It's pretty obvious isn't it? A 70 point forward who is going to have UFA leverage. Do you think he's going to take less than 8 years in a contract? When he'll easily get that term in free agency.
- MJL

Don't know until I see it.

LOL, re-signing Konecny is a mistake. He is a pretty good player but he is not the player you think he is. Plays Flyer hockey! He's a leader. Face of the team. You sound like a fool. When have you even been right about anything?

- MJL

Why is it a mistake? Because we won’t have the cap room? Because we’ll likely give him a.m NTC? I think they can re sign him and deal him if need be. As I mentioned, I don’t think the plan is to go into a 10 year rebuild. If it is, should we also jettison Farabee? Brink? Drysdale? York? Tk isnt 35.

I just don’t see that no one on the current roster fits the plan to be in the contention window.

Don't know until I see it.
- WhiskeyMan

It's a guarantee.

Why is it a mistake? Because we won’t have the cap room? Because we’ll likely give him a.m NTC? I think they can re sign him and deal him if need be. As I mentioned, I don’t think the plan is to go into a 10 year rebuild. If it is, should we also jettison Farabee? Brink? Drysdale? York? Tk isnt 35.
- Hextall271

They should trade him for future assets. The Flyers are decently deep in good forwards. They have Michkov coming. They shouldn't commit to an 8 year high cap hit deal for Konecny. He's a 70 point player, which is a pretty good player but he is not a player, with the position the team is in that they should re-sign to that kind of deal. It should be at least a 5 year rebuild. Save the cap space and flexibility for elite level players. This team isn't going anywhere without that. Unless they're young and 25 or under. Don't commit to 8 years deals for wingers.

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Rebuild over...I have been a fan since March of 1980, and I am getting so tired of the same mistakes happening over and over. Signing TK is a mistake...he is a decent forward, but not an 8 year contract player, and I am sure he will be overpaid. Signing Seeler is not needed either. They never learn. The events that are unfolding with this team...I dunno....has me questioning if I am going to follow the team much longer. If this turns out to be true, I think I will officially lose what little faith I have left in the team.

I have been holding out, hoping they will make the right moves, the hard decisions, and really actually stick to a rebuild and doing things the right way. The right way does not seem to be the Flyers way. I am also disgusted with Briere's lies. He has lied constantly since he took office, so why should anyone take his comments on the rebuild seriously.
- TheFreak

more than willing to take a wait and see approach. Though I have not much faith in the 3 amigos.

There is no doubt the coach/GM1 wants to make the playoffs 100%. So what is he telling danny boy behind closed doors?

They do not have to move TK now, though I would unless the offers are just very bad. However it seems the flyers set a high asking for their players. Which tells me they are not that interested in moving said players.

to want to build around this group is just laughable to me.

Oh just stop with the hyperbole already ... please, you sound like a whiney little infant! It is absolutely the right thing to extend TK, he is the team's best player and clearly the heart and soul of this team. And he is STILL YOUNG and STILL HAS A HIGHER CEILING! TK is a leader and plays Flyers hockey, and he is exactly the type of player and person you want as the face of the team.

I am so tired of this crap from people on this forum, I really am! Extending TK in no way invalidates the stated goal of rebuilding this franchise to its former glory.

Now, what should have bothered you is the statement by Friedman that it will take a significant offer for the Flyers to trade Laughton. He is definitely a player I have seen enough of. It should take a good or fair offer to get rid of Laughton, not a significant one.
- jd250

Just to be clear. TK is 26. He turns 27 in March. He will be 28 at the end of his current deal. He will turn 29 in the first of his 8 years. So the contract will take him through age 37. Same exact age as Couturier when his contract expires.

Just adding perspective.

So if you believe TK will get 8 years in free agency, then I guess he is a pretty darn good player that is just coming into his prime? If so, why in the hell would the Flyers not extend him?
- jd250

Well technically, it would be 7 years as a ufa (CBA rules), but that 8th years is the Flyers bargaining chip.

Well technically, it would be 7 years as a ufa (CBA rules), but that 8th years is the Flyers bargaining chip.
- TheFreak

Good point.

Oh just stop with the hyperbole already ... please, you sound like a whiney little infant! It is absolutely the right thing to extend TK, he is the team's best player and clearly the heart and soul of this team. And he is STILL YOUNG and STILL HAS A HIGHER CEILING! TK is a leader and plays Flyers hockey, and he is exactly the type of player and person you want as the face of the team.

I am so tired of this crap from people on this forum, I really am! Extending TK in no way invalidates the stated goal of rebuilding this franchise to its former glory.

Now, what should have bothered you is the statement by Friedman that it will take a significant offer for the Flyers to trade Laughton. He is definitely a player I have seen enough of. It should take a good or fair offer to get rid of Laughton, not a significant one.
- jd250

the teams best player on a team not remotely good enough. Makes perfect sense in flyer land to extend. Plays flyers hockey baby. I agree, losing hockey. That's all TK knows. This is TK's best, do not see him having a higher ceiling at this juncture.

so what you gonna say when he is paid over 8 million per when you said he shouldn't be paid that much? what will be the spin then?

So if you believe TK will get 8 years in free agency, then I guess he is a pretty darn good player that is just coming into his prime? If so, why in the hell would the Flyers not extend him?
- jd250

he is in his prime, not just coming into it.

sanheim got 8 years.

They should trade him for future assets. The Flyers are decently deep in good forwards. They have Michkov coming. They shouldn't commit to an 8 year high cap hit deal for Konecny. He's a 70 point player, which is a pretty good player but he is not a player, with the position the team is in that they should re-sign to that kind of deal. It should be at least a 5 year rebuild. Save the cap space and flexibility for elite level players. This team isn't going anywhere without that. Unless they're young and 25 or under. Don't commit to 8 years deals for wingers.
- MJL

correct cliff, MM wont be here for 3 years. No need to extend TK. None at all for where the flyers are at.

Just to be clear. TK is 26. He turns 27 in March. He will be 28 at the end of his current deal. He will turn 29 in the first of his 8 years. So the contract will take him through age 37. Same exact age as Couturier when his contract expires.

Just adding perspective.
- MBFlyerfan

His age is the biggest reason for moving him, just like it would have been for Hart. They just don't fit the timeline of a true rebuild...we are multiple pieces away. He can help obtain a couple of those pieces.

Just to be clear. TK is 26. He turns 27 in March. He will be 28 at the end of his current deal. He will turn 29 in the first of his 8 years. So the contract will take him through age 37. Same exact age as Couturier when his contract expires.

Just adding perspective.
- MBFlyerfan

it does add perspective. My hope, is that if there is a great deal for TK, you move him. If not, I am ok with him staying, but the deal has to be good for both sides, he has to take somewhat of a HT discount. Will someone who could use TK have the assets to offer a great deal?

I assume the cap will be going up a decent bit going forward, I think the cap will be fine even with TK signed, I get both sides. On the side of signing, I am ok with it, as long as they try and move everything else that is not nailed down. Move Laughton, Seeler, RR, Walker, Staal, try to generate interest on whomever you can. End of the day, if they moved Walker and Laughton at TDL, that would be a good start.

If the team was in a legit rebuild, it is great fortune to have a player like TK to trade. The return would put the team in a great position to succeed.

But, rebuilding is not rebuilding in Flyer land. They like their guys. Bear witness this trade deadline. Asking prices will be high for their guys and if they don’t get it no moves will be made. Loaded for bear for the playoff push.

Elite talent will be acquired by ??? method somewhere down the line.

it does add perspective. My hope, is that if there is a great deal for TK, you move him. If not, I am ok with him staying, but the deal has to be good for both sides, he has to take somewhat of a HT discount. Will someone who could use TK have the assets to offer a great deal?

I assume the cap will be going up a decent bit going forward, I think the cap will be fine even with TK signed, I get both sides. On the side of signing, I am ok with it, as long as they try and move everything else that is not nailed down. Move Laughton, Seeler, RR, Walker, Staal, try to generate interest on whomever you can. End of the day, if they moved Walker and Laughton at TDL, that would be a good start.
- wcorvette

lol HT discount. why would he give them a HT discount? so they can continue their winning ways? better chance of an overpayment.

Plus he is better than Pasta
- corduroy

No one is better than pasta. Not even mcdavid!

If the team was in a legit rebuild, it is great fortune to have a player like TK to trade. The return would put the team in a great position to succeed.

But, rebuilding is not rebuilding in Flyer land. They like their guys. Bear witness this trade deadline. Asking prices will be high for their guys and if they don’t get it no moves will be made. Loaded for bear for the playoff push.

Elite talent will be acquired by ??? method somewhere down the line.
- StepfordSam

If that’s the rationale, then ideally you’d want to trade bee, York dry, brink foerster and all the younger players because you’d have to stop down the roster to ensure that you had very little talent for the next 10 year or so. That way you’d likely hit on a couple first overall to get the elite talent like the Edmonton and Buffalo s colorado pitt chi. of the world have done. Problem is, that’s not a guaranteed path either.

It's pretty obvious isn't it? A 70 point forward who is going to have UFA leverage. Do you think he's going to take less than 8 years in a contract? When he'll easily get that term in free agency.
- MJL

max he can get as a ufa is 7 years i thought.

His age is the biggest reason for moving him, just like it would have been for Hart. They just don't fit the timeline of a true rebuild...we are multiple pieces away. He can help obtain a couple of those pieces.
- TheFreak

Maybe we’ll get lucky and tk will be foung to have some skeletons in the closet as well and we won’t have to worry about it.

Seriously, do you think TK gets a teams number one sure fire likely superstar prospect? More likely he’ll get you a late first and maybe mid level prospect. Basically a lottery ticket to hope you hit on.

They should trade him for future assets. The Flyers are decently deep in good forwards. They have Michkov coming. They shouldn't commit to an 8 year high cap hit deal for Konecny. He's a 70 point player, which is a pretty good player but he is not a player, with the position the team is in that they should re-sign to that kind of deal. It should be at least a 5 year rebuild. Save the cap space and flexibility for elite level players. This team isn't going anywhere without that. Unless they're young and 25 or under. Don't commit to 8 years deals for wingers.
- MJL

So would you keep the guys I listed? Just wondering. The problem is that if they progress and develop too well then we may be bad but not bad enough to be amassing top 5 picks.

I keep expecting the pens to click and rattle
Off a ton of wins but it just doesn’t seem like the chemistry is there. They’ll add at the deadline but my god, they must not have any picks or prospects left in the system after years of doing this.
- Hextall271

It’s amazing how year after year how it feels like they bleed assets for unnecessary players year after year. Where are these prospects and picks coming from??

Maybe we’ll get lucky and tk will be foung to have some skeletons in the closet as well and we won’t have to worry about it.

Seriously, do you think TK gets a teams number one sure fire likely superstar prospect? More likely he’ll get you a late first and maybe mid level prospect. Basically a lottery ticket to hope you hit on.
- Hextall271

No, not expecting a Fantilli or Carlson level prospect, but I could see, for example, a Leonard or Smith type player coming back, with no first round pick involved. Not those players, as their teams aren't contenders, just an example.

The proven return for a scoring forward UFA at the deadline is a first, a prospect and a player.
Even Bertuzzi got a first and fourth round picks last year, as an injury prone player, turning UFA.

If the Flyers could get a first and a decent prospect, I would have to seriously look at that. TK plays a chippy game, and I doubt he is going to be very effective once his mid 30's roll around.

I would also see if LA was interested in Laughton or Seeler, and try to get Turcotte from them.

But I don't believe the Flyers are truly rebuilding, and think they will continue to fall over themselves as usual.

Well technically, it would be 7 years as a ufa (CBA rules), but that 8th years is the Flyers bargaining chip.
- TheFreak

Say it is 8 years, maybe for that type of cost certainty TK would take a lower AAV. Or maybe the Flyers give TK a higher AAV for less years. I'm sure there is a middle ground here that works for both sides. I agree signing a player like TK (who let's face it has had some injuries in his past) until age 36 or 37 would not be the best option for the Flyers. TK's current contract ends after next season. Maybe the Flyers extend him for 6 more after that at something close to $8M. I think that would be good for both sides. If some other team is willing to give him 8 years for more AAV, then Ok, the Flyers should let him go. But it's imperative both sides understand what they will accept now, so going into this off-season or next year's trade deadline, the Flyers have a plan in place.

So would you keep the guys I listed? Just wondering. The problem is that if they progress and develop too well then we may be bad but not bad enough to be amassing top 5 picks.
- Hextall271

Yes, I would keep the guys you listed. I'd listen to offers though.

If the team was in a legit rebuild, it is great fortune to have a player like TK to trade. The return would put the team in a great position to succeed.

But, rebuilding is not rebuilding in Flyer land. They like their guys. Bear witness this trade deadline. Asking prices will be high for their guys and if they don’t get it no moves will be made. Loaded for bear for the playoff push.

Elite talent will be acquired by ??? method somewhere down the line.
- StepfordSam

Agreed. And bonus points awarded for using Bear twice in one post, with two different meanings.