The Flyers philosophy of always trying to win have been colossally and epically bad decisions. Is there a difference between bad and poor decisions?

- MJL

no difference. Again, there is nothing wrong with always trying to win, but it's in the execution. I'm in agreement with you, if the Flyers go back to how Clarke and Holmgren ran the team they will fail. However I also believe if they go back to how Hextall ran the team, they will fail. If they go to pure incompetence as they got with Fletcher, they surely will fail. I like what Briere and Jones are doing here so far, I think they are on the right track.

There is a difference between wanting to develop a winning culture and poor execution. Mr. Snider had one goal and one expectation, to win the Cup. This permeated throughout the organization for decades. The Flyers had chances to win and couldn't cross the finish line, but until his death, the Flyers were always in the conversation. Once Dave Scott took over, things changed for the worse. Poor decisions, poor execution, sprinkle in some bad luck and things really went downhill, but the underlying culture or desire to win was still there. Having a culture that expects to win and compete for a cup does not guarantee a cup but it does engage the fan base and support an environment that players want to be a part of, as we saw for decades before Scott took over.
- jd250

Do yourself a favor and actually dive into and invest some actual thought into understanding what your first sentence here actually says. If you do and apply some intelligence, maybe you'll come to the understanding that this BS your constantly spewing is just that. Complete nonsense and BS.

the flyers way is a losing way. Dem the facts.

the path they are on now will continue those ways, until proven otherwise.

Buffalo has bad ownership and bad management. Why don't you ever mention that? that is why they suck and will continue to suck. Though as Cliff said would gladly trade their roster, players under contract, and picks/prospects for the flyers players in the same category.
- hello it's me 2050

I agree also, would gladly change our team for buffalo Dahlin, Thompson right there they have a no1 dman and center we have neither. They also have Powers to anchor there 2nd d pairing, we have a york. They have a pipeline of young forward coming in the next 2 years we have none.



I would take Sam over any of there goalie though even Levi.


Buffalo's management was a joke but in the last 3 years since his wife no longer is a part of the team it has rebounded. Decent management decent coach I still believe they need to make a goalie upgrade and Markstrom from Calgary would be perfect.

no difference. Again, there is nothing wrong with always trying to win, but it's in the execution. I'm in agreement with you, if the Flyers go back to how Clarke and Holmgren ran the team they will fail. However I also believe if they go back to how Hextall ran the team, they will fail. If they go to pure incompetence as they got with Fletcher, they surely will fail. I like what Briere and Jones are doing here so far, I think they are on the right track.
- jd250

Right, no difference. Now examine how you contradicted yourself in that previous post. Yes, there is something wrong with always trying to win. The Flyers are the poster child for that. You always think the Flyers are on the right track. Trust me, they're not.

no difference. Again, there is nothing wrong with always trying to win, but it's in the execution. I'm in agreement with you, if the Flyers go back to how Clarke and Holmgren ran the team they will fail. However I also believe if they go back to how Hextall ran the team, they will fail. If they go to pure incompetence as they got with Fletcher, they surely will fail. I like what Briere and Jones are doing here so far, I think they are on the right track.
- jd250

I would like to see you lay it out for me on what they have done that you like. What is your definition of on the right track?

The TDL this year will be the telltale if this team truly is committed to rebuilding or is just blowing smoke everyones arse.


We have at least 4 players who should move and another 5 we should try to move.


Stall
Seeler
Walker
Laughton


Coots
Risto
Sanheim
Atkinson
TK

Where do the Flyers rank in terms of regular season wins, playoff wins and cups all time among the league’s history?

The TDL this year will be the telltale if this team truly is committed to rebuilding or is just blowing smoke everyones arse.


We have at least 4 players who should move and another 5 we should try to move.


Stall
Seeler
Walker
Laughton


Coots
Risto
Sanheim
Atkinson
TK
- Flyerloon

Maybe Walker. And if the Flyers don’t get back an asset they like they will keep him. Otherwise quiet deadline for the non-rebuilding Flyers.

Don't forget that Mr. Snider operated in a time before the salary cap. It was "easier" for him to dump money into getting top players. Almost every year, we were adding some free agents. Sometimes trading away homegrown prospects for pieces. We were spoiled. We had an owner that wanted a Cup as much as we did and spent money to make it happen. Organizations have to be built differently now because of the salary cap.

While DB and Jonesy have brought a little of Mr. Snider's passion back, they have to deal with the salary cap. That forces organizations to value prospects more than we have in the past. And draft picks. It's a different approach to the "glory days."

I absolutely agree it is a different feel without Mr. Snider in charge, but we cannot forget about the new era of the NHL.

I understand that Laughton has not had a great season offensively but what has Poehling done offensively in his career? He has a career high 17 points in the NHL. Scott Laughton has been a big part of the Flyers PK which is a big reason for the Flyers improvement this season.
- MJL

I'm just looking at it from Poehling's time here with the Flyers. I understand it might be splitting hairs but Poehling's 18 minutes to Laughton's 10 or 12 is about the 50th thing I care about concerning this team.

I'm just looking at it from Poehling's time here with the Flyers. I understand it might be splitting hairs but Poehling's 18 minutes to Laughton's 10 or 12 is about the 50th thing I care about concerning this team.
- Pelle31Forever

It ranks much higher up for me. It's the most current and recent example of how Tortorella loves to overplay lower skilled grinders over certain type of players with a much higher talent and skill level. It's part of why the Flyers are going no where under Tortorella.

It ranks much higher up for me. It's the most current and recent example of how Tortorella loves to overplay lower skilled grinders over certain type of players with a much higher talent and skill level. It's part of why the Flyers are going nowhere under Tortorella.
- MJL

Laughton has a "much higher talent and skill level?"

you have shown ZERO ability to assess anything in the sport of hockey

It ranks much higher up for me. It's the most current and recent example of how Tortorella loves to overplay lower skilled grinders over certain type of players with a much higher talent and skill level. It's part of why the Flyers are going no where under Tortorella.
- MJL

Agree Cliff. He falls in love while telling the fanbase not to.

What happened to Laughts between last year and this year?
- rayc16

Can't say and I'm not even sure Laughton himself knows. If he did he wouldn't be this bad. Maybe it's mental?

Can't say and I'm not even sure Laughton himself knows. If he did he wouldn't be this bad. Maybe it's mental?
- Pelle31Forever

Opportunity is a part of it. He just hasn't played well offensively this year compared to past seasons.

Can't say and I'm not even sure Laughton himself knows. If he did he wouldn't be this bad. Maybe it's mental?
- Pelle31Forever

I bet we find out at the end of the year he has an injury, maybe needs surgery.

Opportunity is a part of it. He just hasn't played well offensively this year compared to past seasons.
- MJL

For sure. However taking 3 penalties in a game isn't doing yourself any favors either.

I bet we find out at the end of the year he has an injury, maybe needs surgery.
- rayc16

It's possible but I don't see anything noticeable. It's February I'm sure everyone is a little dinged/sore.

Where do the Flyers rank in terms of regular season wins, playoff wins and cups all time among the league’s history?
- roenick97

Since teams came into the league at various different junctures -- Philly being in the group of six that entered the league when it doubled from six to 12 teams in 1967 -- it doesn't really make much sense to rank the way you ask.

That being said, among all NHL teams, only the Montreal Canadiens got to 2,000 wins faster in their franchise history than the Flyers. You know that Philly has won two Cups and probably know they've reached the Stanley Cup Final eight times. May or may not know they reached at least the Cup Semis/Conference Final 15 times (six straight times between 1973 to 1978, 1980, 1985, 1987, 1995, 1997, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2010).

It should also be said that long Cup droughts are far from exclusive to the Flyers. Every team goes through it Every franchise that has ever existed, excluding the ones who are either not yet that or are at least 30 years and have a Cup to their credit (Anaheim in 2006-07), has at some point in its history gone 30 years or more without winning a Cup or only won one in a span of 30 or more seasons.

Toronto is still second in total Stanley Cup championships (13) but not only have they not won a Cup since the final season of the six-team NHL (1966-67), they haven't gotten back to the Cup Final since then (57 years if they don't do it this season. Rangers have one Cup in the last 83 years. The Blues came into the NHL at the same time as the Flyers, and have only one Cup (2019). Ditto the North Stars/Stars/ Vancouver came into the NHL in 1970, and have never won the Cup.

Nature of the beast. And the teams that are on top now have nothing to crow about because history shows, time and time and time again, that their day will come when when they's spent 25-, 30- , even 40-plus years trying to get back on top again.


Nature of the beast.

Since teams came into the league at various different junctures -- Philly being in the group of six that entered the league when it doubled from six to 12 teams in 1967 -- it doesn't really make much sense to rank the way you ask.

That being said, among all NHL teams, only the Montreal Canadiens got to 2,000 wins faster in their franchise history than the Flyers. You know that Philly has won two Cups and probably know they've reached the Stanley Cup Final eight times. May or may not know they reached at least the Cup Semis/Conference Final 15 times (six straight times between 1973 to 1978, 1980, 1985, 1987, 1995, 1997, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2010).

It should also be said that long Cup droughts are far from exclusive to the Flyers. Every team goes through it Every franchise that has ever existed, excluding the ones who are either not yet that or are at least 30 years and have a Cup to their credit (Anaheim in 2006-07), has at some point in its history gone 30 years or more without winning a Cup or only won one in a span of 30 or more seasons.

Toronto is still second in total Stanley Cup championships (13) but not only have they not won a Cup since the final season of the six-team NHL (1966-67), they haven't gotten back to the Cup Final since then (57 years if they don't do it this season. Rangers have one Cup in the last 83 years. The Blues came into the NHL at the same time as the Flyers, and have only one Cup (2019). Ditto the North Stars/Stars/ Vancouver came into the NHL in 1970, and have never won the Cup.

Nature of the beast. And the teams that are on top now have nothing to crow about because history shows, time and time and time again, that their day will come when when they's spent 25-, 30- , even 40-plus years trying to get back on top again.


Nature of the beast.
- bmeltzer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oiuKOSac-c

Do yourself a favor and actually dive into and invest some actual thought into understanding what your first sentence here actually says. If you do and apply some intelligence, maybe you'll come to the understanding that this BS your constantly spewing is just that. Complete nonsense and BS.
- MJL

I can see you really invested some thought into this response. Do yourself a favor and resist responding when the topic is way over your head!

Start here today...

There have been rumors that the Ducks could be open to moving Zegras. The Rangers have Kakko they could put in the deal. The Flyers (who already traded for Zegras close friend Drysdale) are also rumored heavily to be trying to bring him in...

Start here today...

There have been rumors that the Ducks could be open to moving Zegras. The Rangers have Kakko they could put in the deal. The Flyers (who already traded for Zegras close friend Drysdale) are also rumored heavily to be trying to bring him in...
- hello it's me 2050

God no, do not trade for that kid

God no, do not trade for that kid
- ClaudeFather

Zegras and Torts together?

I can see you really invested some thought into this response. Do yourself a favor and resist responding when the topic is way over your head!
- jd250

There is a history and a public record. Which proves that you have zero standing to tell anyone that anything is over their head. I wasn't expecting you to actually figure it out. Believe me.