Guys, I like Giroux. His effort and leadership is without question what this team needs.

How about this..... what realistic return would you accept for Giroux?

Example - and not saying this would ever happen, but what if it was Giroux + Forsberg to BOS for Jeremy Swayman (I will give one that is more realistic in terms of non divisional trade - just wanted to see how much value people have for Giroux. Do you see him as Palveski - playing very well into his late 30s at this point?)
- AlfieisKing

First off, unless Giroux asks for a trade, we aren't trading him. Secondly, I highly doubt that Boston trades a future starter to a future division rival (Ottawa). I think they can run both Ullmark and Swayman out again for many more years with the tandem sharing 50% of the games. They can afford both for $5 million a year, each. Good goaltending will carry a team a long way. They will have plenty of cap space next year even with re-signing Swayman, DeBrusk, Grezelcyk. The rest of their UFA's are easily replaced bit pieces. Maybe close to $10 million after the above re-sign.

Guys, I like Giroux. His effort and leadership is without question what this team needs.

How about this..... what realistic return would you accept for Giroux?

Example - and not saying this would ever happen, but what if it was Giroux + Forsberg to BOS for Jeremy Swayman (I will give one that is more realistic in terms of non divisional trade - just wanted to see how much value people have for Giroux. Do you see him as Palveski - playing very well into his late 30s at this point?)
- AlfieisKing

Giroux's value is 0. Why? Because he didn't sign in Ottawa to chase a cup. He signed in Ottawa to go home and has a full NMC. He will retire a senator. Guy doesn't give a poop about winning at this point.

So has anyone yet warmed up to the idea of a PLD sighting in Ottawa?

Would anyone do Norris straight up for PLD.

What about Chabot? Chychrun? Tarasenko? Batherson? Formenton?

Here is something I was thinking of earlier when the Russ et al were chatting about Parayko trade rumours.

If you were Ottawa, would you think about this ......

To Ottawa .... Parayko and a 2nd round pick. We pick up the 6 year term and the whole salary. And a 2nd round draft pick (maybe the Leaf's pick that went to St Louis). He would give us that long sought after RD, and at 6ft 6in ... not a mean player, but responsible and can put up some points. But St Louis gets a big chunk of long term salary off the books (Parayko will be 36 when that contract expires) but the $$$ amounts decline over time as well.

To St. Louis ..... Chychrun and Kubalik. St Louis has the 22nd ranked power play unit, so maybe a new look with Chychrun could help them out there.

The salary cap issues basically work out for both teams.
I know Parayko has a NTC that he would have to waive to come to Ottawa. St Louis could probably re-sign Chychrun and he is younger then Parayko.

Just got me thinking a bit.

WTF is this team doing. Trade Josh Norris !!!

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- spatso

Same guy who said Perry slept with Bedard's Mom. Sounds like his source is Ek.

Here is something I was thinking of earlier when the Russ et al were chatting about Parayko trade rumours.

If you were Ottawa, would you think about this ......

To Ottawa .... Parayko and a 2nd round pick. We pick up the 6 year term and the whole salary. And a 2nd round draft pick (maybe the Leaf's pick that went to St Louis). He would give us that long sought after RD, and at 6ft 6in ... not a mean player, but responsible and can put up some points. But St Louis gets a big chunk of long term salary off the books (Parayko will be 36 when that contract expires) but the $$$ amounts decline over time as well.

To St. Louis ..... Chychrun and Kubalik. St Louis has the 22nd ranked power play unit, so maybe a new look with Chychrun could help them out there.

The salary cap issues basically work out for both teams.
I know Parayko has a NTC that he would have to waive to come to Ottawa. St Louis could probably re-sign Chychrun and he is younger then Parayko.

Just got me thinking a bit.
- OttawaB

Could we trade Korpisalo ++(Thomson, Branstrom, McEwen, Kabalik) for Askarov from Nashville if they extend Saros. Or with a pick if need be, he might be a good option in goal if we can trade Tarasenko for a 1st to say NY or Pitt (and sign him back as UFA) and trade that first to Calgary + for MacKenzie Weegar who is an Ottawa kid and going good. We can re-sign Tarasenko back as a UFA if we need too. Chychrun loves it here and he would re-sign so not a hard sell to keep him here.

Could we trade Korpisalo ++(Thomson, Branstrom, McEwen, Kabalik) for Askarov from Nashville if they extend Saros. Or with a pick if need be, he might be a good option in goal if we can trade Tarasenko for a 1st to say NY or Pitt (and sign him back as UFA) and trade that first to Calgary + for MacKenzie Weegar who is an Ottawa kid and going good. We can re-sign Tarasenko back as a UFA if we need too. Chychrun loves it here and he would re-sign so not a hard sell to keep him here.
- Mike Brough

Other than for Tarasenko, it is probably too complex for the Sens to complete a significant trade deadline deal. On the other hand, they should be open for business this summer going into the draft.

Cap is going up a minimum of $4m but most teams will have to spend that much and often more in keeping their roster together.

Sens, have a $7m increase for Sanderson and around $3/4m for Pinto being added to payroll next year. They will drop Tarasenko ($5m), Kubalik ($2.5m) and they pick up another $7m in savings off of Matt Murray, Bobby Ryan, plus others. They get an $800k credit on the cap because of a wrinkle in the original Colin White contract and subsequent buy out.

So, Sens should have free balance of around $7m - $8m going into this summer.

The new guys appear to be a cautious and methodical group.

My guess is they will do very little other than housekeeping moves (eg Tarasenko) at the deadline. But when they finally get around to doing something, it will be a be this summer and it will be a blockbuster.

I don't see Jacques Martin continuing on as head coach next year. But I expect that he will have a huge say in who gets moved out and the kind of player that they want coming back.

The one year contract at $5m for Tarasenko is precious for every team headed into the playoffs. Most playoff bound teams do not have the cap space to offer him an extension for next year. But, my guess is he will exercise his no move right to insist on a deal with a team that will offer him an extension.

I do not see Tarasenko agreeing to a rental deal. He goes with an offer of an extension from the new team or he gets an extension from Ottawa or he stays and walks at the end of the season. Regardless of the outcome, Tarasenko has been a great UFA signing for the Sens.

I don't think there is a market for Kubalik, he will not be offered a contract or traded and will play out the string.

WTF is this team doing. Trade Josh Norris !!!
- AlfieisKing

Ottawa would need to attach a LOT of assets to convince any team to take on that contract

Seemed like a miss when they signed it, and it hasn’t aged well

Ottawa would need to attach a LOT of assets to convince any team to take on that contract

Seemed like a miss when they signed it, and it hasn’t aged well
- AxlRose91

Norris is a good player, young, with lots of talent.

He isn't worth 8m but 6.5m could be very reasonable if he scores 25-27g / 55p a season and is a strong 2-way player.

Hypothetical:

To San Jose: 20% of PLD, LAK 1st, and Sens pick/prospect
To Ottawa: Pierre Luc Dubois (6.8 cap hit)
To Los Angeles: Josh Norris

Norris is a good player, young, with lots of talent.

He isn't worth 8m but 6.5m could be very reasonable if he scores 25-27g / 55p a season and is a strong 2-way player.

Hypothetical:

To San Jose: 20% of PLD, LAK 1st, and Sens pick/prospect
To Ottawa: Pierre Luc Dubois (6.8 cap hit)
To Los Angeles: Josh Norris
- AlfieisKing

no team will take 7 years of retention and no thanks on PLD at any price

Colin White claimed on waivers by Montreal from Pittsburgh. 0 points on the year. Absolutely bonkers to think he would *still* be under contract for one more year at 4.75M on the deal Dorion signed him to after he scored 41(!!) points and went -24 playing alongside one of the finest defensive NHLers in Mark Stone. What a fall. To think Boeser and Konecny went in the next three spots... sigh.

Ottawa would need to attach a LOT of assets to convince any team to take on that contract

Seemed like a miss when they signed it, and it hasn’t aged well
- AxlRose91

Norris is the better player, but Dorion and centres.... this deal could be Colin White 2.0 and I am more than comfortable seeing him go if they can make it happen. Teams need centres and he's scored 35 goals before - it's not the most far fetched concept, but it will have to wait til the off-season as no contending team has cap space to take on 8M.

Could we trade Korpisalo ++(Thomson, Branstrom, McEwen, Kabalik) for Askarov from Nashville if they extend Saros. Or with a pick if need be, he might be a good option in goal if we can trade Tarasenko for a 1st to say NY or Pitt (and sign him back as UFA) and trade that first to Calgary + for MacKenzie Weegar who is an Ottawa kid and going good. We can re-sign Tarasenko back as a UFA if we need too. Chychrun loves it here and he would re-sign so not a hard sell to keep him here.
- Mike Brough

Any Korpo trade will have to be to a team that doesn't have a clear cut number one and doesn't already have a lot of money invested at the position. And they would have to be desperate. Sens wouldn't get much because he has no value right now.

Kings make sense.

There was a pretty unlikely suggestion on the Locked-On Senators podcast, but an intriguing one that given the extensive talk of Pittsburgh looking to change things up and get younger, that the Senators might take a run at re-acquiring Erik Karlsson. One possible (but obviously unlikely) option that just happens to balance out perfectly in terms of AAV (adding picks/prospects as needed), and hits a number of key points for both teams would be:

TO PIT: Norris, Brannstrom, Kubalik ($12.45M AAV)
TO OTT: Karlsson, Eller ($12.45M AAV)

Karlsson still makes a full $10.0M, but only for 3 seasons after this year (vs. 6 for Norris), and would certainly provide an upgrade at RHD and make a major impact on their 15.9% PP. Eller is also a very useful bottom-6 forward who can play C, has extensive PK experience, and is the kind of "knows how to play" depth forward Staios has been talking about for a while. Dubas also certainly had a "thing" for making trades with OTT, so who knows?

There was a pretty unlikely suggestion on the Locked-On Senators podcast, but an intriguing one that given the extensive talk of Pittsburgh looking to change things up and get younger, that the Senators might take a run at re-acquiring Erik Karlsson. One possible (but obviously unlikely) option that just happens to balance out perfectly in terms of AAV (adding picks/prospects as needed), and hits a number of key points for both teams would be:

TO PIT: Norris, Brannstrom, Kubalik ($12.45M AAV)
TO OTT: Karlsson, Eller ($12.45M AAV)

Karlsson still makes a full $10.0M, but only for 3 seasons after this year (vs. 6 for Norris), and would certainly provide an upgrade at RHD and make a major impact on their 15.9% PP. Eller is also a very useful bottom-6 forward who can play C, has extensive PK experience, and is the kind of "knows how to play" depth forward Staios has been talking about for a while. Dubas also certainly had a "thing" for making trades with OTT, so who knows?
- khawk

that would be a dumber trade than when OTT sent Ziby for Brassard or Gus for talbot, EK will be 34 in may ffs and havs a cap of 10M, this is how to destroy a team for the next 5+year 101.

that would be a dumber trade than when OTT sent Ziby for Brassard or Gus for talbot, EK will be 34 in may ffs and havs a cap of 10M, this is how to destroy a team for the next 5+year 101.
- Mithos

How much do you want to bet if I posted this on the PIT board, I'd be run off the page for being a Sens homer? Now, I'm not saying it's a great idea per se, but I'm curious as to how you view 3.5 years of Karlsson at $10M as being worse long-term than 6.5 years of Norris at $8M... especially when the top-4D is on pace to outscore the top-2C by ~20pts, one year removed from winning his 3rd Norris Trophy. As for Karlsson being 33, Giroux is already proof positive that a 36yo player can be the best player on the ice on many nights. Not to mention that Eller is a vastly more useful forward than Kubalik, and Brannstrom basically has no future with the team.

Any Korpo trade will have to be to a team that doesn't have a clear cut number one and doesn't already have a lot of money invested at the position. And they would have to be desperate. Sens wouldn't get much because he has no value right now.

Kings make sense.
- GrimmdaGoalie

The same kings that didn't want to pay him in the off season? The same kings that he cost them some games in the playoffs last year?

Honestly, Korpse is an off season move because of his term.

How much do you want to bet if I posted this on the PIT board, I'd be run off the page for being a Sens homer? Now, I'm not saying it's a great idea per se, but I'm curious as to how you view 3.5 years of Karlsson at $10M as being worse long-term than 6.5 years of Norris at $8M... especially when the top-4D is on pace to outscore the top-2C by ~20pts, one year removed from winning his 3rd Norris Trophy. As for Karlsson being 33, Giroux is already proof positive that a 36yo player can be the best player on the ice on many nights. Not to mention that Eller is a vastly more useful forward than Kubalik, and Brannstrom basically has no future with the team.
- khawk

the last 2 time OTT traded a young promising player for a geriatric one were total disasters for OTT.

EK is not even the type of Dman OTT needs, they need a zub 2.0 not another offensive dman that cannot defend.

Giroux has not had the types of injuries EK has, EK can crap out at any time in the next 3 years.

Norris looking good tonight. Need to remember he is coming off an extended injury. Maybe his cap hit is more than we would like. But, he is coming around. Overall the Sens top 9 has some nice balance in their goal to game ratio. Tkachuk 54/25; Giroux 54/18; Batherson 54/17; Norris 47/15; Tarasenko 52/15; Stuetzle 54/14; Joseph 44/10; Greig 44/9; Pinto 13/4.

the last 2 time OTT traded a young promising player for a geriatric one were total disasters for OTT.

EK is not even the type of Dman OTT needs, they need a zub 2.0 not another offensive dman that cannot defend.

Giroux has not had the types of injuries EK has, EK can crap out at any time in the next 3 years.
- Mithos

This logic only holds true if you still regard Norris as a young promising player vs. a potential $8Mx6yr cap liability. Not to mention that comparing Karlsson to Brassard/Talbot is fundamentally absurd. I would generally agree about the type of RHD they need, but many of the more feasible options are going to necessitate them giving too much money to a player in the >30 age range. Good teams can't be afraid of having a few veterans around at key positions.

Regardless, that trade is obviously more than a bit unlikely, so it doesn't really matter.

This logic only holds true if you still regard Norris as a young promising player vs. a potential $8Mx6yr cap liability. Not to mention that comparing Karlsson to Brassard/Talbot is fundamentally absurd. I would generally agree about the type of RHD they need, but many of the more feasible options are going to necessitate them giving too much money to a player in the >30 age range. Good teams can't be afraid of having a few veterans around at key positions.
- khawk

Norris is proving my point tonight.

thats is what chabot needs to do more, SHOOT, he has a hell of a shot

no team will take 7 years of retention and no thanks on PLD at any price
- Mithos

Agreed ... 7 years of salary retention is nonsense.