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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 10:33 PM ET
Nah .. Frost has to go, its best for him and the team. He is what he is, and IMO he's not good enough to be a real top 6 forward.
- jd250


Farabee is a player that you doubt can be a regular NHL player and is a 3rd liner at best, right?
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Feb 8 @ 10:36 PM ET
Farabee is a player that you doubt can be a regular NHL player and is a 3rd liner at best, right?
- MJL


Tell us again how much better Laughton is than RP?

Or how about your boy Phil Myers?

See we can all do this and it’s dumb
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 8 @ 10:39 PM ET
And Torts was absolutely right. If I were Torts I would give this team a bag skate tomorrow at practice. The team played like crap after the first period and that is unacceptable. This is the time of the year when the team needs to be playing 3 periods, not taking periods off! They are not good enough to take periods off! The Flyers got a couple of lucky goals in the 1st, nothing that I would be too proud of if I were them. I was pissed at the way this team played tonight, its unacceptable!
- jd250
I watched it. It's a natural tendency when you have a 4-0 lead and they were never truly threatened. I was somewhat annoyed that they sat back that much, but Torts took it to another level. I just found it to be comical.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 8 @ 10:41 PM ET
Oh, by the way. The second Flyers goal (TK's goal) was a puck luck goal. That's what a puck luck goal looks like. Thanks!
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 8 @ 10:42 PM ET
Yea, I'm not one to be critical of announcers, but Fridge is pretty bad. This is coming from someone who doesn't mind Hartnell. Most announcers grow on me, so I'm willing to give Fridge time and hope he improves by next season.
- Don Nachbaur
If you can stomach Hartnell I would think you can stomach about anyone. LOL! He's okay in the studio, but when he does the color in place of Booooosh I actually have to mute the TV.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 8 @ 10:47 PM ET
Farabee is a player that you doubt can be a regular NHL player and is a 3rd liner at best, right?
- MJL

I will post it again, I think Farabee is having a good year, good for him and good for the team. But overall my opinion of Farabee has not changed. I think he is an OK player with OK talent, nothing special. He is still young and maybe this is the beginning of him coming into his own and reaching his ceiling, but overall so far this is what I think of him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 10:49 PM ET
Tell us again how much better Laughton is than RP?

Or how about your boy Phil Myers?

See we can all do this and it’s dumb

- anti-lame


I will suspend ignoring you for just this once. You can change your screen name from Black Francis to anti-lame to try and escape the label of a fool but you will still be a fool. The discussion was on why Poehling had 18 minutes of ES ice time to 11 minutes to Frost. The player that is more highly skilled than Poehling is Frost, not Laughton.
You also don't have a clue of my opinon of Myers. You can't do this because you're an idiot and a fool, regardless of how many alt accounts you open. End of story.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 8 @ 10:54 PM ET
I watched it. It's a natural tendency when you have a 4-0 lead and they were never truly threatened. I was somewhat annoyed that they sat back that much, but Torts took it to another level. I just found it to be comical.
- Phillywhiteout

The Flyers were absolutely threatened in this game, and if it were not for Ersson's play from the end of the 1st period to the last seconds of the game, the Flyers would have lost this game. TK acknowledged this in his post-game presser. The Flyers have played 6 periods since the all-star break, 3 periods have been atrocious, sitting back, taking bad penalties and pretty much watching the other team play. That is unacceptable and Torts knows it!
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 8 @ 10:55 PM ET
I will suspend ignoring you for just this once. You can change your screen name from Black Francis to anti-lame to try and escape the label of a fool but you will still be a fool. The discussion was on why Poehling had 18 minutes of ES ice time to 11 minutes to Frost. The player that is more highly skilled than Poehling is Frost, not Laughton.
You also don't have a clue of my opinon of Myers. You can't do this because you're an idiot. End of story.

- MJL


Poehling had more minutes than most of the forwards tonight...

TK: 19:28
Tippett: 19:36
Poehling: 18:37
Coots: 17:03
Frost: 14:15
Farabee: 15:32
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 10:55 PM ET
I will post it again, I think Farabee is having a good year, good for him and good for the team. But overall my opinion of Farabee has not changed. I think he is an OK player with OK talent, nothing special. He is still young and maybe this is the beginning of him coming into his own and reaching his ceiling, but overall so far this is what I think of him.
- jd250


The beginning was three seasons ago, when he had a 20 goal 38 point season in only 55 games as a 20 year old. What has held him back is injuries. Now that he is healthy, he is now one of the better LW in the NHL. He is 13th in overall scoring and 4th in the league in EV scoring among all NHL left wings. His is a very good player with a high skill level. This is just another example of how clueless you are with a complete inability to accurately assess anything in the sport of hockey.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 8 @ 10:55 PM ET
I will suspend ignoring you for just this once. You can change your screen name from Black Francis to anti-lame to try and escape the label of a fool but you will still be a fool. The discussion was on why Poehling had 18 minutes of ES ice time to 11 minutes to Frost. The player that is more highly skilled than Poehling is Frost, not Laughton.
You also don't have a clue of my opinon of Myers. You can't do this because you're an idiot. End of story.

- MJL

Poehling played 18 minutes tonight because he played better than Frost. End of story.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 8 @ 10:57 PM ET
The beginning was three seasons ago, when he had a 20 goal 38 point season in only 55 games as a 20 year old. What has held him back is injuries. Now that he is healthy, he is now one of the better LW in the NHL. He is 13th in overall scoring and 4th in the league in EV scoring among all NHL left wings. His is a very good player with a high skill level. This is just another example of how clueless you are with a complete inability to accurately assess anything in the sport of hockey.
- MJL

I am inserting my finger in my cheek and making a popping sound! Farabee is nothing special. You like him because Hextall drafted him, just be honest, we all know it.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 8 @ 10:58 PM ET
Tell us again how much better Laughton is than RP?

Or how about your boy Phil Myers?

See we can all do this and it’s dumb

- anti-lame

I am starting to think Laughton is playing bad on purpose (another stupid penalty tonight) just so he won't get traded ...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 10:59 PM ET
Poehling played 18 minutes tonight because he played better than Frost. End of story.
- jd250


Of course he did LOL. He played better the previous game also LOL. Poehling made some offensive plays tonight. So did Frost. What evidence do you have that Poehling played better than Frost? Poehling is just another grinder that Tortorella can overplay.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 8 @ 11:00 PM ET
The Flyers were absolutely threatened in this game, and if it were not for Ersson's play from the end of the 1st period to the last seconds of the game, the Flyers would have lost this game. TK acknowledged this in his post-game presser. The Flyers have played 6 periods since the all-star break, 3 periods have been atrocious, sitting back, taking bad penalties and pretty much watching the other team play. That is unacceptable and Torts knows it!
- jd250
I can't really argue cause the Flyers were very lazy and sloppy with the puck (especially after they got up 4-0), but luckily the Jets are in one of those slumps where no one on their team can find the back of the net. They have been atrocious in the last 5 games.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 11:01 PM ET
I am inserting my finger in my cheek and making a popping sound! Farabee is nothing special. You like him because Hextall drafted him, just be honest, we all know it.
- jd250


Yea, his scoring level and the quality of his play have nothing to do with it. Your reply here makes you look even worse than you normally do. It's an unintelligent reply.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 8 @ 11:02 PM ET
Of course he did LOL. He played better the previous game also LOL. Poehling made some offensive plays tonight. So did Frost. What evidence do you have that Poehling played better than Frost? Poehling is just another grinder that Tortorella can overplay.
- MJL
Poehling had a very good game tonight. You can't take that away from him. I certainly noticed him more than Frost. That's not to say that Frost was bad, but Poehling seemed to be all over the place. Of course, the next game he could be completely invisible.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 8 @ 11:02 PM ET
It's called score effects and it's very common in the sport of hockey. When they got up 4-0, the game was essentially over. An 82 game season is a long season and a grind. Need to conserve energy at certain points and certain game situations. When the score gets lop sided, almost inevitably, one team will sit back and the team that is behind will carry play. The game ended 4-1 Flyers. Tortorella needs to chill out and I don't know what he said but just taking the cue from what is posted here. The Flyers got a couple of good bounces on goals tonight but that happens when you control play and get the puck to the net sometimes. This Flyers team has played with heart and great effort all season. So they coasted with a 4-0 lead. It's making something out of nothing.
- MJL

Torts didn't say much in his post game, and then just left before the final question. He is upset with the way the team played, and so am I. The Bruins had a 4-0 lead against Vancouver at home tonight, but they didn't coast. They didn't try to score more goals, but they also didn't just sit back and watch the other team play either. There is a difference between coasting with a lead (which at this level is a VERY dangerous thing to do) and playing sound hockey with the lead. The Bruins tonight played sound hockey and shut Vancouver out. The Flyers hung on thanks to Ersson. Two very different things, but then again I would not expect you to really see the difference.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 8 @ 11:04 PM ET
Yea, his scoring level and the quality of his play have nothing to do with it. Your reply here makes you look even worse than you normally do. It's an unintelligent reply.
- MJL

Its 11pm and I just don't have the energy to argue with you. I will give you one thing over me, your stamina and ability to argue is second to none.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 11:07 PM ET
Poehling had a very good game tonight. You can't take that away from him. I certainly noticed him more than Frost. That's not to say that Frost was bad, but Poehling seemed to be all over the place. Of course, the next game he could be completely invisible.
- Phillywhiteout



He had a very good first period, so did Frost. So did the entire team. Noticing him more or less or any player is completely subjective and biased. Both players had a strong first period. There is no factual information to support that Poehling was better than Frost in the game. To the bigger point. Poehling is a bottom 6 grinder that the coach is overplaying, as he is bound to do.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 8 @ 11:09 PM ET
Of course he did LOL. He played better the previous game also LOL. Poehling made some offensive plays tonight. So did Frost. What evidence do you have that Poehling played better than Frost? Poehling is just another grinder that Tortorella can overplay.
- MJL

Last post of the night. That's right, Poehling grinds and plays hard each and every shift, that is why he played about 4-5 more minutes tonight than Frost.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 11:09 PM ET
Its 11pm and I just don't have the energy to argue with you. I will give you one thing over me, your stamina and ability to argue is second to none.
- jd250


The knowledge is what you lack. Your level of ignorance in the sport of hockey for someone who is so invested in it, is second to none.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 11:10 PM ET
Last post of the night. That's right, Poehling grinds and plays hard each and every shift, that is why he played about 4-5 more minutes tonight than Frost.
- jd250


He has been playing the minutes he has because this coach loves his grinders. It's a big part of why Tortorella hasn't won spit in almost 20 years as a coach.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 11:17 PM ET
Torts didn't say much in his post game, and then just left before the final question. He is upset with the way the team played, and so am I. The Bruins had a 4-0 lead against Vancouver at home tonight, but they didn't coast. They didn't try to score more goals, but they also didn't just sit back and watch the other team play either. There is a difference between coasting with a lead (which at this level is a VERY dangerous thing to do) and playing sound hockey with the lead. The Bruins tonight played sound hockey and shut Vancouver out. The Flyers hung on thanks to Ersson. Two very different things, but then again I would not expect you to really see the difference.
- jd250


This is where your ignorance comes in. I'll attempt to teach you something here. The NHL season is 82 games long and it is a brutal grind. The Flyers in order to compete, have been playing at a playoff level of intensity since the beginning of the season. They need to in order to compete. The Flyers players instinctively know that they can't keep that up all season. They ran out of gas before the all star break. They aren't good enough to play without that level of intensity. So they coasted. Top teams due to their higher quality of players and talent, can play structured hockey without playoff level intensity and still play at a high level. The Flyers can't.
It's not that I don't recognize the difference between the two situations, as you asininely state. It's that I recognize and understand why the Flyers played as they did after getting up 4-0. They're hoping to survive the regular season with some gas in the tank for the stretch. Here endeth the lesson.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 8 @ 11:22 PM ET
He has been playing the minutes he has because this coach loves his grinders. It's a big part of why Tortorella hasn't won spit in almost 20 years as a coach.
- MJL
Yeah, so true. That's why he has the second most wins (behind Lavy) by an American born coach in the NHL.
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