I agree to a point. I don't think Konecny is more physical than Frost. Konecny just does a lot of chirping and gets involved in a lot of scrums. I'm talking about play between the whistles. What it shows is that again, there are a lot of misconceptions about Frost with his detractors.
- MJL

So TK "efforts" harder than Frost?

Big deal with your numbers. TK's hits are more impactful. Not all hits are created equal. Did you see that hit that TK had in the third period last night. I think TK is a more physical player than Frost and he has 46 hits to Frost's 32 hits.
- Phillywhiteout

Prove that his hits are more impactful. Provide some facts to support that.

Do you understand how hits per 60 works. If you did, you wouldn't have made your last statement.

I see some on here still cannot give the coach credit where it's due.

Frost looked avg at best before the last benching. He was not moving his legs. Had a meeting with the coach after being benched and now is playing like a #1 Center. He has been outstanding and providing value that this org so desperately needs. I would agree benching him for 5 plus games is a mistake, but Torts deserves credit for his current level of play. The proof is on the ice and in Frosts own comments. The player admitted that benching was a wake up call and his play was not good enough. He admitted it. The player admitted the discussion with the coach was beneficial. The coach admitted he likes the player and that the discussion was beneficial. What else do you need to see to at least give the coach a little credit here? I would also ask some to look at the Flyers roster at the forward position for the first half of last year. At times they had 5 healthy forwards. 5. So no one was really playing with talent. He did spend time on the 4th line, but when his legs were moving, he moved up in the lineup. The coach aint perfect, but the proof is on the ice with Frost since his discussion with the coach.

I agree benching players intentionally in front of their families is bush league, but other than that I have zero complaints. The proof is on the ice and the maturation of their youth.
- 26912 PP1

Tortorella set Frost back both in 22/23 by playing him on the 4th line and in 23/24 by asininely scratching Frost. That's the bottom line. Tortorella doesn't deserve any credit and he certainly doesn't like the player.

My opinion, Torts mishandled Frost 100%. He is lucky that Frost is blossoming. Frost is proving himself to be a legit middle six center despite the coach.
- Michel25

IMO, Frost is blossoming because of Torts, not in spite of him.

IMO, Frost is blossoming because of Torts, not in spite of him.
- jd250

Frost would be a better player now if it wasn't for Tortorella and Yeo.

No one should expect him to put up points every night. It's not inconsistent effort. It is just that he is not a top line player.

He does not show emotion so folks think his effort is inconsistent.
- mickel25

You’re absolutely right. Nobody should be expected to put up points every night but was he driving play early in the season like he is now. I would argue that Frost wasn’t. So who deserves credit for lighting a fire under him? The overall picture of his point production though isn’t that impressive when you look at his 43 games on the season, so some hav to look at his last 13 games.

Tortorella set Frost back both in 22/23 by playing him on the 4th line and in 23/24 by asininely scratching Frost. That's the bottom line. Tortorella doesn't deserve any credit and he certainly doesn't like the player.
- MJL

and when does the player get credit, instead of the coach for his play? I just wonder where Frost would be if he had the security last year and earlier this year that he was playing. Confidence is huge in this game..you hear it all the time..he's squeezing his stick when a player is in a drought. What Torts did was screw with Frost's confidence, which set the player back. Frost could have been playing at this level all season if the coach just let him play. It's not like he no showed the preseason either..he was the leading scorer in the preseason.

You’re absolutely right. Nobody should be expected to put up points every night but was he driving play early in the season like he is now. I would argue that Frost wasn’t. So who deserves credit for lighting a fire under him? The overall picture of his point production though isn’t that impressive when you look at his 43 games on the season, so some hav to look at his last 13 games.
- roenick97

I think if you look at the fancy stats he was driving play 5 on 5 for the last season and a half.

Torts sitting Frost the way he did was dumb, period.
- wcorvette

I didn't like Frost being sat even 1 game this year, but it happened and look at how the kid is playing now. I have never met Frost, but from his interviews he seems to me to a be a quiet, unassuming, almost timid kid. I trust Torts and feel confident he knows how to get the most out of his players, and certainly Frost last night played the best game I have seen him play in two years.

and when does the player get credit, instead of the coach for his play? I just wonder where Frost would be if he had the security last year and earlier this year that he was playing. Confidence is huge in this game..you hear it all the time..he's squeezing his stick when a player is in a drought. What Torts did was screw with Frost's confidence, which set the player back. Frost could have been playing at this level all season if the coach just let him play. It's not like he no showed the preseason either..he was the leading scorer in the preseason.
- TheFreak

It's just amazing that after what Frost did in 22/23, that after two sub par games to start a season, that he then starts a pattern of scratching Frost. That's just really bad coaching. While he gives other player a long, long leash. It's representative of and a big reason why Tortorella is not the right coach for a rebuild.

and when does the player get credit, instead of the coach for his play? I just wonder where Frost would be if he had the security last year and earlier this year that he was playing. Confidence is huge in this game..you hear it all the time..he's squeezing his stick when a player is in a drought. What Torts did was screw with Frost's confidence, which set the player back. Frost could have been playing at this level all season if the coach just let him play. It's not like he no showed the preseason either..he was the leading scorer in the preseason.
- TheFreak

Everything you posted here is wrong IMO. Sure confidence is important, but confidence comes from learning to play the game the right way, and Torts deserves 100% credit for teaching Frost, and many others on this team how to play the game the right way. I have zero doubt that Frost would not be able to play the type of game he played last night if it were not for Tort's coaching.

Everything you posted here is wrong IMO. Sure confidence is important, but confidence comes from learning to play the game the right way, and Torts deserves 100% credit for teaching Frost, and many others on this team how to play the game the right way. I have zero doubt that Frost would not be able to play the type of game he played last night if it were not for Tort's coaching.
- jd250

The factual information shows that Frost has been playing the game the right way going back to last season. The factual information shows that you're wrong. It's just rhetoric and fantasy with you. Ignoring the factual data.

So now making a hit is based on how impactful the hit is?

he's playing the body...again, why is this something to be complaining about?
- TheFreak

I'm not complaining. The other guy asked who I think is a more physical player and I think TK is a more physical player than Frost. That's all.

I agree to a point. I don't think Konecny is more physical than Frost. Konecny just does a lot of chirping and gets involved in a lot of scrums. I'm talking about play between the whistles. What it shows is that again, there are a lot of misconceptions about Frost with his detractors.
- MJL

Where are you with and without the puck, there’s many more ways to engage physically than to register a hit. And what kind of hit are you making, are you impacting the play or is the puck gone and frost is just bumping a guy. TK for example plastered a guy behind the net, that players thinking about that hit. Hits is an extremely poor singlular view here.

Where are you with and without the puck, there’s many more ways to engage physically than to register a hit. And what kind of hit are you making, are you impacting the play or is the puck gone and frost is just bumping a guy. TK for example plastered a guy behind the net, that players thinking about that hit. Hits is an extremely poor singlular view here.
- ClaudeFather

One hit doesn't determine who the more physical player is. Frost has had a couple of hits this season where he has plastered a player. Reality is that neither player is that physical of a player but the point is that Frost is on par with many players physically on this team. That Frost is not physical enough, is just another myth that surrounds him as a player. What's a extremely poor view is not providing any facts to support an opinion.

It's official! We now have to call the Flyers PP the "Power Kill" and the PK the "Penalty Play". Their PP is absolute dogsh!t. I think you have to actually try to go 0 for 8. The get more chances shorthanded. WTF?

One hit doesn't determine who the more physical player is. Frost has had a couple of hits this season where he has plastered a player. Reality is that neither player is that physical of a player but the point is that Frost is on par with many players physically on this team. That Frost is not physical enough, is just another myth that surrounds him as a player. What's an extremely poor view is not providing any facts to support an opinion.
- MJL

I don’t think frost isn’t physical enough, he’s not a physical player and that’s fine. Saying he’s more physical than TK because he has more hits per 60 is asinine.

I don’t think frost isn’t physical enough, he’s not a physical player and that’s fine. Saying he’s more physical than TK because he has more hits per 60 is asinine.
- ClaudeFather

I didn't say Frost was more physical than Konecny. What are you talking about?

It's just amazing that after what Frost did in 22/23, that after two sub par games to start a season, that he then starts a pattern of scratching Frost. That's just really bad coaching. While he gives other player a long, long leash. It's representative of and a big reason why Tortorella is not the right coach for a rebuild.
- MJL

Hmmm ... bad coaching huh? So Torts took a 61 point team and got them to 75 points last and this year they are solidly in the playoffs and on pace for a 97 point season. A team that was picked pre-season to be on the bottom 5 of the league. But according to you, Torts is a bad coach. Can't make it up.

Hmmm ... bad coaching huh? So Torts took a 61 point team and got them to 75 points last and this year they are solidly in the playoffs and on pace for a 97 point season. A team that was picked pre-season to be on the bottom 5 of the league. But according to you, Torts is a bad coach. Can't make it up.
- jd250

LOL, context. What is the discussion about? What was labeled as bad coaching. See if you can figure it out.

Hmmm ... bad coaching huh? So Torts took a 61 point team and got them to 75 points last and this year they are solidly in the playoffs and on pace for a 97 point season. A team that was picked pre-season to be on the bottom 5 of the league. But according to you, Torts is a bad coach. Can't make it up.
- jd250

It’s not the way they need to be playing when they’re ready to win lol

The factual information shows that Frost has been playing the game the right way going back to last season. The factual information shows that you're wrong. It's just rhetoric and fantasy with you. Ignoring the factual data.
- MJL

But Frost hasn't consistently played the right way, that is the only fact that you want to ignore. How long have I said to you that Frost some nights is not noticeable? How many times have I said to you that Frost defers too much, should shoot more, drive more plays, not stay on the perimeter so much? Search your feelings you know this to be true! (Sorry, I just had to throw that in there) Torts came out the other day and again last night and said almost the exact same thing, i.e. when Frost attacks the center of the ice things open up for him to use his speed and skill, and that is exactly what I have seen from him not just last night, but in the past 3 or so games. If he can finally just do this consistently, we will never be talking about Frost being pulled from the lineup again. This is the way Frost has to play to be an effective player in this league. He is not TK as you have been arguing with others this morning. He is not going to agitate or kill penalties. He is a skill player that needs to play assertively all the time, not just some of the time, all the time!

Everything you posted here is wrong IMO. Sure confidence is important, but confidence comes from learning to play the game the right way, and Torts deserves 100% credit for teaching Frost, and many others on this team how to play the game the right way. I have zero doubt that Frost would not be able to play the type of game he played last night if it were not for Tort's coaching.
- jd250

No, you are wrong.

You could see him looking over his shoulder, his shoulders would drop when the other team scores, it was noticable that he was playing like a player who was afraid to make a mistake.

What did Torts teach him? Enlighten me? His scratching just caused friction, has divided a fan base over 1 player, and set his play back. What he needed to do was TRUST the player, and let him play. Show that he belongs through working with him on his deficiencies in practice and letting him play. Coach him up when a mistake is made during a game, talk to him on the bench. The approach Torts took was wrong, and he is lucky, in my opinion, that Frost has responded the way he has to every bit of controversy sent his way since he was in juniors.

LOL, context. What is the discussion about? What was labeled as bad coaching. See if you can figure it out.
- MJL

Nah .. sorry, not going to let you off the hook on this one. You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say Torts is getting the most out of this team, but on the other say he is mishandling Frost. Nope, sorry, doesn't work that way. Torts either is a good coach that gets the most out of his players or he isn't. All players are not the same, and thus you cannot coach them the same way. There are too many players on this team that have flourished under Torts for you to have any argument that how Frost has been coached is wrong. IMO, this is the coaching Frost has needed to get to the next level. Whether Frost can do it consistently is totally up to him.

Nah .. sorry, not going to let you off the hook on this one. You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say Torts is getting the most out of this team, but on the other say he is mishandling Frost. Nope, sorry, doesn't work that way. Torts either is a good coach that gets the most out of his players or he isn't. All players are not the same, and thus you cannot coach them the same way. There are too many players on this team that have flourished under Torts for you to have any argument that how Frost has been coached is wrong. IMO, this is the coaching Frost has needed to get to the next level. Whether Frost can do it consistently is totally up to him.
- jd250

Both things are true.