Well they need a back up goalie without Hart, so maybe Frost can do that as well.

SMH at what people expect. He is scoring more points than anyone on the team right now, using his body, using his speed...he drew 3 penalties last night..well 2 penalties and a penalty shot.....he is blossoming right in front of our eyes, and people on here are still finding a reason to nitpik his game. There are far worse things happening on the Flyers than Frost.
- TheFreak

He blossomed last year but the idiot coach after two games decided it was time to start scratching him. If it wasn't for idiotic coaching by both Yeo and Tortorella, I believe that Frost would be among the top Flyers scorers with more production. They just need to leave the kid alone and let him play.

Tippett has been scoreless in 25 games
Farabee has been scoreless in 23 games
Konecny has been scoreless in 20 games
Couturier has been scoreless in 22 games
Atkinson has been scoreless in 33 games
Foerster has been scoreless in 34 games
Poehling has been scoreless in 37 games
Laughton has been scoreless in 34 games
- MJL

Thanks, amazing where they are in the standings with this.

I really wasn't being critical. I gave him accolades for getting better at the faceoff dot and he actually had a physical element to his game last night. However, he only has 9 goals on the season and this team needs more from him in that category on a team that struggles to score.
- Phillywhiteout

Out of these 3 players, Konecny, Cates and Frost. Rank them in terms of physical play?

Voracek didn't play with fire? Seriously?
- MJL

No he didn't. If you think he did then you just need to reevaluate your ability to assess the game of hockey. He could have been so much more if he only engaged more often. We can totally agree to disagree here cause I ain't budging on this one. Thanks!

Out of these 3 players, Konecny, Cates and Frost. Rank them in terms of physical play?
- MJL

TK, Frost and Cates.

But they aren't going to pay him 11 million. 9.5 is quite a difference.

With the cap going up pretty significantly, people need to realize the new reality where contracts will be going. The MAX contract is 16.7

So 9.5 in comparison is not even close.
- MBFlyerfan

But $9.5 is still over 10% of the total cap ceiling. I don't think TK is worth investing 10% of the total cap for the foreseeable future. The 25/26 season is expected to be around $92 million at the cap ceiling, is the cap in 2027 going to go up $3+ million again? That would be over $11 million in salary ceiling cap raises in just over just 3 years.

At another $3 million in cap hikes for 2027 would put the cap at $95 million. So TK would be at 10% of the cap in his second year of the contract.

I don't think this is going to be workable, even with the cap jumping over 14% in just 3 years.

Fact of the Day:

Ryan Ellis has made more money per game played than McDavid.

I’ve been very pleased with his play of late. Driving play. Good passes and when he’s on the ice the team seems to always be a threat to score. I’d be boosting his ice time.
- Hextall271

Frost has been very good. For me it feels like an every other game thing. Frost has pointless games. Getting an assist only requires being the last or second last player to touch the puck before the scorer throws it into the net. Let’s not act like Frost doesn’t go pointless or go unnoticed. Let’s not act like Frost doesn’t have unforced turnovers. He’s not a bad player by any means but he’s not consistent. He’s not awesome every single night.

No he didn't. If you think he did then you just need to reevaluate your ability to access the game of hockey. He could have been so much more if he only engaged more often. We can totally agree to disagree here cause I ain't budging on this one. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

LOL, he was a top 5 NHL scorer and he was 2nd in the NHL in assists in 14/15. 13th in scoring and 4th in the NHL in assists in 17/18. He was one of the top NHL assist players for a decade. He had his flaws but to say he didn't play with intensity is asinine. Some of you guys crack me up. I don't care if you don't budge.

Certainly can't trade Laughton now. He is playing well. Can't sell high on a player.

So that leaves...Walker. But he played pretty well last night too. I'd like the extra defense for the playoff run.

Frost has been very good. For me it feels like an every other game thing. Frost has pointless games. Getting an assist only requires being the last or second last player to touch the puck before the scorer throws it into the net. Let’s not act like Frost doesn’t go pointless or go unnoticed. Let’s not act like Frost doesn’t have unforced turnovers. He’s not a bad player at any means but he’s not consistent. He’s not awesome every single night.
- roenick97

So does every single player that ever played the game of hockey.

LOL, he was a top 5 NHL scorer and he was 2nd in the NHL in assists in 14/15. 13th in scoring and 4th in the NHL in assists in 17/18. He was one of the top NHL assist players for a decade. He had his flaws but to say he didn't play with intensity is asinine. Some of you guys crack me up. I don't care if you don't budge.

- MJL

And he was still a country clubber that took many nights off. He COULD have been so much more if he had the fire that TK has. Yep, not budging! you keep talking about points. How many goals did he have? That number could have been much higher if he went to the net more. That's a fact Jack!

TK, Frost and Cates.
- Phillywhiteout

Hits per 60

Frost 2.86
Konecny 2.58
Cates 2.45

For reference
Farabee 2.80
Couturier 1.58

But $9.5 is still over 10% of the total cap ceiling. I don't think TK is worth investing 10% of the total cap for the foreseeable future. The 25/26 season is expected to be around $92 million at the cap ceiling, is the cap in 2027 going to go up $3+ million again? That would be over $11 million in salary ceiling cap raises in just over just 3 years.

At another $3 million in cap hikes for 2027 would put the cap at $95 million. So TK would be at 10% of the cap in his second year of the contract.

I don't think this is going to be workable, even with the cap jumping over 14% in just 3 years.
- TheFreak

He isn't worth it. That isn't my point and never was. I'm saying that is what he will get as a UFA with B2B 30 plus goal seasons.

But $9.5 is still over 10% of the total cap ceiling. I don't think TK is worth investing 10% of the total cap for the foreseeable future. The 25/26 season is expected to be around $92 million at the cap ceiling, is the cap in 2027 going to go up $3+ million again? That would be over $11 million in salary ceiling cap raises in just over just 3 years.

At another $3 million in cap hikes for 2027 would put the cap at $95 million. So TK would be at 10% of the cap in his second year of the contract.

I don't think this is going to be workable, even with the cap jumping over 14% in just 3 years.
- TheFreak

Exactly, not sure why people keep forgetting about the percent of the cap a salary taking up is more important than the raw number.

10% of the cap, that player better be DAMN good and backing it up every year.

So does every single player that ever played the game of hockey.
- TheFreak

He's not awesome every single night!

Hits per 60

Frost 2.86
Konecny 2.58
Cates 2.45

For reference
Farabee 2.80
Couturier 1.58
- MJL

Big deal with your numbers. TK's hits are more impactful. Not all hits are created equal. Did you see that hit that TK had in the third period last night. I think TK is a more physical player than Frost and he has 46 hits to Frost's 32 hits.

Hits per 60

Frost 2.86
Konecny 2.58
Cates 2.45

For reference
Farabee 2.80
Couturier 1.58
- MJL

Hits is not the only barometer for if someone play’s physically. That’s a poor representation. TK plays a much more physical brand of hockey than frost

I see some on here still cannot give the coach credit where it's due.

Frost looked avg at best before the last benching. He was not moving his legs. Had a meeting with the coach after being benched and now is playing like a #1 Center. He has been outstanding and providing value that this org so desperately needs. I would agree benching him for 5 plus games is a mistake, but Torts deserves credit for his current level of play. The proof is on the ice and in Frosts own comments. The player admitted that benching was a wake up call and his play was not good enough. He admitted it. The player admitted the discussion with the coach was beneficial. The coach admitted he likes the player and that the discussion was beneficial. What else do you need to see to at least give the coach a little credit here? I would also ask some to look at the Flyers roster at the forward position for the first half of last year. At times they had 5 healthy forwards. 5. So no one was really playing with talent. He did spend time on the 4th line, but when his legs were moving, he moved up in the lineup. The coach aint perfect, but the proof is on the ice with Frost since his discussion with the coach.

I agree benching players intentionally in front of their families is bush league, but other than that I have zero complaints. The proof is on the ice and the maturation of their youth.

And he was still a country clubber that took many nights off. He COULD have been so much more if he had the fire that TK has. Yep, not budging! you keep talking about points. How many goals did he have? That number could have been much higher if he went to the net more. That's a fact Jack!

- Phillywhiteout

My bigget criticism of Voracek was that he wouldn't shoot enough and always looked for the pass. He had a nice shot when he used it. Always thought he could have been a 35 goal scorer if shot more, instead of passing up a sure goal for a pass.

Frost has been very good. For me it feels like an every other game thing. Frost has pointless games. Getting an assist only requires being the last or second last player to touch the puck before the scorer throws it into the net. Let’s not act like Frost doesn’t go pointless or go unnoticed. Let’s not act like Frost doesn’t have unforced turnovers. He’s not a bad player by any means but he’s not consistent. He’s not awesome every single night.
- roenick97

No one should expect him to put up points every night. It's not inconsistent effort. It is just that he is not a top line player.

He does not show emotion so folks think his effort is inconsistent.

I hate to rain on everyone's parade but the PP is going to end up costing us wins down the stretch. Almost did last night. 0-8 against a mediocre PK. Arizona did pressure the top of the PP pretty aggressively but I didn't see a lot of positives on the PP.

Big deal with your numbers. TK's hits are more impactful. Not all hits are created equal. Did you see that hit that TK had in the third period last night. I think TK is a more physical player than Frost and he has 46 hits to Frost's 32 hits.
- Phillywhiteout

So now making a hit is based on how impactful the hit is?

he's playing the body...again, why is this something to be complaining about?

My bigget criticism of Voracek was that he wouldn't shoot enough and always looked for the pass. He had a nice shot when he used it. Always thought he could have been a 35 goal scorer if shot more, instead of passing up a sure goal for a pass.
- TheFreak

Mainly because he didn't have a very good shot.

Hits is not the only barometer for if someone play’s physically. That’s a poor representation. TK plays a much more physical brand of hockey than frost
- ClaudeFather

I agree to a point. I don't think Konecny is more physical than Frost. Konecny just does a lot of chirping and gets involved in a lot of scrums. I'm talking about play between the whistles. What it shows is that again, there are a lot of misconceptions about Frost with his detractors.