Willie riding the rocket today.
Betcha the kid is over the moon, if he just so happened to have been there

https://twitter.com/Maple...arAGcUrNf26_1d8SHbmA&s=19

Any raps fans?


-" **The Toronto Raptors receive:**
- Kelly Olynyk
- Ochai Agbaji

- **The Utah Jazz receive:**
- Kira Lewis
- Otto Porter
- A 2024 first-round pick"
- Fakepartofme

Might as well trade for Wiggins too
Go full Canadian

Any raps fans?


-" **The Toronto Raptors receive:**
- Kelly Olynyk
- Ochai Agbaji

- **The Utah Jazz receive:**
- Kira Lewis
- Otto Porter
- A 2024 first-round pick"
- Fakepartofme

is this a good trade? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

given up a 1st, I hope it ain't the Raptors 1st.

is this a good trade? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

given up a 1st, I hope it ain't the Raptors 1st.
- dmnted

It will be a very late first

Willie riding the rocket today.
Betcha the kid is over the moon, if he just so happened to have been there

https://twitter.com/Maple...arAGcUrNf26_1d8SHbmA&s=19
- Fakepartofme

That's awesome.

Great morale boost for the TTC too after all the poop that went down since the pandemic. But that's Willy, going to the dirty areas.

I hope this investigation isn't a specific type but I fear it may be....

https://ca.sports.yahoo.c...hart-under-220651818.html

Apologies if I barged into your convo, didn't really realize I had done so TBH and I probably called out some things from times other than last night / today and if so I apologize to you and Fake.

I got home late, backread all the BS on here and decided I wanted to speak up on a lot of it and call out the debbie downer bs if feels like we have to endure endlessly.

Agreed on Tre's track record being pretty m'eh at best and Kadri's deal being pretty bad also.

Someone else said it here but I too am a bit scared of what Tre does at the TDL, he may try do something big and it set the Leafs back further than anyone here wants.

God I hope not and the saving grace is he is still new enough he can point to the last GM and say "I'm still cleaning up the last guys mess" if the team doesn't go deep in the playoffs vs feeling he has to do something out of desperation this year.
- Cush29

all good

Even if the Leafs lose because of it?

You think it’s more important for guys who are already overpaid to pad their stats rather than focus on building a strong team game, suitable for playoff success?

You and I watch hockey for two very different reasons.

Team success is all that matters.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Nylander was even because two of his points were on the PP and they don't affect +/-. It's important to have a buzzing PP, (which we now do after a long drought), and then the guy goes out and scores the game winner. Solid game by any metric.

Willie riding the rocket today.
Betcha the kid is over the moon, if he just so happened to have been there

https://twitter.com/Maple...arAGcUrNf26_1d8SHbmA&s=19
- Fakepartofme

He's our forever

is this a good trade? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

given up a 1st, I hope it ain't the Raptors 1st.
- dmnted

No, it's the worst of like 3 firsts the Raps acquired. Plus, firsts in the NBA don't mean anything.

That's awesome.

Great morale boost for the TTC too after all the poop that went down since the pandemic. But that's Willy, going to the dirty areas.
- Zezel

That's awesome.

WTF is going on with public transit across Canada?!? Stabbings, pushings, shootings, all the ings!

That's awesome.

WTF is going on with public transit across Canada?!? Stabbings, pushings, shootings, all the ings!
- Whipper

It got bad during the pandemic in Toronto. Some really horrifying incidents. Transit has become a defacto shelter for the mentally ill, that's part of it. It's easier to sneak onto it now than it used to be.

A while back I saw three cops get on a streetcar looking for someone, and one of the cops was toting a tactical rifle which was unusual. I think we need a combo of more available help for addiction and mental illness, and the cops could hand out some tazings to hobos to make a point.

It got bad during the pandemic in Toronto. Some really horrifying incidents. Transit has become a defacto shelter for the mentally ill, that's part of it. It's easier to sneak onto it now than it used to be.

A while back I saw three cops get on a streetcar looking for someone, and one of the cops was toting a tactical rifle which was unusual. I think we need a combo of more available help for addiction and mental illness, and the cops could hand out some tazings to hobos to make a point.
- Zezel

Mental illness is becoming a HUGE problem everywhere lately. It's no big deal for the Leaf fan base though, we've been dealing with that issue for decades.

Mental illness is becoming a HUGE problem everywhere lately. It's no big deal for the Leaf fan base though, we've been dealing with that issue for decades.
- Whipper

Lol yep. There's not enough lithium in the universe for our bipolar disorder.

It got bad during the pandemic in Toronto. Some really horrifying incidents. Transit has become a defacto shelter for the mentally ill, that's part of it. It's easier to sneak onto it now than it used to be.

A while back I saw three cops get on a streetcar looking for someone, and one of the cops was toting a tactical rifle which was unusual. I think we need a combo of more available help for addiction and mental illness, and the cops could hand out some tazings to hobos to make a point.
- Zezel

I was literally just typing the same thing (the start of your post), it's the mentally ill but also people who are not mentally ill but are homeless. Transit stations (and vehicles to some degree) offer shelter from the elements, heat/ac, washrooms, and places to plug in phones etc.

Many homeless people refuse to go into shelters claiming it's less safe than the streets but there is also a shortage of shelter space that contributes to the issue.

The changes to how those with mental illness are 'helped' changed a long time ago (like 30 years ago) to where it's more of a 'catch and release' system (for lack of a better term).

People are brought to the hospital by police under a mental health concern. Hospital staff evaluate and if the person is deemed not to be a harm to themselves or others at that time they are sent on their way. No in depth or prolonged evaluation is donne to see if 2 minutes after they leave they will go and threaten or worse hurt someone or themselves. The hospital's are not staffed adequately or have the space to do much more like they used to when they would hold people for longer etc.

I will say this - police by nature of their job are not the right folks to deal with people who are suffering from some mental illness or addiction, they are there to enforce laws so that is about the extent we should expect them to be experts at.

There is a need for far more mental health professionals and addiction experts out on the streets dealing with people. Either at the same time as police if the individual is doing 'something' that necessitates a police response aka breaking the law in some way or just for folks who need the help but have not broken any laws etc.

Big investment but having police deal with this stuff is just a set up for failure in many cases IMO.

I had no clue this was the case and it most certainly wasn't reported by the sports media who had been gushing about the Oilers streak while lamenting the Leafs not wining enough games in regulation. lol

Had it been the Leafs streak and not the Oiilers I'm sure some super awesome hockey talkers would have come here to point this out to everyone many times over.

I had no clue this was the case and it most certainly wasn't reported by the sports media who had been gushing about the Oilers streak while lamenting the Leafs not wining enough games in regulation. lol

Had it been the Leafs streak and not the Oiilers I'm sure some super awesome hockey talkers would have come here to point this out to everyone many times over.




- Cush29

How are the Leafs doing against teams ranked 20-32? Honestly don't know but based on comments I see on this thread, seems to be an issue often

I was literally just typing the same thing (the start of your post), it's the mentally ill but also people who are not mentally ill but are homeless. Transit stations (and vehicles to some degree) offer shelter from the elements, heat/ac, washrooms, and places to plug in phones etc.

Many homeless people refuse to go into shelters claiming it's less safe than the streets but there is also a shortage of shelter space that contributes to the issue.

The changes to how those with mental illness are 'helped' changed a long time ago (like 30 years ago) to where it's more of a 'catch and release' system (for lack of a better term).

People are brought to the hospital by police under a mental health concern. Hospital staff evaluate and if the person is deemed not to be a harm to themselves or others at that time they are sent on their way. No in depth or prolonged evaluation is donne to see if 2 minutes after they leave they will go and threaten or worse hurt someone or themselves. The hospital's are not staffed adequately or have the space to do much more like they used to when they would hold people for longer etc.

I will say this - police by nature of their job are not the right folks to deal with people who are suffering from some mental illness or addiction, they are there to enforce laws so that is about the extent we should expect them to be experts at.

There is a need for far more mental health professionals and addiction experts out on the streets dealing with people. Either at the same time as police if the individual is doing 'something' that necessitates a police response aka breaking the law in some way or just for folks who need the help but have not broken any laws etc.

Big investment but having police deal with this stuff is just a set up for failure in many cases IMO.
- Cush29

Agree with all of this. Our understanding of and approach to dealing with mental illness has improved but has a really long way to go.

I do suspect that Toronto Police increased their undercover presence in the system in response to the rash of highly publicized incidents, and it seems to have improved, but it's the underlying problems that need addressing.

How are the Leafs doing against teams ranked 20-32? Honestly don't know but based on comments I see on this thread, seems to be an issue often
- Symba007

Likely 0-16

I had no clue this was the case and it most certainly wasn't reported by the sports media who had been gushing about the Oilers streak while lamenting the Leafs not wining enough games in regulation. lol

Had it been the Leafs streak and not the Oiilers I'm sure some super awesome hockey talkers would have come here to point this out to everyone many times over.




- Cush29

As a Leaf fan banished to Oiler country, I was telling everyone that listened that the streak, while impressive, was against primarily REALLY bad teams. They beat LA at the beginning of their downward spiral, they beat the Leafs when they were down bad, and they beat I believe the Rangers, which was just about their only legit win.

I kept telling people I wouldn't acknowledge their streak unless they beat Vegas, and alas...

is this a good trade? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

given up a 1st, I hope it ain't the Raptors 1st.
- dmnted

I'm not a basketball fan, but my son is - so I've been trying to pay a bit of attention so that when he talks to me about it I can actually talk about it - instead of just saying, "Basketball isn't a sport. Let's talk about something better."

The 1st is the lower of the Clippers or Thunder picks that the Raps had acquired. Olynyk is decent for a big guy, but his contract is up at the end of the year, so the real player the Raps may be after is the Agbaji guy - who was the #14 pick in 2022, a first-team all-American and voted the Big 12 player of the year in 2022.

They also say it's a weak draft, so that pick is likely not going to be very good.

As a Leaf fan banished to Oiler country, I was telling everyone that listened that the streak, while impressive, was against primarily REALLY bad teams. They beat LA at the beginning of their downward spiral, they beat the Leafs when they were down bad, and they beat I believe the Rangers, which was just about their only legit win.

I kept telling people I wouldn't acknowledge their streak unless they beat Vegas, and alas...
- Whipper

Now if the Leafs could only find a way to beat really bad teams while continuing to beat really good teams, the tone in here would change greatly.

Don't look now, but the Leafs are top 10 in the league. Get to work Tre.

Likely 0-16
- Whipper

As a Leaf fan banished to Oiler country, I was telling everyone that listened that the streak, while impressive, was against primarily REALLY bad teams. They beat LA at the beginning of their downward spiral, they beat the Leafs when they were down bad, and they beat I believe the Rangers, which was just about their only legit win.

I kept telling people I wouldn't acknowledge their streak unless they beat Vegas, and alas...
- Whipper

There are a lot of very good teams in the NHL that have had incredibly easy schedules at times and none of them have come close to this degree of success. The hype is a bit crazy and Edmonton's media is sort of . . .awful - they go out of their way to get people who won't say a single negative thing about anything or anyone on the Oilers. It's sort of disturbing that they think the fanbase is that fragile - but I digress - the hype is crazy, but if you watch the team play, they have been playing really well. Closing gaps, checking tightly, moving the puck up ice in transition really smoothly and then gaining and controlling the O-Zone well with 3 of their lines. Lower competition or not, the Oilers have been dummying some of the opposition in these games even if the scoreboard doesn't reflect it.

I stand by an earlier comment which is that I think they are a Cup finalist this year, but I thought the Leafs could be, too. There's a real problem with the Leafs' D, though - and it's not that they suck - it's that this year the style they've adopted in the D-Zone is entirely too passive. No one is closing gaps. I don't understand what is happening but it's bad to watch.

BTW - this is what Edmonton's D looked like before they fired that puppet that wanted to be a real boy who was masquerading as a coach.

Now if the Leafs could only find a way to beat really bad teams while continuing to beat really good teams, the tone in here would change greatly.

Don't look now, but the Leafs are top 10 in the league. Get to work Tre.
- Whipper

Yeah, but they're only top 10 because they play in an extremely weak league.