep saying I owe them $16."
"Why haven't you paid it?"
"Because I haven't submitted my taxes for the last 5 years and they owed me like $200 - $600 on each of them. They can take the $6 from that. I don't get these guys."
So I mean first tax accountants and all. She's all like, "YOU HAVEN"T SUBMITTED YOUR TAXES FOR FIVE YEARS?" She's taller and honestly a bit intimidating (a lot, really) and I'm all like, "Woah, woah, money nerd. It's okay. They can have their money. Just take it from the other stuff."
"You do know that's not how they work, right? Right?"

So anyway, that's how I got an accountant to do all my taxes for me, marry me and get bills paid - all in one swoop. I hadn't even made her dinner yet. It probably didn't help that when we got upstairs to my place there was a note on the door from Rogers saying they had come to pick up my modem for non-payment of the bill.
"Oh yeah. Those guys."

In hindsight she must have thought there was something about me she liked, because these stories don't paint me as the hero.

- Monkeypunk


Sounds like your wife had/has the savior syndrome. You lucky dog.
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: U Jealous of my Meteor
Joined: 01.29.2013

Feb 7 @ 9:11 AM ET
Leaf fans last year: who cares about regular season success, need to see progress in playoffs

Leafs: beat Tampa in playoffs, next regular season not as good

Leaf fans by halfway point: not good enough regular season, writeoff

Lol

- Zezel


Leafs fans are HARD on their team.

I don't like wishing losses on my own team or wishing to miss the playoffs just to get a coach fired or a player traded. It's nuts.

I mean, I'm not judging, it's an observation.
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Feb 7 @ 9:19 AM ET
Leafs fans are HARD on their team.

I don't like wishing losses on my own team or wishing to miss the playoffs just to get a coach fired or a player traded. It's nuts.

I mean, I'm not judging, it's an observation.

- GalacticStone



Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Feb 7 @ 9:21 AM ET


Golfing since


- winsix


Golf clap for you on this.

This was excellent and seemed to have resulted in a loser west coast troll mumbling a piss poor comeback attempt while slinking away.


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