Scott Laughton does as much to win games for the Flyers as any player, yet I don't see the outrage from anyone on this forum that this year in 54 games Laughton is averaging less than 12 minutes of ice time per game, and he kills penalties.
- jd250

People are outraged of Laughton because his production disappeared before the last few games. They are out raged because he takes lazy penalties. They are outraged because they expect better.

Right, Frost is not a bad player, not by a long shot. But given the type of player he is and where he can best serve in a lineup, he has to play assertive, offensive hockey, and if he does he can be an effective player.
- jd250

You said he was an AHL talent - stop moving the goalposts

I swear we are the only fan base that can be winning, over performing, making the playoffs, and still be mad about everything

So how have guys like ND, Laughton, Atkinson, Poehling,Cates, etc, etc get more ice time than him?



He has played like that against teams like Tampa, Dallas and Winnipeg. Multi point nights, throwing a hit ir two, skating hard...this isn't a fluke.
- TheFreak

by doing what the coaches ask of them

If you were even a tad objective about Torts in general I'd consider your position, but you don't know the coach, at all. Judging by your comments you are lost in a time warp thinking Torts is Buddy Ryan. He is far more progressive than you give him credit for and the proof is on the ice. There is no greater factual data than the way they are playing on the ice right now and Frost is literally dancing with the puck. He was not doing that before his meeting. He just wasnt. Hate to burst your agenda bubble, but signs point back to the coach here. I dont want kids scratched in front of grandmom and I dont think scratching Frost for weeks at a time is the way to go, but he has never played better than the way he is playing right now. Also, its far different than last year when games meant 0. They are in a real playoff race right now and he is leading. Not too different than the way G started to evolve in 2011. The kid has turned the corner. There is a reason why he was not canned when Jones and Briere took over.
- 26912 PP1

There's something missing in your post. It is completely absent of any facts. NHL games, especially for young players trying to make their way in the league. Never mean zero. I can't take you seriously. Come back to me with some facts instead of rhetoric and unsubstantiated opinion.

He will get paid most definitely and it will be market rate. What scares me is the 8-year term. Paying him and Couturier around $18MM will into their 30's does not bode well. Yes, I know that these contracts sometimes age well, but now we will have to have two of them age well....
- mr4tno

The possible 8 years is the problem. I would take 5 years at 10-10.5aav. Trade the cap space for less years. I seriously doubt that will happen but at least we could live with it.

I swear we are the only fan base that can be winning, over performing, making the playoffs, and still be mad about everything
- nails

True..lol

Oh my goodness, what am I going to do? Lol

The list of players that Tortorella has mishandled include Frost, York, Cates, Zamula and Brink. He has devalued players such as Hayes and Angelo.
- MJL

Lol wow.

You have zero ability to assess anything in the game of hockey. 😂

by doing what the coaches ask of them
- bradster

So Atkinson was asked to disappear for 20 games, take a string of poorly timed penalties, and just be a liability all over the ice? Ok.

People are outraged of Laughton because his production disappeared before the last few games. They are out raged because he takes lazy penalties. They are outraged because they expect better.
- WhiskeyMan

and this is why laughton has been a career 3rd 4th liner not that there's anything wrong with his role

Scott Laughton does as much to win games for the Flyers as any player, yet I don't see the outrage from anyone on this forum that this year in 54 games Laughton is averaging less than 12 minutes of ice time per game, and he kills penalties.
- jd250

That's because you don't seem to grasp that it's about re-building. Laughton is 29 years old and a veteran player. The simplest things need to be explained to you.

Lol wow.

You have zero ability to assess anything in the game of hockey. 😂
- anti-lame

torts hasn't mishandled york at all he's only getting better and better he's still young and of course will still make mistakes he'll be in his prime once the flyers are going to be contenders

I swear we are the only fan base that can be winning, over performing, making the playoffs, and still be mad about everything
- nails

100%, lots dont like torts, so look to complain, even if he has us above expectations and has brought out the best in Frost. Oh hes playing ND, isnt playing frost. Bottom line is he is getting the locker room where it needed to be after the mess with G and Jake running the show. Torts is doing well for our lack of talent. I dont agree with everything he does, but look at the overall picture and he is overachieving

So Atkinson was asked to disappear for 20 games, take a string of poorly timed penalties, and just be a liability all over the ice? Ok.
- TheFreak

i dont know what cam has been asked.

I swear we are the only fan base that can be winning, over performing, making the playoffs, and still be mad about everything
- nails

I am not sure what would happen if we ever win the cup again. We'll probably start complaining about how it was won.. took too many games, our 3rd line center had too much ice time and a bad corsi..haha

Ice time is earned, not given. Frost has to earn his ice time like everyone else on the team. Frost is not the only player to be benched this year or last year. Frost is not the only player on the team that has played limited minutes. This crusade to save Frost from the tyrant is just laughable to me. If Frost plays well and helps the team win games, he will play and play a lot. For this to happen, he must play assertive consistently, attack the middle of the ice and not defer. If he does this, this crusade will be over. For me, I would like to see Frost look like he did last night against a team like the Bruins, or the Rangers. That is what I am missing from him so far.
- jd250

That's false. Frost has not been treated like everyone else on the team. He's been treated much differently.

Attacking the middle of the ice is your current pet phrase for criticizing Frost. Simply because you heard Tortorella say something so now you'll parrot that. You continue to be easily manipulated.

The last game Frost played against the Bruins, he played solidly. He had a 75 CF%. SCF% of 88.89% and a HDSC% of 100%. When he was on the ice, Boston only had 5 shot attempts and only one scoring chance. While the Flyers had 8 scoring chances and 5 high danger chances. He led the team with 3 individual scoring chances and 2 high danger individual scoring chances.

Frost was arguably the best forward for the Flyers in the Boston game. Yet he played less at 5 on 5 then Lycksell, Poehling and Foerster. So much for ice time being earned.

This again proves that you don't have a clue of what you're looking at.

I am not sure what would happen if we ever win the cup again. We'll probably start complaining about how it was won.. took too many games, our 3rd line center had too much ice time and a bad corsi..haha
- Hextall271

There are people here that will be upset if Torts brings us a cup. Legit mad.

Right, Frost is not a bad player, not by a long shot. But given the type of player he is and where he can best serve in a lineup, he has to play assertive, offensive hockey, and if he does he can be an effective player.
- jd250

Frost has been an effective player all season. He was an effective player for the majority of the previous season once he was given an opportunity. Which is all he needs.

100%, lots dont like torts, so look to complain, even if he has us above expectations and has brought out the best in Frost. Oh hes playing ND, isnt playing frost. Bottom line is he is getting the locker room where it needed to be after the mess with G and Jake running the show. Torts is doing well for our lack of talent. I dont agree with everything he does, but look at the overall picture and he is overachieving
- bradster

I would say the disgruntledness is more about human nature and less specifically about a player/coach etc
There was an expectation the team would be bad, assets moved in and out, player growth would happen.
Instead, success and winning is happening.
As fans we have trouble being happy with highly positive outcomes when highly negative outcomes were the lead pipe lock expectation. So there is internal agitation created by that discontinuity and it comes out as anger toward something instead of joy for over achieving

So Atkinson was asked to disappear for 20 games, take a string of poorly timed penalties, and just be a liability all over the ice? Ok.
- TheFreak

It's amazing the excuses the Frost detractors make. How they babble and make up fantasy when you confront them with the facts on the player. He has to play the right way. If you look at the facts, it's indisputable that he does and has been playing the right way.

That's false. Frost has not been treated like everyone else on the team. He's been treated much differently.

Attacking the middle of the ice is your current pet phrase for criticizing Frost. Simply because you heard Tortorella say something so now you'll parrot that. You continue to be easily manipulated.

The last game Frost played against the Bruins, he played solidly. He had a 75 CF%. SCF% of 88.89% and a HDSC% of 100%. When he was on the ice, Boston only had 5 shot attempts and only one scoring chance. While the Flyers had 8 scoring chances and 5 high danger chances. He led the team with 3 individual scoring chances and 2 high danger individual scoring chances.

This again proves that you don't have a clue of what you're looking at.
- MJL

The irony is I’ve never seen you use the word “parrot” like that until very recently - after I used it in a response to one of your silly posts

I am not sure what would happen if we ever win the cup again. We'll probably start complaining about how it was won.. took too many games, our 3rd line center had too much ice time and a bad corsi..haha
- Hextall271

Deathstar will destroy the planet before the final horn would sound

Right, Frost is not a bad player, not by a long shot. But given the type of player he is and where he can best serve in a lineup, he has to play assertive, offensive hockey, and if he does he can be an effective player.
- jd250

Well, we’re doing the multi point argument now and where these multi points came from. Dallas and Winnipeg are two bad examples seeing how neither team looked like they brought their A-Games, if we’d all like to recap those four games.

As for Morgan Frost’s 2 assists here, 2 assists there, goal and an assist games. All of this is great. Production is production. What people don’t seem to understand is, when you’re having a 26 points in 43 games type of season with many multiple point games. 17 games without a point if you have many multiple point games only goes up. The zero point game numbers rise and they rise by a lot.

So if you are going to make the multi point argument, you better look at the flip side of that coin.

There are people here that will be upset if Torts brings us a cup. Legit mad.
- anti-lame

really?

torts hasn't mishandled york at all he's only getting better and better he's still young and of course will still make mistakes he'll be in his prime once the flyers are going to be contenders
- 2Real

cliff said he has mis-hanlded york, brink, cates, and zamula

cliff only deals with facts. do not ever say otherwise.