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roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Feb 10 @ 11:38 AM ET
At this point I don’t care if it’s 12/6 or 11/7. I agree all the defense outside of Staal should play and the alternative seems to be Nic D. If Walker moves at the deadline or if they choose to bring Brink back, they’ll be change soon enough.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 10 @ 12:15 PM ET
First, you have to actually DEVELOP one first. The Flyers either have no current prospects that have proven to be able to outplay Poehling (or haven’t been developed properly, but that’s another conversation). It’s not as easy as just just inserting someone from the AHL. They might not be good enough yet! No one has proven they are

Second, I feel you are under estimating Poehling’s skillset a bit. Yes, on a top team is he a 4th liner….sure, but he’s a a capable one. The dude can SKATE and he’s proven not only serviceable but dangerous on the PK.

I think he got a bit more than I would
Have paid him, but we’re talking a NEGLIGIBLE cap amount more. He’s worth far more than just a 4th round pick, and he’s better than any of our centers in the AHL.

- Wingdestroyer


Totally agree. The Flyers need some youth and stability on the 4th line.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 10 @ 12:23 PM ET
Yeah, the every other day schedule would suggest to me that you stay with the hot hand in Ersson. This is a very dumb decision IMO.
- Phillywhiteout


It's not dumb. Ersson is still a young goalie and a rookie. They have 3 games coming up against lesser opponents. The next two are against Seattle and Arizona. Petersen should get one of those games, doesn't matter which one. Probably should also play against Chicago next week. Can't just run Ersson into the ground.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 10 @ 12:29 PM ET
It's not dumb. Ersson is still a young goalie and a rookie. They have 3 games coming up against lesser opponents. The next two are against Seattle and Arizona. Petersen should get one of those games, doesn't matter which one. Probably should also play against Chicago next week. Can't just run Ersson into the ground.
- MJL
Agree to disagree. Ersson is a young goalie as you stated and thus he should be able to handle the workload. He is coming off two stellar performances, and if I was making the decisions I would be running with the hot hand and only have Petersen involved when there are back to backs. Every opponent is a worthy opponent for the Flyers cause they simply aren't good enough to look past anyone.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 10 @ 12:32 PM ET
It's not dumb. Ersson is still a young goalie and a rookie. They have 3 games coming up against lesser opponents. The next two are against Seattle and Arizona. Petersen should get one of those games, doesn't matter which one. Probably should also play against Chicago next week. Can't just run Ersson into the ground.
- MJL


I’d have played him vs Arizona or just waited til Chicago.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Feb 10 @ 1:02 PM ET
I don't mind the Poehling re-signing. He's still young and I think he can be a good 4th line center for this team. I just think they overpaid him a little.
- MJL


This is not directly at you, but the many many many comments that come rolling in every time someone needs an extension or is re-signed...

Why is there such a HUGE gap in pay between players? Obviously there should be a difference for the role and performance, but it seems strange that people are ok with the "going rate" for a 25 goal scorer is 6, 7 or 8 million then expect 4th liners to take 900k or 1 million. Then you have the hilarious part that seems like these "low paid" 4th liners take more heat then others.

Something doesn't add up or is consistent enough for me.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 10 @ 1:39 PM ET
Agree to disagree. Ersson is a young goalie as you stated and thus he should be able to handle the workload. He is coming off two stellar performances, and if I was making the decisions I would be running with the hot hand and only have Petersen involved when there are back to backs. Every opponent is a worthy opponent for the Flyers cause they simply aren't good enough to look past anyone.
- Phillywhiteout


Of course you disagree. That's because you are uninformed of the facts. First of all, by your standard, there are only two back to back situations left in this season. Which would mean that Petersen would only play two games the rest of the season. They need to protect him as the future possible full time starter and not run him into the ground. There is a difference between a worthy opponent and what I stated. Which is a lesser opponent. Meaning a team that is below the Flyers in the league standings. That is who Petersen should play against to keep Ersson fresh. Playing Petersen tonight is the correct call. Win or lose.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 10 @ 1:43 PM ET
This is not directly at you, but the many many many comments that come rolling in every time someone needs an extension or is re-signed...

Why is there such a HUGE gap in pay between players? Obviously there should be a difference for the role and performance, but it seems strange that people are ok with the "going rate" for a 25 goal scorer is 6, 7 or 8 million then expect 4th liners to take 900k or 1 million. Then you have the hilarious part that seems like these "low paid" 4th liners take more heat then others.

Something doesn't add up or is consistent enough for me.

- Glak18


I wouldn't expect Poehling to take a pay cut, as he was at 1.4M, which I think is a fair salary for him for what he brings. He was an RFA, offer him the same salary in a two year deal. If he doesn't take it, qualify him and leave it at that. If you consider him a 4th line center then the Flyers could potentially have 6M wrapped up in their 4th line. That's too much.


hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 10 @ 1:45 PM ET
Of course you disagree. That's because you are uninformed of the facts. First of all, by your standard, there are only two back to back situations left in this season. Which would mean that Petersen would only play two games the rest of the season. They need to protect him as the future possible full time starter and not run him into the ground. There is a difference between a worthy opponent and what I stated. Which is a lesser opponent. Meaning a team that is below the Flyers in the league standings. That is who Petersen should play against to keep Ersson fresh. Playing Petersen tonight is the correct call. Win or lose.
- MJL

conserve his energy.

is there any evidence he is not fresh? provide some please.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 10 @ 1:48 PM ET
I wouldn't expect Poehling to take a pay cut, as he was at 1.4M, which I think is a fair salary for him for what he brings. He was an RFA, offer him the same salary in a two year deal. If he doesn't take it, qualify him and leave it at that. If you consider him a 4th line center then the Flyers could potentially have 6M wrapped up in their 4th line. That's too much.
- MJL

you sure about that?
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 10 @ 1:58 PM ET
Agree to disagree. Ersson is a young goalie as you stated and thus he should be able to handle the workload. He is coming off two stellar performances, and if I was making the decisions I would be running with the hot hand and only have Petersen involved when there are back to backs. Every opponent is a worthy opponent for the Flyers cause they simply aren't good enough to look past anyone.
- Phillywhiteout


LHV ran him into the ground by overplaying him down the stretch last year...Bill has covered this multiple times in his blogs
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 10 @ 2:20 PM ET
conserve his energy.

is there any evidence he is not fresh? provide some please.

- hello it's me 2050


I can’t imagine he’s worn out. If anything his play after the 9 day break shows me he’s fresh and good to go. He was splitting time with Hart most of the year.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 10 @ 2:23 PM ET
Of course you disagree. That's because you are uninformed of the facts. First of all, by your standard, there are only two back to back situations left in this season. Which would mean that Petersen would only play two games the rest of the season. They need to protect him as the future possible full time starter and not run him into the ground. There is a difference between a worthy opponent and what I stated. Which is a lesser opponent. Meaning a team that is below the Flyers in the league standings. That is who Petersen should play against to keep Ersson fresh. Playing Petersen tonight is the correct call. Win or lose.
- MJL
Again, agree to disagree! We have a difference of opinion! And if Petersen sh!ts the bed tonight it will have been the WRONG call. Go with the hot hand cause every point is valuable now. Ersson is young and he certainly should have plenty of time to recover between starts. It's elementary really.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 10 @ 2:24 PM ET
LHV ran him into the ground by overplaying him down the stretch last year...Bill has covered this multiple times in his blogs
- TheFreak
It's the AHL. Sometimes they play 3 games in three nights. With the NHL schedule being what it is he should be able to handle it. Not to mention that they just came off a 9 day break. The situations are entirely different.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 10 @ 2:28 PM ET
Again, agree to disagree! We have a difference of opinion! And if Petersen sh!ts the bed tonight it will have been the WRONG call. Go with the hot hand cause every point is valuable now. Ersson is young and he certainly should have plenty of time to recover between starts. It's elementary really.
- Phillywhiteout


The results will not have any bearing on the decision. They have to play the backup in some games down the stretch. Not just the back to back games. It's a non conference, non division game. The next 3 games are all opportunities to give Ersson a break. Not saying that Petersen should play all 3.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Feb 10 @ 2:48 PM ET
Torts is using Cal exactly the way I had hoped
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Feb 10 @ 3:04 PM ET
Again, agree to disagree! We have a difference of opinion! And if Petersen sh!ts the bed tonight it will have been the WRONG call. Go with the hot hand cause every point is valuable now. Ersson is young and he certainly should have plenty of time to recover between starts. It's elementary really.
- Phillywhiteout


What if Ersson sh!ts the bed?
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Feb 10 @ 3:20 PM ET
Flyers are going to be oh so sorry they passed on Gabe Perrault. As a freshman he is the leading scorer in ppg at 1.65 in all of the NCAA. What a gift they gave the Rangers
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Feb 10 @ 3:20 PM ET
I wouldn't expect Poehling to take a pay cut, as he was at 1.4M, which I think is a fair salary for him for what he brings. He was an RFA, offer him the same salary in a two year deal. If he doesn't take it, qualify him and leave it at that. If you consider him a 4th line center then the Flyers could potentially have 6M wrapped up in their 4th line. That's too much.
- MJL


That seems to be the inconsistent part of salary demands for players, people selectively choose to use stats as their gage for some, others with potential then the rest with intangibles. Then try to validate that decision based off others as comparable that are also selectively rated.

It's easy to determine the high end consistent players and the bottom tier depth forwards, but all those players in the middle is what throws everything off.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Feb 10 @ 3:29 PM ET
Ha ha, how is Frost a slightly better finisher than Couts? The goal numbers certainly don't suggest that at all. I get articles from this group on my phone all the time for some reason and most of their suggestions are not all that intelligent.
- Phillywhiteout


The notifications are coming via an app. Perhaps they have a native app. In that case, you can disable it from sending notifications. Or it is coming via your phone browser. In that case, you can block the browser from sending such notifications in a site specific manner (allow some, ban others etc ). Just search "how to block notifications from a website on android/iphone"

It is also possible they are sending text alerts/email alerts. In such cases, each such message should have a STOP/unsubscribe option.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 10 @ 3:31 PM ET
Flyers are going to be oh so sorry they passed on Gabe Perrault. As a freshman he is the leading scorer in ppg at 1.65 in all of the NCAA. What a gift they gave the Rangers
- hfc355

have you even followed the development of Bonk?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 10 @ 3:32 PM ET
news on Bonk

https://thehockeynews.com...k-as-london-beats-windsor
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 10 @ 3:37 PM ET
That seems to be the inconsistent part of salary demands for players, people selectively choose to use stats as their gage for some, others with potential then the rest with intangibles. Then try to validate that decision based off others as comparable that are also selectively rated.

It's easy to determine the high end consistent players and the bottom tier depth forwards, but all those players in the middle is what throws everything off.

- Glak18


Anytime you're dealing with most players, the fans opinions are going to be subjective. For example some think Frost is a good player who just needs more ice time and others think he's not very good. He may be more polarizing as a player than others but that's part of it. Comparables are a good start. I also like to look at what leverage does a player have? Poehling as a role player and an RFA didn't have much leverage. So why the 500K raise for two years? Hard to say. I think the Flyers might see potential in Poehling to possibly be more than a 4th liner and are making that investment in the player. I agree that the middle tier are the hardest to judge.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 10 @ 3:38 PM ET
Flyers are going to be oh so sorry they passed on Gabe Perrault. As a freshman he is the leading scorer in ppg at 1.65 in all of the NCAA. What a gift they gave the Rangers
- hfc355


Bonk is tearing it up.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 10 @ 3:43 PM ET
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