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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 13 @ 3:27 PM ET
agree with the rebuild comment.

I just dont like giving the bag before they show it or at least a little more than he has so far.

once they re-sign TK that will be 15 million tied up on 2 complimentary wingers. With still no elite players on the roster. Now if TK is traded I can tolerate the tippet contract

- hello it's me 2050


I might be in the minority but I would absolutely sell high on him.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 13 @ 3:28 PM ET
Interestingly, Frost is putting up points at a higher rate this year than last. (.604 ppg to .567 ppg)
- MBFlyerfan


Also interesting is that Farabee and Frost have scored at almost exactly the same rate under Torts but Frost has been healthy scratched 12 times compared to zero for Farabee.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...points&page=0&pageSize=50

They are also similar sized players with almost identical On-Ice EV GF% under Torts. And yet the moronic mouth breathers never female dog about Farabee being small, or bad defensively, or destined for Europe etc.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...ForPct&page=0&pageSize=50
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Feb 13 @ 3:29 PM ET
I might be in the minority but I would absolutely sell high on him.
- J35Bacher


Me too. The Flyers need assets and cap space to land that #1C and #1D.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Feb 13 @ 3:30 PM ET
Also interesting is that Farabee and Frost have scored at almost exactly the same rate under Torts but Frost has been healthy scratched 12 times compared to zero for Farabee.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...points&page=0&pageSize=50

They are also similar sized players with almost identical On-Ice EV GF% under Torts. And yet the moronic mouth breathers never female dog about Farabee being small, or bad defensively, or destined for Europe etc.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...ForPct&page=0&pageSize=50

- Feanor


I think Farabee got a pass last year due to the major surgery he had. He has been very good this season.

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 13 @ 3:37 PM ET
Also interesting is that Farabee and Frost have scored at almost exactly the same rate under Torts but Frost has been healthy scratched 12 times compared to zero for Farabee.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...points&page=0&pageSize=50

They are also similar sized players with almost identical On-Ice EV GF% under Torts. And yet the moronic mouth breathers never female dog about Farabee being small, or bad defensively, or destined for Europe etc.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...ForPct&page=0&pageSize=50

- Feanor

any good sanheim charts?
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Feb 13 @ 3:39 PM ET
agree with the rebuild comment.

I just dont like giving the bag before they show it or at least a little more than he has so far.

once they re-sign TK that will be 15 million tied up on 2 complimentary wingers. With still no elite players on the roster. Now if TK is traded I can tolerate the tippet contract

- hello it's me 2050


Absolutely agree with you. What if Michkov turns out to be the real deal? Could Drysdale turn out to be legit top pair guy? There's not a lot of wiggle room going forward. For a team void of elite talent, sure will be hard to get it and keep it.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Feb 13 @ 3:43 PM ET
The acquisition cost is minimal I am fine with it. Ideally someone like that would be acquired on a FA contract. Would not give a whole lot in terms of assets.
- mickel25


Agree on all.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Feb 13 @ 3:45 PM ET
I might be in the minority but I would absolutely sell high on him.
- J35Bacher


I don't think you're in the minority but I feel we as fand need to come to grips with Flyers not dealing him March 8th. Not while they are in the playoff hunt.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 13 @ 3:46 PM ET
I am not sure what would happen if we ever win the cup again. We'll probably start complaining about how it was won.. took too many games, our 3rd line center had too much ice time and a bad corsi..haha
- Hextall271


Well at least they won't riot like Vancouver would..lol
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Feb 13 @ 3:51 PM ET
Also interesting is that Farabee and Frost have scored at almost exactly the same rate under Torts but Frost has been healthy scratched 12 times compared to zero for Farabee.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...points&page=0&pageSize=50

They are also similar sized players with almost identical On-Ice EV GF% under Torts. And yet the moronic mouth breathers never female dog about Farabee being small, or bad defensively, or destined for Europe etc.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...ForPct&page=0&pageSize=50

- Feanor

Yea don’t let the neck surgery get in the way of skewing stats
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 13 @ 3:52 PM ET
There are people here that will be upset if Torts brings us a cup. Legit mad.
- anti-lame



I wouldn't be mad. I would be overjoyed that the Flyers won.

I don't wish ill will to the Flyers at all. I want them to win, and celebrate every victory, good or bad.

I just don't like Torts as a person. I think he's a prlck.

but I wouldn't be upset, plssed, or anything if the Flyers won. I might even have a beer to celebrate, and i don't drink.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Feb 13 @ 3:54 PM ET
Anthony Di Marco
@ADiMarco25
As the TD drawing closer, important to reiterate that Sean Walker is not a slam dunk to be moved. PHI will only move RHD if their ask is met - a 1st RD pick or a package similar in value (2nd RD+ prospect).


Will the Flyers price themselves out of the market? Odds of a quiet deadline up sharply.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 13 @ 4:07 PM ET
Well, we’re doing the multi point argument now and where these multi points came from. Dallas and Winnipeg are two bad examples seeing how neither team looked like they brought their A-Games, if we’d all like to recap those four games.

As for Morgan Frost’s 2 assists here, 2 assists there, goal and an assist games. All of this is great. Production is production. What people don’t seem to understand is, when you’re having a 26 points in 43 games type of season with many multiple point games. 17 games without a point if you have many multiple point games only goes up. The zero point game numbers rise and they rise by a lot.

So if you are going to make the multi point argument, you better look at the flip side of that coin.

- roenick97


But that doesn't mean he played poorly in each and every one of those games. It means he didn't register a point.

How many were shutouts? were nobody registered a point? How many of those games did Frost play well, set up others, who couldn't finish on golden opportunities? How many did he just play badly and deserved the critics? How many where at the beginning of the season when he was in and out of the lineup and getting his confidence rocked? How many PP minutes did he get in those games?

there are more factors than he just he didn't get a point.

It can be twisted any way anyone wants for their own thought patterns.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Feb 13 @ 4:07 PM ET
Anthony Di Marco
@ADiMarco25
As the TD drawing closer, important to reiterate that Sean Walker is not a slam dunk to be moved. PHI will only move RHD if their ask is met - a 1st RD pick or a package similar in value (2nd RD+ prospect).


Will the Flyers price themselves out of the market? Odds of a quiet deadline up sharply.

- StepfordSam


yeah this TDL will tell a lot about the true course of this team. The triumvirate are all saying rebuild, rebuild, rebuild. Not trading Walker is the exact opposite of a rebuild.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Feb 13 @ 4:10 PM ET
But that doesn't mean he played poorly in each and every one of those games. It means he didn't register a point.

How many were shutouts? were nobody registered a point? How many of those games did Frost play well, set up others, who couldn't finish on golden opportunities? How many did he just play badly and deserved the critics? How many where at the beginning of the season when he was in and out of the lineup and getting his confidence rocked? How many PP minutes did he get in those games?

there are more factors than he just he didn't get a point.

It can be twisted any way anyone wants for their own thought patterns.

- TheFreak


more phantom points lol

Frost leads the team in PP/60 (phantom points per 60)
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 13 @ 4:15 PM ET
Anthony Di Marco
@ADiMarco25
As the TD drawing closer, important to reiterate that Sean Walker is not a slam dunk to be moved. PHI will only move RHD if their ask is met - a 1st RD pick or a package similar in value (2nd RD+ prospect).


Will the Flyers price themselves out of the market? Odds of a quiet deadline up sharply.

- StepfordSam



I have a gut feeling they will be trying hard to move Risto by any means possible and resign Walker if they can.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Feb 13 @ 4:18 PM ET
I have a gut feeling they will be trying hard to move Risto by any means possible and resign Walker if they can.
- MBFlyerfan


Depending on the cost I would be ok with that. I just think they will need to eat salary for four more years and still offer an asset to get someone to take him. I would wait two more years at least.

But who knows. Maybe a GM out there likes Risto.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Feb 13 @ 4:21 PM ET
Anthony Di Marco
@ADiMarco25
As the TD drawing closer, important to reiterate that Sean Walker is not a slam dunk to be moved. PHI will only move RHD if their ask is met - a 1st RD pick or a package similar in value (2nd RD+ prospect).


Will the Flyers price themselves out of the market? Odds of a quiet deadline up sharply.

- StepfordSam

Always thought it was possible. Never thought it would be a guarantee. If they don’t trade Walker, it would surprise me in the least.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 13 @ 4:22 PM ET
more phantom points lol

Frost leads the team in PP/60 (phantom points per 60)

- anti-lame


The point is, he played well, and set the guys up..he did his job. They didn't finish..how is that his fault?
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Feb 13 @ 4:22 PM ET
I have a gut feeling they will be trying hard to move Risto by any means possible and resign Walker if they can.
- MBFlyerfan

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roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Feb 13 @ 4:27 PM ET
Whose question did Torts refuse to answer? They were gonna ask a Frost question and Torts shut them down right away. Next guy asked a Frost question and he answered him.

By the way, loved Torts’ response. No question Frost played a great game yesterday but to say he’s played well all season and has driven play more than anyone dating back to last season, I disagree. If this is true, the bar isn’t very high for a low offensive team.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 13 @ 4:28 PM ET
Anthony Di Marco
@ADiMarco25
As the TD drawing closer, important to reiterate that Sean Walker is not a slam dunk to be moved. PHI will only move RHD if their ask is met - a 1st RD pick or a package similar in value (2nd RD+ prospect).


Will the Flyers price themselves out of the market? Odds of a quiet deadline up sharply.

- StepfordSam

the coach/gm1 said this the other day.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Feb 13 @ 4:32 PM ET
Whose question did Torts refuse to answer? They were gonna ask a Frost question and Torts shut them down right away. Next guy asked a Frost question and he answered him.

By the way, loved Torts’ response. No question Frost played a great game yesterday but to say he’s played well all season and has driven play more than anyone dating back to last season, I disagree. If this is true, the bar isn’t very high for a low offensive team.

- roenick97


AntSan for the whole "Hayes is to blame for Cutter not wanting to be here"






anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Feb 13 @ 4:36 PM ET
the coach/gm1 said this the other day.
- hello it's me 2050


If somehow by the grace of god you can move Risto at the deadline I wouldn't be against resigning Walker if the price was right, max 2 years. Seeler/Walker would be a good third pair. That gives you a Sanheim/York/Drysdale/Zamula as your top 4.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 13 @ 4:41 PM ET
If somehow by the grace of god you can move Risto at the deadline I wouldn't be against resigning Walker if the price was right, max 2 years. Seeler/Walker would be a good third pair. That gives you a Sanheim/York/Drysdale/Zamula as your top 4.
- anti-lame

asl yourself this question. Why would walker take 2 years heading into F/A after the year he has had so far?

He won't as this is his last big contract more than likely. He would be signed already if he would take 2 years.
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