Julien Gauthier for bottom 6

Agree on ditching Keefe. After 4 years and we still get sloppy execution of whatever plan he has, bloody poor line changes, constant blender of lines, and utterly outcoached. He is a decent nhl/very good minors coach but this team needs a new focus and voice. Its just time to move on.
- Roadrunner75

I thought they should have bounced keefe a while ago, unfortunately now, its not happening until after the season

I thought they should have bounced keefe a while ago, unfortunately now, its not happening until after the season
- Fakepartofme

There was nothing, imho, to justify Keefe staying when they decided to get rid of Dubas.

"If I was looking for a coach, he'd be the best candidate available". Really Treliving?

Imagine the (frank)ing fire behind the bench if you guys had hired Patrick Roy... and I'm saying that knowing full well how much this hire would have pissed off Habs fans.

There was nothing, imho, to justify Keefe staying when they decided to get rid of Dubas.

"If I was looking for a coach, he'd be the best candidate available". Really Treliving?

Imagine the (frank)ing fire behind the bench if you guys had hired Patrick Roy... and I'm saying that knowing full well how much this hire would have pissed off Habs fans.

- Scabeh

a guy who whined and quit on the Avs. A guy that whined and quit on the habs. Just what these clowns need is a master at the art

a guy who WON on the Avs. A guy that WON on the habs. Just what these clowns need is a master at the art
- drexel

Fixed.

They do need a (frank)ing winner.

Fixed.

They do need a (frank)ing winner.
- Scabeh

I could have won in net with the Avs. But yeah good player, garbage human

Golf clap for you on this.

This was excellent and seemed to have resulted in a loser west coast troll mumbling a piss poor comeback attempt while slinking away.



- Cush29

You nailed it!!

I sure was trolling about that TV series!!

I understand your statement. I just think you can't really reset when you've got all your draft picks playing in their prime. We already did the whole "load up" thing. We got knies and Woll. What more do we need from picks that wont play for like 3 to 5 years?
- Aaron_85

Knies? You mean what more do we need other than knies and his 17pts this season and career 0.36ppgs so far?
Contenders continually bring up players like him every few years....in order to continually contend.
5 years?
Knies was drafted in 2021 and began playing in 2022/23.
Not every draft pick needs 3 -6 years.
The leafs dont need a full reset, but more of a replenish. Dubas burned alot of draft capitol.

Fixed.

They do need a (frank)ing winner.
- Scabeh

Just because someone was a great player doesn't translate into them being a great coach.

See Wayne Gretzky.

Also it does not translate into them being a good person - see Patrick Roy.

He wasn't even a very good coach on his 3 year run with the Av's (sure Jack Adams in year one but then Jack poop in years 2 and 3) and unless he really changed his attitude he won't be a good NHL coach the 2nd time through. Good Jr. coach I guess - alot easier to intimidate or sorry motivate and coach players when they are teenagers than full grown men who are professionals.

Time will tell I guess.

Oh you mean the same Tampa team that got swept by the blue jackets in round 1? Also Tampa was the president's trophy winner that year. It was the year prior by the way. Not like that isn't dismal or anything...nope...not failure. I guess that's winning.

yeah I guess we can all live in revisionist history so we can make our points!
- Aaron_85

They went to the con finals the two years before and the finals the year before they got tossed in the first round.
So theyve won rounds in the playoffs. The comparison doesnt work, its reaching.

You nailed it!!

I sure was trolling about that TV series!!
- golfingsince

The fact you are here reinforces 2 things:

1. The little brother syndrome you have as a Canucks fan letting those Maple Leafs and their fans live in your head rent free 24/7 to the point that you have to come here to yap.

2. That Toronto is and always will be the centre of the hockey universe. Sorry if that hurts you.

Just because someone was a great player doesn't translate into them being a great coach.

See Wayne Gretzky.

Also it does not translate into them being a good person - see Patrick Roy.

He wasn't even a very good coach on his 3 year run with the Av's (sure Jack Adams in year one but then Jack poop in years 2 and 3) and unless he really changed his attitude he won't be a good NHL coach the 2nd time through. Good Jr. coach I guess - alot easier to intimidate or sorry motivate and coach players when they are teenagers than full grown men who are professionals.

Time will tell I guess.
- Cush29

You're not giving the man enough credit. The job he did with the Ramparts in Quebec speaks for itself.

He did bring alot from an Avalanche team full of holes and I think he can definetely be a good coach in the NHL. He's the kind of guy you want if you think your team needs to be pushed more at least.

Now I'm not saying he's perfect, there's a reason he wasn't hired in Montreal either. He's kind of a maniac at times but all the very great athletes are in their own way.

The rentals are not working. The Tbay trade models for Hagel and Jeannot are what they should be considering. Give up more assets, for young players that you will have for years.

There was nothing, imho, to justify Keefe staying when they decided to get rid of Dubas.

"If I was looking for a coach, he'd be the best candidate available". Really Treliving?

Imagine the (frank)ing fire behind the bench if you guys had hired Patrick Roy... and I'm saying that knowing full well how much this hire would have pissed off Habs fans.

- Scabeh

Not sure roy would be answer, not a great track record as a nhl coach.

The rentals are not working. The Tbay trade models for Hagel and Jeannot are what they should be considering. Give up more assets, for young players that you will have for years.
- TincupCanuck

The jeannot trade is still a horrible overpayment imo.
Dont care how many years of control he came with.
But i agree, we've done 4 years of rentals, hasnt worked out that well.

Not sure roy would be answer, not a great track record as a nhl coach.
- Fakepartofme

The way it ended in Colorado was pretty bad.

He's gotten a new chance now with the Islanders, one he cannot mess up.

The way it ended in Colorado was pretty bad.

He's gotten a new chance now with the Islanders, one he cannot mess up.
- Scabeh

The isles are a good team for him to try and get back into the league. Old school lou as gm and the team isnt expected to win the cup.

You're not giving the man enough credit. The job he did with the Ramparts in Quebec speaks for itself.

He did bring alot from an Avalanche team full of holes and I think he can definetely be a good coach in the NHL. He's the kind of guy you want if you think your team needs to be pushed more at least.

Now I'm not saying he's perfect, there's a reason he wasn't hired in Montreal either. He's kind of a maniac at times but all the very great athletes are in their own way.
- Scabeh

He was the coach of the Ramparts for 13 seasons (with a 3 year break in there to coach the Avs).

1 Championship
Lost in round 1 twice
Lost in round 2 x 5 times
Lost in round 3 x 3 times
Lost in the finals once
1 season no playoffs due to Covid

Like I said good Jr. coach but (IMO) not great and good Jr coaches are a different thing than being a good professional coach in that coaching teenagers is much different than coaching professionals.

Was he every offered an AHL coaching job and declined it? Seems odd that he jumped from Jr. to NHL and then back to Jr and never coached a day in the AHL.

I agree he is a coach that will push players - he also is a hot head.

Leafs tried the 'tough coach' with Babs and it failed, maybe it was because the stars of this team were still themselves kids? I just don't see Roy being the coaching guru many seem to feel he is because of his Jr. coaching success.

Like I said I guess time will tell us if he really is a great NHL coach or not

the punishment for not paying that is 18 mins in jail
- senstroll

Wow. MLSE will go to any lengths to Robidas Island bad contracts!

He was the coach of the Ramparts for 13 seasons (with a 3 year break in there to coach the Avs).

1 Championship
Lost in round 1 twice
Lost in round 2 x 5 times
Lost in round 3 x 3 times
Lost in the finals once
1 season no playoffs due to Covid

Like I said good Jr. coach but (IMO) not great and good Jr coaches are a different thing than being a good professional coach in that coaching teenagers is much different than coaching professionals.

Was he every offered an AHL coaching job and declined it? Seems odd that he jumped from Jr. to NHL and then back to Jr and never coached a day in the AHL.

I agree he is a coach that will push players - he also is a hot head.

Leafs tried the 'tough coach' with Babs and it failed, maybe it was because the stars of this team were still themselves kids? I just don't see Roy being the coaching guru many seem to feel he is because of his Jr. coaching success.

Like I said I guess time will tell us if he really is a great NHL coach or not
- Cush29

The leafs did try the "tough coach" and it got them a record season in points and unexpectedly making the playoffs.
Unfortunately, that "tough coach" turned out to be a huge douche and bully when our main core were just kids.
I think a tough coach approach could work with this team, as long as he/she is respectful about it. Babs crossed some lines apparently.

Don't forget the hedman-like potential 30yo Parayko has.

Knies? You mean what more do we need other than knies and his 17pts this season and career 0.36ppgs so far?
Contenders continually bring up players like him every few years....in order to continually contend.
5 years?
Knies was drafted in 2021 and began playing in 2022/23.
Not every draft pick needs 3 -6 years.
The leafs dont need a full reset, but more of a replenish. Dubas burned alot of draft capitol.
- Fakepartofme

First off, Knies is in his first season and US College seasons are a quarter as long as the NHL season so it's pretty normal for these kids to get burnt out. That said, he doesn't get power play time and is still 8th among rookies in 5v5 scoring. He's doing ok. He has too many turnovers and falls down a bit too easily given his size - but he's very young. I think he projects to be a legitimate top-6 option.

Secondly contenders don't replenish as often you suggest.

The last time Tampa drafted a player they inserted into their lineup that made even a moderate impact was 2016 and that was Ross Colton.

The last time Colorado did it was 2019 when they drafted Bowen Byram 4th overall or 2017 when they drafted Cale Makar 4th overall. All you need to do is completely tank or tank and trade Matt Duchesne to Ottawa and then have Ottawa get a top-10 pick that slides to the next year for an unprotected top-10 pick (being fair Ottawa was either giving Colorado Brady Tkachuk or Bowen Byram the way things played out for them).

Boston? I guess they drafted Matt Poitras in 2022. He made the team this year which was a surprise, but I'm not a gigantic fan of his game. We'll see if he makes a bigger impact. But really the last guy for them was drafted in 2016 - McAvoy.

Maybe you mean Vegas since they did just win a cup and haven't even been around that long. Of course the only guy they've ever drafted who is doing anything for THEM is Nick Hague and he has 14 goals in 266 games. I mean Vegas did draft Suzuki, Glass, Brannstrom and Krebs - but they obviously completely burned out all of their draft capital.

If contenders were constantly replenishing from within they would stay contenders forever. None of them do. You go up, you come down. It's what you do while you're up that matters. You can do things that allow you to stay up a little longer - but those things may prevent you from reaching your ceiling.

Or you can rely on puncher's luck like the Blues or Capitals.

But if teams are serious about winning the cup, once they feel they have an established chance - they spend the assets they have to give themselves a shot because for the most part the acquisition of those players will do more for you now than the picks will while you're burning bright.

The leafs did try the "tough coach" and it got them a record season in points and unexpectedly making the playoffs.
Unfortunately, that "tough coach" turned out to be a huge douche and bully when our main core were just kids.
I think a tough coach approach could work with this team, as long as he/she is respectful about it. Babs crossed some lines apparently.
- Fakepartofme

They should be considering Dale Hunter. With his coaching with the London Knights and having many of his graduates already on the Leafs, it only makes sense. He's no nonsense and knows players like Marner and Domi and what buttons to push. It's time to move on from Keefe and have a new voice and vision in the coaching position.

new blog everyone

First off, Knies is in his first season and US College seasons are a quarter as long as the NHL season so it's pretty normal for these kids to get burnt out. That said, he doesn't get power play time and is still 8th among rookies in 5v5 scoring. He's doing ok. He has too many turnovers and falls down a bit too easily given his size - but he's very young. I think he projects to be a legitimate top-6 option.

Secondly contenders don't replenish as often you suggest.

The last time Tampa drafted a player they inserted into their lineup that made even a moderate impact was 2016 and that was Ross Colton.

The last time Colorado did it was 2019 when they drafted Bowen Byram 4th overall or 2017 when they drafted Cale Makar 4th overall. All you need to do is completely tank or tank and trade Matt Duchesne to Ottawa and then have Ottawa get a top-10 pick that slides to the next year for an unprotected top-10 pick (being fair Ottawa was either giving Colorado Brady Tkachuk or Bowen Byram the way things played out for them).

Boston? I guess they drafted Matt Poitras in 2022. He made the team this year which was a surprise, but I'm not a gigantic fan of his game. We'll see if he makes a bigger impact. But really the last guy for them was drafted in 2016 - McAvoy.

Maybe you mean Vegas since they did just win a cup and haven't even been around that long. Of course the only guy they've ever drafted who is doing anything for THEM is Nick Hague and he has 14 goals in 266 games. I mean Vegas did draft Suzuki, Glass, Brannstrom and Krebs - but they obviously completely burned out all of their draft capital.

If contenders were constantly replenishing from within they would stay contenders forever. None of them do. You go up, you come down. It's what you do while you're up that matters. You can do things that allow you to stay up a little longer - but those things may prevent you from reaching your ceiling.

Or you can rely on puncher's luck like the Blues or Capitals.

But if teams are serious about winning the cup, once they feel they have an established chance - they spend the assets they have to give themselves a shot because for the most part the acquisition of those players will do more for you now than the picks will while you're burning bright.
- Monkeypunk

Didnt say there was anything wrong with Knies.
Didnt say contenders replenish "often", but they dont go all in every year. Just suggested leafs dont wasted draft capitol this year.
The leafs were supposed to have drafted two top 4 dmen; lili and sandin.....that hasnt come to fruition...they have some possible upcoming draftees that may or may not make the line up next year or the year after. But no harm in keeping some items in the cupboard until we know for sure.

Again, didnt say contenders replenish often, just that in order to continuously contend, they need some growth from within and do not go all in every year. Specially when they havent succeeded in 4 attempts.

If the leafs go on heater the next 3 weeks, play more consistent and you can get a piece with term then by all means. Give her.